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Iwata says Nintendo will definitively embrace universal accounts in the future
- Thread starter moltonasty
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We'll just have to wait several more years now lol
mdtauk
Member
The new Tomb Raider was poor compared to the previous ones. Bioshock Infinate was also not as good as Bioshock. Metal Gear Solid V (both versions of it) are not that appealing to me - but I hold out hope.
The rest I can enjoy on the PC. The games I care about most, the Zelda and Mario games, are the reason I care about games in general. I grew up with them and they were a huge part of my childhood.
Were they to go, there is little else left, and I would not feel passionate about other games. I'd play them only for curiosity and distraction. Not out of love.
I know it sounds soppy, but fuck it, things like that matter to me.
If you neglect your job for 5 years and then announce that you're going to finally start making headway in your career in the future, does that suddenly no longer make you a lazy idiot?
boiled goose
good with gravy
If they don't implement it this gen, they will have a much rougher transition to next gen. They are basically saying don't invest in our hardware until we (maybe?) get our shit together.
They should aim to do it by this holiday season along with a relaunch of the WiiU and the 3DS.
I love nintendo games too. Yet I don't have a 3ds or wiiu because of their ineptitude. I understand that that if they don't change, they will cease to be relevant. People call for nintendo going third party because they dont want to invest in nintendo hardware. they have to make their hardware appealing. WiiU was a disaster from conception to execution. I believe 3DS sellls because of its games in spite of its issues, not because it is particularly appealing.
LegendOfFalcon
Member
Take a look at the below posts in case you haven't seen them yet.
Guys the "future platform" includes 3DS and WiiU. The paragraph that quote came from includes this slide and as you can see WiiU, 3DS, and smartphones are included in this future platform as well as any future hardware.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html
And Iwata says "Our future platform will connect with our consumers based on accounts, not devices."
Part of this strategy is that 3DS got NNIDs as he stated (Step 2), therefore, they're part of this platform.
And the japanese original プラットフォーム is singular - platform.
The slideshow picture has a translation error.
Original - Singular:
Exactly. I like in the slides how they now understand the importance of universal account systems. But I mean what the hell, drop everything and make it happen ASAP. Otherwise you just keep hurting your brand the longer you don't have this fixed.
please understand?
mdtauk
Member
One problem with this, is how will they implement it with the next hardware. I find it hard to imagine their next hardware devices wont be running an x86 system to bring it in line with the other platforms.
The 3DS and Wii U are very different, and so whatever they develop would be integrated into future hardware, but would have to be tacked on to the current devices. And software probably wont be carried over unless they implement some kind of BC mode using existing components. Like the Wii mode on the Wii U.
NightBlade
Banned
Now I want a Nintendo version of Achievements/trophies.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Yup. To me it should be their first priority.
i have been calling for it since the moment 3DS was announced with inadequate services. It is a huge blow to both consumer and publisher confidence.
Can 3DS and WiiU play NES and SNES games?
The issue is not hardware. It is the philosophy of how to deliver the content.
Listen, I understand nintendo's hesitation with releasing VC games for cheap. Why? They eat into their new game sales I'm sure.
I don't think NES games should be $1 like some people have clamored for. What they should be is attached to a unified nintendo account. That way I have an incentive to keep buying and upgrading nintendo hardware.
Also, the wii mode thing is a separate issue. You dont see people complaining too much that the wiiU doesnt play GC games. It could take a few gens for your recent gen games to be playable on the latest hardware. same with controller incompatibilities like n64 games on 3DS. what matters is that they are a part of your account. If you want to play them, you can buy the hardware. Since it is all linked through my nintendo account I don't feel like I am being ripped off everytime I buy new hardware.
@LegendOfFalcon
Thank you for the clarification but all this shows me is they are happy to have NNID on both current consoles. Theses consoles are still hardware ID'd and not account ID'd although no matter how much Nintendo dresses it up. Until they tell me they will get rid of hardware ID for the current consoles I've stopped purchasing content digitally from them.
Thank you for the clarification but all this shows me is they are happy to have NNID on both current consoles. Theses consoles are still hardware ID'd and not account ID'd although no matter how much Nintendo dresses it up. Until they tell me they will get rid of hardware ID for the current consoles I've stopped purchasing content digitally from them.
Buy a pc. Seriously, gems left and right for dirt cheap. And I'm not talking about AAA games going for cheap on a steam sale, I'm talking about games like FTL or Valdis Story. Shit that is pure gaming. To say the industry as a whole is becoming cookie cutter means you aren't looking very hard.
This is cookie cutter?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/252030/
Pancakes R Us
Member
Accepted. To each their own. I complain about Nimtemdo a lot but do enjoy their games. Current playing through Sticker Star as my first Paper Mario game and am having fun. A bit tired of all of the mainline Mario pimping over the last few years and over reliance on things like a main Mario followed by Kart followed by Zelda etc. plan to get a Vita soon to try out games like Tearaway. You should perhaps look out for quirky/good games on other platforms. Just because you didn't grow up with them, doesn't meant they can't be enjoyed. Nostalgia's great and all, but it's currently doing nothing for Wii U.
LegendOfFalcon
Member
You are correct that is what we have today, device-centric system. It looks like that once they complete this transitional period it would be NNID-centric, as in account ID'd. I think we've lost Nintendo's original meaning through the translation. What you want is exactly what they are saying they are working on and that includes Wii U and 3DS. How long before its released? Well that's a different story..
mdtauk
Member
Indie Games is its own thing IMO - And apart from in-app purchases, and devalued prices, I have no issues with those titles. It is anything AAA and first-person-shooter based I can not stand!
boiled goose
good with gravy
from what the rest of the quote said (smooth gen transitions, etc.) it is clear they have their thoughts in the right place regarding unified accounts. What is unclear is whether they will start with 3ds and wiiu or wait till the next systems. (the latter would be a huge mistake imo)
Well, I agree. Just think of AAA gaming as top 40 bullshit like Justin Beiber. Just because that shit is popular doesn't mean you have to stop listening to Radiohead.
boiled goose
good with gravy
LegendOfFalcon
Member
Yes it would be a huge mistake to wait for future hardware. And yes it isn't so clear what they mean, especially because of the translation error. I don't think its fair to assume they are skipping Wii U and 3DS when it appears by "future platform" they mean the NNID platform. If NNID is to become the new platform, then why wouldn't that include 3DS and Wii U? Both of those devices currently use the NNID.
R_thanatos
Member
About time !
So late ...
So late nintendo . maybe they'll be able to have an unifed online experience too at the same time.
So late ...
So late nintendo . maybe they'll be able to have an unifed online experience too at the same time.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I paid $1.50 today to download A Link to the Past to my Wii U. I really don't think that's too bad. I get to play it on the Gamepad and I get a save state that wasn't present on the original version on the Wii. Not having to dig out a Wiimote and a classic controller is worth $1.50.
Anyway, there is no guarantee that your VC games will transfer between handheld and console, like Sony does, with a unified account system.
Hours Left
Member
Wow, finally huh?
And give us cross play while you're at it. I shouldn't have to buy the same VC game 3 different times.
And give us cross play while you're at it. I shouldn't have to buy the same VC game 3 different times.
boiled goose
good with gravy
If there is no 'cross play' then it is not a unified account. Again, it is going from a hardware centric to account centric philosophy. You dont buy itunes music for computer or for your phone, you buy it on itunes.
Same would apply here. You buy things for your nintendo account. It is ok if some things play on some hardware and not others, just like you cant play movies on an ipod shuffle.
The distinction between handheld and console is fundamentally hardware centric. What if they make a tablet? what if they have multiple handhelds? what if they make a VC box? again, you buy it for nintendo, you play it on compatible nintendo systems.
If you talk about 'crossplay' you are already thinking about it incorrectly.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Too little too late
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
Nintendo shouldn't forget thinking about a good online service, too.
Nintendo Network is pretty good already but it can be better.
Come up with something equivalent to PS+ and XBL Gold, with free games every month (even if it's just VC titles, I would be okay with that).
Call it "Nintendo More" or something Engrish-y like that, I don't care.
Do more sales on the eShop, like Valve does with Steam.
Grab a few more indies, too. Get yourself a Minecraft Wii U Edition. Notch seems to be all for it, just approach him already.
And give 3rd parties better support. If I read that 3rd parties get answers to their problems three weeks after Nintendo was asked what to do, then that's clearly too long. Give information about hardware and software solutions to your HQs in USA and Europe, so problems with your hardware can get accessed quickly, instead of having to send the request to Japan, have it translated, have it solved, translate it back to the former language and then have it sent back to whoever sent it to you in the first place. I mean, really? I don't know how Microsoft or Sony address problems 3rd parties have with their respective consoles, but I imagine it being much faster.
Just support 3rd parties already. Or do it better. I really like the Wii U, but I totally don't like it if 3rd parties jump off of your console because your hardware support is shit.
Nintendo Network is pretty good already but it can be better.
Come up with something equivalent to PS+ and XBL Gold, with free games every month (even if it's just VC titles, I would be okay with that).
Call it "Nintendo More" or something Engrish-y like that, I don't care.
Do more sales on the eShop, like Valve does with Steam.
Grab a few more indies, too. Get yourself a Minecraft Wii U Edition. Notch seems to be all for it, just approach him already.
And give 3rd parties better support. If I read that 3rd parties get answers to their problems three weeks after Nintendo was asked what to do, then that's clearly too long. Give information about hardware and software solutions to your HQs in USA and Europe, so problems with your hardware can get accessed quickly, instead of having to send the request to Japan, have it translated, have it solved, translate it back to the former language and then have it sent back to whoever sent it to you in the first place. I mean, really? I don't know how Microsoft or Sony address problems 3rd parties have with their respective consoles, but I imagine it being much faster.
Just support 3rd parties already. Or do it better. I really like the Wii U, but I totally don't like it if 3rd parties jump off of your console because your hardware support is shit.
freefornow
Member
Heres the "touch".
And here is Iwata, standing about 30 kilometers out of the "touch".
And here is Iwata, standing about 30 kilometers out of the "touch".
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I get what you are saying but I am thinking of it like this. Well, I am assuming you mean cross buy instead of cross play?
If my PS3 breaks, no problem, I can buy another and redownload my games and I don't have to beg Sony to make it happen. I simply activate the new console. I don't expect Persona 4 Golden to play on my PS3 though.
If my Vita breaks...same thing only I don't expect to play Final Fantasy XIII on my Vita.
With Nintendo, all I ask is that if my Wii U breaks, I can buy another and redownload my games simply by logging into my account and/or by activating that console. I don't expect (but would appreciate) cross buy and I don't define a unified account based on cross buy.
Sure, some games are available on both 3DS and Wii U and it's great that Sony has cross buy for some games but they don't for all. For example, Rainbow Moon is not cross buy but I think it is cross play.
I also don't see the problem with having my handheld games and console game stored under the same NNID. Does that not qualify as unified?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Figure it will come this generation, but it should have been there no later than Wii U launch. I expect implementation of a half-featured service while Nintendo acts like they've single handedly solved the world's most complicated puzzle.
KillerDark
Member
This shouldve been implemented years ago. I really hope he doesn't mean that it will take until the next Nintendo console to implement this.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
Sooo, AFTER the launch of the new consoles?
BlackNMild2k1
Member
I believe in context of the response to your response, he was referring to the VC.
You should be able to buy a game once, and as long as the hardware you are attempting to play that "VC" game in is capable of playing it (such as the Wii U playing 3DS or Wii games & the 3DS being able to play anything from the DS and all that came before it) then it should.
At least in a perfect world, that how it should work. And reasonably, most VC games are not hardware intensive, there is no reason that a majority of them shouldn't work on both the Wii U and the 3DS.
Herb Alpert
Banned
That's the trend lately on nintendo threads. Were you among the ones reclaiming an account system? They say there will be one.
And now : "too little too late"
perhaps they should offer handjobs?
Herb Alpert
Banned
The good ol'nintendo way
Edit: sorry for the dp
Kinda, half true, at least DSi let you play any region DS games.
Too fucking late. I don't think its hard to ask for a company to build something for you in some months. They did that for MiiVerse and it worked fine.
All this Nintendo mentality is retarded and they deserve to be in the situation they are. Sad to see they weren unable to provide basic service almost 10 years before.
All this Nintendo mentality is retarded and they deserve to be in the situation they are. Sad to see they weren unable to provide basic service almost 10 years before.
AusRoachman
Member
Here's hoping Nintendo figure out that complicated network problem they have been stumped on for 8 years, now they have overcome this universal account problem
abstract alien
Member
Guys the "future platform" includes 3DS and WiiU. The paragraph that quote came from includes this slide and as you can see WiiU, 3DS, and smartphones are included in this future platform as well as any future hardware.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html
I'll quote it again. They mean the WiiU and 3DS as well.
I personally don't really care much about having a unified account since I don't replay games, but it's something that should have been done long ago to please everyone and give them peace of mind.
I'm waiting for Iwata to announce he's created his first ever email account.
googleplex
Member
How the fuck is it possible to be 2 generations behind on this issue?
Guys the "future platform" includes 3DS and WiiU. The paragraph that quote came from includes this slide and as you can see WiiU, 3DS, and smartphones are included in this future platform as well as any future hardware.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html
Sweet, took them way too long but hell, better late than never.