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[RoadHazard]

I do wonder why some of you need ALL your games installed at once. Not saying you're wrong to want that, but I personally don't see the need. I only play 2-3 games at once, and reinstalling something doesn't take long (well, maybe if it's a 100+ GB COD game, but I don't play those).

 

[baphomet]

Well if you actually look at the teardowns you can see the area is enclosed and the fan doesn’t pull or give air to that area

why would I need to look at teardowns? I own one. it is cooled directly from the fan.

 

[Garani]

I know what you were implying, don't worry about that. I have an issue with the implications but yes, it would be off topic.

On this thread I am ok with the usual "we agree to disagree".

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Well, beginning of the June isn't Summer.

IIRC, wasn't that when the feature was supposed to be introduced? I'm just asking for some kind of communication about where things are.

 

[JeloSWE]

Who cares, I have no need for an internal M.2 drive at the moment.

Sigh!, these types of comments are just soo... Either you're ignorant and believe that if you don't have a problem, then no one else have one. Or you just want to instigate reactions because you are a lite troll.

The way you could have put it. "It's not a problem for me but yeah, they sure are lagging behind their promise."

 

[Garani]

Sigh!, these types of comments are just soo... Either you're ignorant and believe that if you don't have a problem, then no one else have one. Or you just want to instigate reactions because you are a lite troll.

There are times when people make an issue about nothing.

 

[Methos#1975]

I do wonder why some of you need ALL your games installed at once. Not saying you're wrong to want that, but I personally don't see the need. I only play 2-3 games at once, and reinstalling something doesn't take long (well, maybe if it's a 100+ GB COD game, but I don't play those).

Biggest reason is peace of mind, you never know when a game might get pulled and become undownloadable.

 

[GHG]

that's... not even remotely true...

Actually it is.

I'd suggest you read the following post:

Seagate PCIe4 next-gen storage event on 23rd June

Well good thing is they can do a system update down the road if they want to allow externals that support speeds needed. My guess is an updated Series X (Series Y?) will either support M.2 or USB ports that support external drives with fast enough read/write. I am surprised the console didn't...

www.neogaf.com

Have a look at the laptop benchmarks posted with the new phison e18 controller. Granted, that's from phison themselves so take with a pinch of salt, we will need to wait for some independent benchmarks before it can be 100% verified.

The corsair mp600 uses the old e16 controller that is notorious for heat issues when used continuously.

A lot of people don't realise this but the controller is the first point of failure on these drives in terms of what causes the heat (amd subsequent slow down) issues. The old e16 controller got very hot without heat sinks (there was a comprehensive reddit post that I read last year when I was shopping for a new SSD for my PC build at the time but I can't find it so this will have to do as a reference point for now regarding temperature):

Las SSD NVMe M.2 Gen4 sin disipador presentarían importantes problemas de rendimiento por temperatura

El disipador es fundamental en las unidades SSD NVMe M.2 Gen4, para evitar que se generen problemas térmicos y que caiga el rendimiento.

hardwaresfera.com

To get a better idea of what you are looking at in terms of the hot spot above use this image of the same drive without the heatsink:

As you can see, the hottest part of the drive is very much the controller.

It's well documented that the old e16 controller was rushed in order to enable manufacturers to have "4.0" SSD's available at the time of AMD's X570 chipset launch but the e16 has major shortcomings as a result:

The Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 SSD Review: A Spirit of Hope

www.anandtech.com

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The e16 is 28nm while the e18 is 12nm.

PHISON Electronics Corp. - PS5018-E18

www.phison.com

Phison are making a big deal about highlighting the fact that this hew controller runs cooler:





Also a recent preview for the new e18 controller gives us some promising information:

Phison PS5018-E18 Controller Hands On

The Phison PS5018-E18 is now paired with new firmware and the latest Micron NAND to deliver a client computing SSD that's very capable.

www.storagereview.com

Drives using the e18 have only just become available in the last month or so AFAIK.

 

[FatKingBallman]

IIRC, wasn't that when the feature was supposed to be introduced? I'm just asking for some kind of communication about where things are.

Sony will reportedly enable PS5 SSD expansion this summer

It’s hard to make do with just 667GB.

www.theverge.com

 

[GuinGuin]

Because after testing no drives are fast enough to keep up with the custom SSD in the PS5 and it's custom controller.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

And this will only become a bigger issue if Sony doesn't open up more storage issues as we struggle to balance are already existing PS4 collections with our growing PS5 collections. In this Era of BC and cross gen gaming, it's absurd to think one HDD enough. Not all of us are interested in deleting games and having to debate which of our games we store and which ones we don't. The competition allows more flexibility in this matter, so why is Sony lagging behind?

It's an especially annoying issue for me because my ISP has data caps, so I can't delete and redownload 100s of GBs of games very easily.

 

[RoadHazard]

Biggest reason is peace of mind, you never know when a game might get pulled and become undownloadable.

Games I REALLY want to keep forever I buy in physical format (well, actually I do that with all AAA games, because it's significantly cheaper than the ludicrous EU/Swedish PS Store prices), but sure, I get your point.

 

[wipeout364]

Who cares, I have no need for an internal M.2 drive at the moment.

Unbelievable. I thought PS5 fans were only nasty to Xbox people, no idea why you would give this response to someone, it’s about as helpful as saying git good. If the OP was trolling it might be ok but they seem genuine in their inquiry.

Anyway on topic does anybody have any idea how hard it will be to install the second drive when they are available? I don’t have a PS5 but will definitely be looking for more storage When I do get one unless they release a 2 tb version which I am hoping.

 

[kyliethicc]

Cerny was busy. Give him a few weeks.

He was on vacation since launch, getting some plats and looking at ears.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I don't really need it myself; but I am super curious about the "why" behind it.

 

[JeloSWE]

There are times when people make an issue about nothing.

It's a non issue... for you, but maybe not for some one else. You come of as arrogant and belittling other peoples opinions. But I think you just want some heated responses.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Unbelievable. I thought PS5 fans were only nasty to Xbox people, no idea why you would give this response to someone, it’s about as helpful as saying git good. If the OP was trolling it might be ok but they seem genuine in their inquiry.

Anyway on topic does anybody have any idea how hard it will be to install the second drive when they are available? I don’t have a PS5 but will definitely be looking for more storage When I do get one unless they release a 2 tb version which I am hoping.

It seems pretty simple. Just a matter of installing the new drive in the M.2 slot after opening up the unit.

 

[GuinGuin]

It's an especially annoying issue for me because my ISP has data caps, so I can't delete and redownload 100s of GBs of games very easily.

Just move them to an external drive. PS5 supports cold storage.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It appears that there are drives that should work on the PS5. Sony really should give us that list soon.

 

[ManaByte]

Just move them to an external drive. PS5 supports cold storage.

Have you tried that? Do you even have a PS5?. It takes almost as long to copy it to cold storage as reinstalling, and it can't be done in the background; so your system is stuck showing a progress bar until it completes.

 

[Great Hair]

 

[MasterCornholio]

Have you tried that? Do you even have a PS5?. It takes almost as long to copy it to cold storage as reinstalling, and it can't be done in the background; so your system is stuck showing a progress bar until it completes.

I can see why it's useful for people with digital copies. Seems like it's a good way to not waste bandwidth.

Also what's the issue with the feature since it's just nice to have?

 

[ManaByte]

I can see why it's useful for people with digital copies. Seems like it's a good way to not waste bandwidth.

Also what's the issue with the feature since it's just nice to have?

They could at least allow it to copy in the background like installations and updates do.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Have you tried that? Do you even have a PS5?. It takes almost as long to copy it to cold storage as reinstalling, and it can't be done in the background; so your system is stuck showing a progress bar until it completes.

If you have data caps and/or slow internet, it is still a big help which was the point you were replying to.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I'll get one eventually but my 5TB external works just fine for storing games.

 

[MasterCornholio]

They could at least allow it to copy in the background like installations and updates do.

Ok that I understand. Not a huge deal for me but yes it can be annoying if you want to use the system.

 

[kinjx11]

They think SSDs are not worth their 70$ games

 

[Black_Stride]

Because after testing no drives are fast enough to keep up with the custom SSD in the PS5 and it's custom controller.

Then there never will be a drive that works and that slot is useless cept for cold storage.
We have reached the limit of PCIE4.
Funny though because the PS5 raw speed is 5.5GB/s, PCIE4s are hitting 7.3GB/s.....but i guess 7 is way slower than 5.5.

well, the only drive that works with xbox costs 200 and imagine the ps5 one will cost just as much. So unless you're prepared to drop big stacks it may be a while until an affordable option that plays ps5 games is available

Pretty much.
Atleast NVme will eventually drop in price.....I have no idea if other manufacturers will make Series expansion cards so competition drives down the price.
We really need these hackers to up their game so we can make hack expansion cards.....200 bucks for 1TB is still a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Withnail]

This is to PS5 what suspend/resume was to PS4 and in-game XMB was to PS3. It will arrive eventually and work as advertised, and later on people will forget that it was ever missing.

 

[ManaByte]

Then there never will be a drive that works and that slot is useless cept for cold storage.
We have reached the limit of PCIE4.
Funny though because the PS5 raw speed is 5.5GB/s, PCIE4s are hitting 7.3GB/s.....but i guess 7 is way slower than 5.5.



Pretty much.
Atleast NVme will eventually drop in price.....I have no idea if other manufacturers will make Series expansion cards so competition drives down the price.
We really need these hackers to up their game so we can make hack expansion cards.....200 bucks for 1TB is still a bitter pill to swallow.

If you think that stings, look at the 2TB price. It's more than the digital PS5.

 

[GuinGuin]

Then there never will be a drive that works and that slot is useless cept for cold storage.
We have reached the limit of PCIE4.
Funny though because the PS5 raw speed is 5.5GB/s, PCIE4s are hitting 7.3GB/s.....but i guess 7 is way slower than 5.5.



Pretty much.
Atleast NVme will eventually drop in price.....I have no idea if other manufacturers will make Series expansion cards so competition drives down the price.
We really need these hackers to up their game so we can make hack expansion cards.....200 bucks for 1TB is still a bitter pill to swallow.

Those drives can't sustain those speeds for very long and they lack the I/O optimizations of the PS5 driver's controller.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Because after testing no drives are fast enough to keep up with the custom SSD in the PS5 and it's custom controller.

Yeah sure. A tech company announces an expension bay for SSD's and realizes a few months later that the expension bay is useless because the drives can't keep up.

So why announce an expension in the first place?? This makes no f Sense.

 

[MasterCornholio]

well, the only drive that works with xbox costs 200 and imagine the ps5 one will cost just as much. So unless you're prepared to drop big stacks it may be a while until an affordable option that plays ps5 games is available

Still makes the Series drive seem really expensive in comparison due to the much slower speed. Sony doesn't control the NVME market so prices will drop. I'm not sure about the Series drives though. Seagate currently has a monopoly so the price is extremely high. No idea when other NVME manufacturers will release their own Series drives. I'm pretty sure Seagate has some sort of agreement to have that monopoly for a certain period of time.

 

[GuinGuin]

Have you tried that? Do you even have a PS5?. It takes almost as long to copy it to cold storage as reinstalling, and it can't be done in the background; so your system is stuck showing a progress bar until it completes.

From your angry posts I can tell you don't have a PS5. No, it doesn't take as long to copy as it does to download a game and the guy was specifically complaining about his ISPs data cap.

 

[ManaByte]

Those drives can't sustain those speeds for very long and they lack the I/O optimizations of the PS5 driver's controller.

I have the 2TB WD drive. Side by side Fortnite loads identically on both it and the PS5.

Cyberpunk loads in about 2 seconds.

 

[NeonGhost]

why would I need to look at teardowns? I own one. it is cooled directly from the fan.

Sure Jan

 

[GuinGuin]

I have the 2TB WD drive. Side by side Fortnite loads identically on both it and the PS5.

Cyberpunk loads in about 2 seconds.

Loading is not the only use. In games like Rift Apart there is constant asset streaming going on at high speed.

 

[Kilau]

There are two kinds of PS5 users.

Those that have no SSD space issues and
Those that play CoD.

 

[ManaByte]

From your angry posts I can tell you don't have a PS5. No, it doesn't take as long to copy as it does to download a game and the guy was specifically complaining about his ISPs data cap.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I have the 2TB WD drive. Side by side Fortnite loads identically on both it and the PS5.

Cyberpunk loads in about 2 seconds.

I believe what was said is that due to the additional priority levels you would need an SSD faster than the PS5s for it to work. Haven't heard anything else though.

 

[ManaByte]

I believe what was said is that due to the additional priority levels you would need an SSD faster than the PS5s for it to work. Haven't heard anything else though.

Well if the PS5's is 5.5gbps, and the Gen4s hit 7, then those are faster and would work.

 

[GuinGuin]

Yeah sure. A tech company announces an expension bay for SSD's and realizes a few months later that the expension bay is useless because the drives can't keep up.

So why announce an expension in the first place?? This makes no f Sense.

At the time they created and shipped the PS5 there were no drives available to test. They will now likely have to get manufacturers to create better controllers for their drives in order to match the performance of the one included in the PS5.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Then there never will be a drive that works and that slot is useless cept for cold storage.
We have reached the limit of PCIE4.
Funny though because the PS5 raw speed is 5.5GB/s, PCIE4s are hitting 7.3GB/s.....but i guess 7 is way slower than 5.5.



Pretty much.
Atleast NVme will eventually drop in price.....I have no idea if other manufacturers will make Series expansion cards so competition drives down the price.
We really need these hackers to up their game so we can make hack expansion cards.....200 bucks for 1TB is still a bitter pill to swallow.

Thats the same price as the Xbox Seagate card, which to me is way too much for a 1tb drive no matter how snazzy SSD is. I'll wait for it to be $100, or just live with shifting next gen games back and forth with my HDD.

In 2014 for Xbox One, I got a 3tb Seagate HDD for $110 cdn. Now for that price, you could probably get double the size.

 

[01011001]

a reminder that the PS4 was originally advertised as getting 4K30hz support shortly after launch...
the Trine devs even had a 4k30fps patch ready for Trine 2

there's also nothing stopping the PS4 from supporting 4K30hz

the patch just never came and Sony never talked about it ever again



let's see how the 8K, VRR, expandable SSD storage PS5 will fair down the line

 

[MasterCornholio]

Well if the PS5's is 5.5gbps, and the Gen4s hit 7, then those are faster and would work.

They should work but only Sony knows which ones at the moment.

It's coming the only question is when?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Have you tried that? Do you even have a PS5?. It takes almost as long to copy it to cold storage as reinstalling, and it can't be done in the background; so your system is stuck showing a progress bar until it completes.

Takes like 2 to 3 minutes for a 40GB game

 

[IntentionalPun]

At the time they created and shipped the PS5 there were no drives available to test. They will now likely have to get manufacturers to create better controllers for their drives in order to match the performance of the one included in the PS5.

The controller is a part of the PS5 itself....

edit: Oh i guess the onboard flash controller matters.. but Cerny implied they were going to bypass it essentially, the PS5's on-board controller is what will be used

 

[ManaByte]

They should work but only Sony knows which ones at the moment.

It's coming the only question is when?

Right now there are only the Samsung and WD ones out that are 7. But Seagate is probably going to reveal theirs at that event. So that would be three.

 

[GuinGuin]

Well if the PS5's is 5.5gbps, and the Gen4s hit 7, then those are faster and would work.

Not fast enough to make up for their primitive architecture. They will need better controllers with more priority levels to match the PS5 standard drive.

 

[Blond]

The simple answer is that there's no drive on the market yet that meets both the technical and physical (heat) requirements.

The new Samsung and WD Black Drives meet the spec so I’m not sure what the hold up is.