The reason for that is to help mitigate the sting for those expecting a Mario RPG on WiiU. Let the post-show coverage go into more detail on Paper Jam, but keep it short(er) in the Digital Event. My scenario tries to keep the ball rolling where fan expectations might be dashed.
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Iwata tweets about the Digital Event reactions.
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The amount of people saying this is the end for the wiiu or Zelda is moving to NX is astounding. Almost every Nintendo internal team put a game out in the last year, how the hell were they supposed to have another game ready for e3? it has nothing to do with NX, to which we do not even know if it is definitively if it is a wiiu replacement. And the people saying Zelda is for NX considering that they won't show it til around e3 next year and won't most likely launch til holiday 2017 I find it hard to believe they would delay Zelda 2 years. Christ, I'm not saying this conference is amazing or apologizing for Nintendo I'm just asking people to use their brains but I know it's the internet do I can't expect much.
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you have to respect Nintendo for showing the next months as they are (with actual gameplay), no make up (announcements for games in the far future) to produce hype like everyone else does. The problem is the lack of third party support, so it looks pretty barren.
The presentation was bad too, The games themselfes are actually fine and all look like fun experiences.
they should start to do CG teasers for 2018 games when they reveal the NX next year. Sadly this is what the audience wants, they want to get hyped
The presentation was bad too, The games themselfes are actually fine and all look like fun experiences.
they should start to do CG teasers for 2018 games when they reveal the NX next year. Sadly this is what the audience wants, they want to get hyped
The puppet stuff was great and had a lot of personality. The problem was the pacing and the announcements. Stuff like developer stories should be content AFTER the main event. The digital presentation should be entirely focused on new games or games that we don't know much about. Xenoblade and Yoshi are great looking, but we have already seen enough from those two. Mario Maker looks amazing, but the NWC was enough to make us know we will buy it. The biggest announcement was Star Fox, but the section showcased wasn't that appealing.
It seems like there's a Nintendo E3 cycle. Sometimes they kill it, like in 2010 or last year, but then other times they seem to drop the ball completely and forget everything that made their best E3 presentations the best.
I really hope Nintendo releases a good Nintendo Direct in like 2 months with content that will keep people excited about the WiiU.
It seems like there's a Nintendo E3 cycle. Sometimes they kill it, like in 2010 or last year, but then other times they seem to drop the ball completely and forget everything that made their best E3 presentations the best.
I really hope Nintendo releases a good Nintendo Direct in like 2 months with content that will keep people excited about the WiiU.
Focusing too much on portables is part of the problem. They can afford to do more with Wii U, they just don't want to face the opportunity cost / risk. For me they have broken a kind of unspoken covenant between platform holder and loyal customer: those of us who readily believe in their talent. This tells me Nintendo will leave you swinging in the breeze unless their platform sees crazy sales. And the last years of the Wii tell me that even that doesn't guarantee continued support or a sincere effort to avoid launch droughts.
As I say. Trust. Gone.
shackdaddy836
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Makes too much sense. You need 20 minutes of Miyamoto talking about world 1-1 in the middle for Nintendo to do it.
Unprecedented Skylanders crossover.
Nintendo are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Home consoles are popular in the west but Nintendo brand isn't and consoles are dead in Japan. Handhelds are popular in Japan but loosing ground to mobile and remains unpopular/ undesirable to western gamers. What do they do? Having two ever complicated devices has stretched them thin, even Sony has given up their second platform, in favour of solely supporting PS4 (funny to see such heavy Japanese support for them, despite Japanese sales - guess publishers are relying on western sales).
Skylanders
SporeCrawler
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If the games themselves looked fine people wouldn't be this mad.
Shalashaska161
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The direct was certainly disappointing but it certainly isn't as offensive as a lot of people seem to say it is. A lot of the games looked like fun and the Wii U holiday lineup of Star Fox, Xenoblade, Mario Maker and Mario Tennis this holiday is solid enough.
The lack of new content was the biggest problem really, and it makes sense when you consider they didn't talk about mobile or NX where a large amount of resources are likely being spent right now. Still, Nintendo should of waited to show off the Smash DLC til today and had a trailer for Zelda even if it wasn't on the show floor. Had they done that I think people would of been a lot more positive.
The lack of new content was the biggest problem really, and it makes sense when you consider they didn't talk about mobile or NX where a large amount of resources are likely being spent right now. Still, Nintendo should of waited to show off the Smash DLC til today and had a trailer for Zelda even if it wasn't on the show floor. Had they done that I think people would of been a lot more positive.
Ratchet & Clank, Horizon, Dreams, Street Fighter V,etc,etc along with some others not even mentioned. I would call that pretty fucking awesome, dude.
Lets keep it real bro...Nintendo had a terrible offering this E3, wish it would of been better after playing Splatoon but facts are facts and yes it sucks but N has to step it up.
Activision and Platinum lol.
Astral Dog
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But then what will they show when they announce the NX? isnt that much more important?
TheWorthyEdge
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I feel bad but it was horrendous.
Space Medafighter X
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The direct was fine, nothing insane like the year 2020 titles Sony had, but fine nonetheless. Actually, I'd say all conference's were equal in excitement.
Zombegoast
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All you had to do was repeat 2014 Iwata.
FunkyPajamas
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my post was [not-so?] obviously tongue in cheek, but the truth is I agree with you. First off, I will not invest in the next Nintendo console until they've figured out the deal on what I own and how do I transfer that from one console to another. What Microsoft just did with backwards compatibility should be the bare minimum we should expect from every other platform holder from now on. That goes double for Nintendo because they actually do have a HUGE catalog of AMAZING games going back to the NES. I want to be able to play that stuff over and over and over again, but I don't want to have to pay for it every time I move on to the next console cycle.Regarding third party games, I'll be honest: I don't particularly care. I understand why people do and I understand Nintendo will definitely not be considered a major player without third parties (or without another Wii-like surprise), but I would prefer that Nintendo works with third-parties to build games with Nintendo's IPs but using third-party development resources, rather than just having Madden 201X, CoD 20, etc. Basically, have Square Enix work on a console Pokemon. Keep getting action games out of Platinum. Collaborate with Capcom on a new Earthbound RPG. Again, I understand the "need" for those annualized third party games and I'm fine with those, but Nintendo should definitely invest in building great third party relations so that their IPs can be handled properly.
And yes, I want to see Nintendo invest smartly into new IPs, new games, better hardware, no more gimmicks, more studios and a proper online infrastructure. They can continue to sell trillions of Amiibos for all I care, but please put that money back where it should be: games.
d00d3n
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A Link to the Past
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I'm just saying, Nintendo, I'd have forgiven every bad thing about this year's E3 if you just announced Rhythm Heaven Plus
they look fine to me in the Treehouse stream, even that Metroid game. The presentation of the games during the Digital Event was as bad as it is possible though. Super Mario Maker iseems incredible
Beelzebufo
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"We will be giving more developer stories and less Metroid games, based on your feedback."
Skylanders, Platinum/StarFox, Tecmo Koei/Hyrule Warriors, Atlus/SMTxFE
Your Nintendo 3rd party deals are not the average 3rd party deal.
HyperCubed4
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Implying the NX isn't a new Nintendo handheld?
Why would that be wrong? Today's the first day of E3. Still many more days to present it.
Immaculate
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why are people feeling bad
they honestly need to know it was shit
they honestly need to know it was shit
civilstrife
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Agreed. Part of me thinks they held off on the full Zelda reveal (and possibly the launch of the game itself) in order to have something, anything to talk about next year. Because otherwise, all they've got is NX, and I can't see them launching in 2016, and certainly not with much software.
I think it's reasonable to expect a great showing next year. After all, realistically they'll have Zelda, EAD Tokyo's next 3D Mario and whatever Retro are working on (Metroid?) all on NX, hopefully releasing all of the above within the first year of the console's release with Zelda at launch, holiday 2016. That actually looks remarkably similar to the Wii, which obviously had TP at launch, and then Galaxy and MP3 within a year of release.
What else could Nintendo have for NX's launch and first year? Maybe Splatoon 2 for 2017?
What else could Nintendo have for NX's launch and first year? Maybe Splatoon 2 for 2017?
I kind of feel that this is a given. I don't think Nintendo will reveal a next gen console in a ND or a Digital Event. Too risky
Discomurf
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Skylanders Amiibo
shackdaddy836
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I mean the guy had to watch the direct and go "Ya, this is enough for our E3 presentation. The fans will just love these developer interviews". He's the CEO of Nintendo ffs. It's kinda hard to feel bad for him tbh...
Riposte
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The E3 hype stuff is actually really twisted in the hands of more than a few individuals I've seen here. Petulant child is putting it nicely. Hype is fun, but allowing it go into the other direction is just sick. I really wonder what kind of lives some people have.
None of this shit really matters at all, this is all just advertisement at best, so focus on what you like and don't let anything actually wound you. Things should be 0 at worst, not negative. You are crying about commercials.
Version 3.0
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To Nintendo, the Amiibo / Skylanders crossover is a big deal.
This is the company that thought a GTA spinoff on the DS was a big coup, Batman: Arkham Armored Edition was an exclusive game, and putting Mario or Link in another companies' game once in a while counts as an amazing crossover effort.
Immaculate
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HeisenbergLannister
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Nintendo's policy is to show things coming in within the next 12 months or so.
Sony's and MS seem to be "throw everything at you, even things that maybe 2 months into development, i.e. FF7 or even a Kickstarter".
The fact they showed a small sample of TLG makes me think 2016 isn't realistic for it.
Sony's and MS seem to be "throw everything at you, even things that maybe 2 months into development, i.e. FF7 or even a Kickstarter".
The fact they showed a small sample of TLG makes me think 2016 isn't realistic for it.
PdotMichael
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At east we know that the PS4 still gets titles in 2020, while mid 2016 is already the end for the WiiU.
This would've been a lot better.
Diddy Kong
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you got your skylanders deal and you'll enjoy it
OricWindstar
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I'm as a big a Nintendo fan as they come, but I think the negative reaction will hopefully be good for Nintendo in the long run. They've always been their own worst enemy and hopefully some of this bad press will get them to step it up in their weaker areas.
Obliterator
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You know for a company that prides themselves for being "different" and "creative" they are anything but. Its the same franchises every year, for decades just being rehashed and reused over and over and over again. This year really drove that point home.
I mean I will congratulate them on Splatoon, its a huge step in the right direction, but they need a hell of a lot more of THAT and less Mario random game 1000 or random Animal Crossing spin off etc.
Gives us more original interesting IPs
I mean I will congratulate them on Splatoon, its a huge step in the right direction, but they need a hell of a lot more of THAT and less Mario random game 1000 or random Animal Crossing spin off etc.
Gives us more original interesting IPs
Discomurf
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That really depends since they won't have 3DS to save or possibly even develop for anymore at that point in time. I could see it going either way.
Given how strong the Skylanders franchise is that could potentially be a big deal for them in the future. Its obviously not going to matter to us too much though.