Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Considering the software droughts with Wii in the later years, with 3DS at launch, and with Wii U so far... I keep being less and less convinced that selling Rare was a good business and long term move for them.
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Iwata implies he may resign over poor business performance
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Considering the software droughts with Wii in the later years, with 3DS at launch, and with Wii U so far... I keep being less and less convinced that selling Rare was a good business and long term move for them.
Refreshment.01
Member
Pretty much...
Selling Rare seems to have been a good busyness move. Now, selling them and not finding a substitute for it was just shortsighted.. If Nintendo insists on not growing 3rd party relationships they need a solid partner in crime as Rare was in those days.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I still think keeping Rare and buying their remaining stock would've been beneficial for both parties (hell, even Microsoft in a way) in the long-run, especially if Rare maintained the level of output they had for the N64 for the GCN and especially Wii during those system's droughts. Probably could've combated the 'kiddy' image the GCN had and the overall lack of shooters and fighting games the Wii had with Perfect Dark and Killer Instinct sequels as well.
People pointing at how one team performed with SFAdv out of six different dev teams at Rare when they were sold as a sign that they were declining really don't seem to get why they fell by the wayside.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well MS was not able to use its talent pool well and now pretty much diluted what Rare once was. This does not necessarily mean that Rare would not have been able to help Nintendo during the past few years.
It's sad to see the Nintendo fanbase in this state. It reminds of the DC/Saturn era Sega fanboys. So superior. So blind to what was seriously wrong with Sega.
It heartens me that others have chosen to speak out and repeat what I've been saying for months!
I'll never buy Skyward Sword as it represents EVERYTHING nintendo got wrong with the Wii.
Having said that...the art design was pretty good compared to WW and tP which were abortions.
No one had a problem with cel shading. They had a problem with shit cel shading.
It heartens me that others have chosen to speak out and repeat what I've been saying for months!
I'll never buy Skyward Sword as it represents EVERYTHING nintendo got wrong with the Wii.
Having said that...the art design was pretty good compared to WW and tP which were abortions.
No one had a problem with cel shading. They had a problem with shit cel shading.
grimshawish
Banned
You do talk out your arse sometimes Brera.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
"Sometimes" means that it's only occasionally. Every damn post.
frankie_baby
Member
What shit cell shading Zelda game are you on about cos I've never seen one
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Thats funny cause skyward sword was like a mix of the two. lol
Didn't you get banned for shit like that before?
Like a broken record, it's hilarious but please go on: teach us what's wrong in this world and judge games which you haven't even bought
So he basically made SHITLOADS of mistakes and fuck ups and one positive move?
Skyward Sword had a mix but they tweaked what didn't really work. Mainly Link. He's grown on me over the years but I can see why some people are turned off by it.
I wish SS didn't have motion controls. I would have bought it in a heart beat.
I see 6 pluses there. 6 is not 1. Learn to count Bera.
Refreshment.01
Member
To be fair, is not about "X" group of followers being worse or better. The fan of "whatever" base is an unreasonable been. What changes is the situation in which the fan is put. This cycle seems to be the turn for the Nintendo guild, as it was some time ago with the first year of the PS3 and Sony's camarilla.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Purchasing Monolith Soft was a brilliant decision. They have become a huge asset to Nintendo imo as I see Xenoblade as the best new IP Nintendo has created last generation and a solid jrpg.
I can only see Iwata resigning if he does not meet the goals he put forward.
I can only see Iwata resigning if he does not meet the goals he put forward.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Skyward Sword gets a lot of things wrong but saying it's indicative of everything wrong with Nintendo without even owning it or at least playing it at length is odd, to say the least.
At least we can agree that TP has pretty bad art direction?
I see 6 pluses there. 6 is not 1. Learn to count Bera.
I really do think the negatives listed cost the company long term than the positives benefited them.
I mean, Iwata Asks and Nintendo Directs are cute, but only hardcore fans give a fuck about them. Nothing more than preaching to the choir and a vent for Iwata's narcissism.
grimshawish
Banned
I like the monkey in the forest still. That stuff was great looking. Twilight realm too is great.
TP's problems for me are the overall game design is lacking.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Bad might be an over-exaggeration, but some of the characters in Twilight Princess flat out look like mutants. The psuedo-realistic art style certainly doesn't help things either.
In other areas the direction still dampers things a bit; the realistic style makes the barren Hyrule field all the more obvious, while in WW the cel-shading complimented the similarly huge and empty ocean in a way. Also compare the slime enemies in WW, to TP to SS's; TP's are hilariously lazy in comparison.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Nope nope and nope.
People are continuing to fail to see that Nintendo cannot and should not compete tech to tech with Microsoft and Sony. They sell them as lossleading devices for at least 3 years. Unlike them, Nintendo is a gaming company only and to sell a console at a significant loss (the PS3 was at like $300 loss at launch) would screw the company's financials and drain all the money they have accumulated.
It astounds me that people continue to fail to see this. It wouldn't help them meet financial targets or business performance, it is what would bankrupt them
It astounds me that people continue to fail to see this. It wouldn't help them meet financial targets or business performance, it is what would bankrupt them
It astounds me that you fail to see that Nintendo could've had a more powerful system if they dropped the gamepad. And before you say "that would make them the same as MS/Sony," If the Wii U were slightly more powerful than the Durango, (it would probably have half the RAM though) I believe Nintendo would have actual Western 3rd party support.
I've been Nintendo fan since i've been playing games. I know Nintendo. Once they had a gimmick in their mind, they go all out at the expense of common sense and playability. Touch controls being one...I stayed about from Phantom Hour glass for this very reason and Kid Icarus? Fuck dat!
The worst part about WW was that Nintendo lost their confidence. That was their D day, before then, they were doing everything right but the outbreak of hate directed at WW really confused them and they tried to appease the fans resulting in TP and it's awful art and OoT retread (they've only now realised LTTP is the best not OoT). I bought the GC version of TP to play on my Wii at launch. I believe in control pad controls not motion controls!
I'll buy SS once they release a GC version.
Also, GC would have been a bigger success if they had released a pad resembling the WiiU Pro pad.
the GC pad destroyed that console. Miyamoto really threw Nintendo under a bus demanding that bullshit control pad.
For it to be slightly more powerful than the Durango, it would have had to have been sold at a decent loss, which brings me back to my point.
Plus, developers are always moaning about Nintendo. They often say they can't compete with Nintendo's own games, which is part of why support is minimal.
This is revisionist bullshit.
Nintendo invented the whole "sell a badass console at a loss and sell overpriced games to make your money back". You sell pile them high and sell em cheap to get the install base up. Old Nintendo would have sold the WiiU for $199. I remember everyone going app shit when GC was announced at £149 and that was after retailers FORCED them to up the price in the UK.
That was standard Nintendo operating procedure...until Iwata took over.
Old Nintendo was all about selling a leading edge console cheaply and making money on games and licensing.
Under Iwata its all about selling shitty hardware for as much as possible. GC was the last console made under the old Nintendo regime.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I'd say looking like a lunchbox in an era where looking cool to highschool kids legitmately mattered and choosing a stupid and cumbersome mini-disc format were the main things that killed the GCN. Outside a few exceptions I felt the controller works really well with the games tailor-made for the system.
How do you know this? The rumored 1.2TF of the Durango is not that powerful and not that expensive, and Nintendo would probably be getting a discount on it.
As far as I am aware, before the 3DS, Nintendo didn't sell hardware at a loss at all. They may have been the more powerful of the generation, but they weren't at a loss
The only way for them to do it would be to cut corners, which would result in the same sort of complaints that exist today
ProtomanNeo
Member
Said it before, and I'll say it again. Nintendo needs to leverage the popularity of their hand held market into the home market. You should be able to play 3ds games through the WiiU. Or at the very least have all hand held VC games available on the WiiU's VC.
They've cut corners on the Wii U gamepad by giving it an undersized battery. I know you & others have no faith in 3rd parties on Nintendo systems, thinking they'll come up with any excuse to not support it, but as an ex-Nintendo fanboy myself this isn't true.
efyu_lemonardo
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Surely Iwata was involved in more than that..
I seem to recall the idea of a controller that has a familiar shape to non-gamers and can also be held with one hand coming from him, but maybe I'm wrong on that..
Also, if you look at the credits for Endless Ocean 2, he's not listed as executive producer like on any Nintendo game, but under a role that would suggest a higher level of involvement (something like Executive Director iirc). I remember making a mental note of that at the time, because I find the series to be an excellent attempt at diversifying Nintendo's library and creating a type of experience that would appeal to new audiences.
Sales haven't been stellar for EO, but the concept itself is great, in my opinion. Perhaps there are more Nintendo games that were pushed as concepts by Iwata/Nintendo.
Reading various Iwata asks, it seems like several external collaborations on Japanese games which made use of Wii's unique capabilities also came from him, such as Ganbarion's project Pandora's Tower, or Sandlot's Zangeki no Reginleiv.
There is at least the impression Iwata or somebody else at the top of Nintendo is trying to foster new relationships with smaller developers in Japan...
Also, it would seem that Iwata was involved with the successful change of direction in the industrial design for Nintendo hardware, starting with the GBA SP.. I bet you have even more hardware examples to share.
NES, GB, GBA, SNES, N64, GC were all sold at a loss. Sony copied Nintendo's scheme with ALL of their consoles as did MS.
Nintendo basically invented the model everyone operates. The theory is that over time, the cost of producing the console falls as you re engineer it and make it more efficient etc.
MS had to dump the OG XBOX because they didn't factor this in because they didn't understand who the japanese worked and it was impossible to reduce their costs over time as Nvidea wouldn't reduce the cost of their gfx cards.
Wrong. Nintendo actually marked the Gamecube DOWN just before its launch in the UK (£150 to £129)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1943247.stm
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Even after the EA behind the scenes thing?
It appears that they're looking into that since they merged the handheld and console R&D divisions so their next handheld and consoles run similar architectures so things such as that are actually probable in the future
Do you have evidence of this? Because everything I have seen indicates otherwise
We have no clue what happened there. For all we know, EA could've told Nintendo to up the specs or they would cut back support, and here we are.
I must have got it mixed up. I remember everyone going wild when Nintendo announced the GC price!
Imagine if the WiiU had been sold at £199 for the premium. Would have sold 3x the amount IMO!
I don't think customers really care whether they get the premium or the basic pack apart from the colour. Some accessories and 24GB don't make a huge difference. And yet, even with a price below £199 the Wii U sales are abysmal. The console needs appealing software, then it is going to sell.
Their sales have increased 3 fold at £199 at HMV.
Imagine what will happen once it gets an official cut and some games
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
They shouldve never released ME3, fifa, madden, and most wanted on it then. What a waste.
Those games must've been already in the pipeline and were released anyway, because I think EA lost faith in Wii U and backed out hard. I don't believe EA got butthurt over Origin or whatever the rumor was, I think it had something to do with Nintendo's business plan and EA bailed when it came to fruition.
So, besides of forgetting their low consumption philosophy, how about the clusterfuck that was 28nm chips in mid-2012? Because both Xbox and PS4 will benefit of 28nm chips for more power and this is only possible this year.
StreetsAhead
Member
Or they liked the business plans of one of their competitors more.
Next problem: 3 times a low amount is still not a lot :/
Didn't AMD 7000 series release in 2011 or early 2012?
The power efficiency of the Wii U was a mistake pure and simple. The 45 watt power draw was a feature no one was asking for aimed at a market (Japan) that didn't care.
Unprecedented PartnershipStreetsAhead said:
They released their chips in 2011 but you forget the problems of manufacturing at huge volumes 28nm chips in 2012, nVidia and AMD had shortages, Qualcomm couldn't deliver their Krait chips and HTC even had to put older chips in their smartphones. And when they resolved their problems, mobile manufacturers had the priority (Apple, Nokia, Samsung...) and also those which had already contracts . So no, Nintendo couldn't use 28nm in 2012.
frankie_baby
Member
As it is Nintendo ended up with some fancy far better than normal 40nm
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Totally agree on 1, 3, 4 and 5. Disagree with 2. AAA games are the games that move console sales the most. If Nintendo skips them, it'll reduce the sales potential of both it's hardware and software. It wouldn't be a wise decision.