IamDodongo
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It's okay Iwata, I still love you.
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Iwata tweets about the Digital Event reactions.
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Well I was assuming those three games were coming to the Wii U.
Even if they get ported to the NX later. So showing them would be fine.
Father_Brain
Banned
Also all totally true.
Honestly, I think the most likely outcome is that NX proves to be too little, too late given the immensity of the market forces arrayed against them, it fails, and that Nintendo exits the hardware business and becomes a software and IP licensing company not too long thereafter. But NCL is making enough of the right noises that maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe they could succeed. Somehow.
Gambit 1138
Banned
Sure.....at the APPROPRIATE time not during a 50 minute E3 presentation.
QuixoticNeutral
Member
The shift in the mood since the Super Mario Maker NWC finale two (two!) days ago is astonishing.
perfectchaos007
Member
You can't overestimate Nintendo though. I could see them somehow rationalize doing a Direct/Digital Event as a reveal. But you're right, if the Hyrule Warriors leak was any indication, pre-recorded content could be leaked before the digital event so doing it live is the only way to 100% control the message.
Edag Plata
Banned
Were you asleep last year?
You know the lineup itself wouldn't be that bad if Nintendo had third party support. I mean the quantity of exclusives is up there with Sony and Microsoft but the third party support is nill. Imagine filling in the software gaps with Fallout 4, AC: Syndicate, Call of Duty, FIFA, Arkham Knight, etc.
Gambit 1138
Banned
Man if Yamauchi was still alive he'd slap the shit out of iwata
How quickly we forget that last year's Direct was awesome.
They had a dud this year because their content this year is underwhelming. Last year they revealed Zelda, they had Smash and Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2 and other stuff.
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Deleted member 17706
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They worked hard to keep people's expectations in check this year. They've been telling us that the big announcements will be in 2016. With all that in mind, I thought it was fine. This is the last year they have to ride out solely on the 3DS/Wii U before they really start pushing towards the next gen console, mobile, and more.
That's not really true since trailers can leak regardless.
What's wrong with it during a 50 minute E3 presentation? I don't get your rationale for thinking this. For the other conferences, people come up and talk about their games. Just because Nintendo didn't have a ton of content game wise, what's wrong with including developer commentary and why do you think it's an inapproriate time?
Beelzebufo
Banned
But they had Smash this year and showed it beforehand! And they withheld Zelda for whatever reason.
victreeb3l
Member
Nintendo outdid themselves on Sunday. It was going to be really hard to top Ryu + NWC2015.
InsaneZero
Member
The NX will launch in 2016 come hell or high water. It's very evident that Nintendo has moved all of their resources to it, and they cannot wait until 2017 while their primary revenue streams dry up.
mrchampipi
Member
Personaly, what saddens me the most is people saying this is alright/acceptable since competitors had not much to show either. Boy do I wish my Wii U was doomed to the same empty future of the PS4.
Version 3.0
Member
Maybe, but they do have mobile to do, now. And let's not forget about whatever QOL is (it's fucking nothing).
DrFaustPhD
Member
There were parts that were certainly over self-serving and congratulating, but the majority of the games they showed, I'm genuinely excited about. Peoples reactions to Star fox remind me of the reactions to SM3DW (which doesn't mean it won't end up bad, I'm just not ready to really pass judgement yet). My only genuine disappointment is that we didn't hear anything about what Retro is working on.
Also the muppets killed me.
Also the muppets killed me.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Ryu couldn't even make it to the Smash direct without getting screens leaked first
I don't see those things taking up enough resources to be an issue, especially when both seem to be heavily partnership based.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Besides the Metroid and Animal Crossing things, what all are people pissed about? Or is that it?
Lord_Byron28
Member
This!
I felt like I was in 2004-2006 seeing Mario spin-offs, Metroid Prime Hunters, Four Swords game(well three swords), Star Fox, party games, rare but surprising collaborations with 3rd parties, etc.
People seem to be pissed off that Nintendo can't match up to Sony's announcements which were rather big I admit.
It was fine last year because of all the content surrounding it. This year there wasn't much shown and that made it really aggravating to watch after a while
Just because this argument worked well in the Nintendo thread, doesn't mean it will here in the open.
Sony did show 2017 games, and 2016 games, and 2015 games, and 3rd party games, .....
Riposte
Member
Man that's heartbreaking.
But, had it been a live event, they very well could've been boo'd out of the building. It was a very, very poor showing from Nintendo, especially in the face of what MS and Sony did yesterday.
I agree, but it wasn't a live event. Their live event is going now.
This whole problem (I mean aside from Nintendo being in a hard position when it comes to games in the first place) is the "hype train" not being an good match with what Nintendo is trying to do in the first place. Neiteio big fancy write-up is the correct way to go about things if that's what they are aiming for, but they aren't. If they were, they would have a 1/4 of the Nintendo Directs they do now. Nintendo has less overall content to show than everyone else, but they "give away" more stuff throughout the year anyway.
Gambit 1138
Banned
With such a small window they need to make announcements and demonstrate why exactly people should pay attention to Nintendo and purchase their products. When you've already lost so much marketshare and people leaving in droves boring people with stories about how Yoshis wolly world was created and killing time is probably not the smartest thing.
Wandering Robot
Member
Oh, yes. It's kind of entertaining how people are swearing off Nintendo, the NX, and/or all the now/future games. I wonder how many of those will stick to that when the next games/console(s) come around.
No lie, though, the NWC was hype. This DE was...not so much. Nintendo isn't always going to nail it. It happens, with every video game company.
papercan55
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last year was incredible, including the amazing treehouse stuff but this year has in my opinion been nintendo's worst ever, even worse than the wii music disaster.
Nothing worth watching, no new wii u games and worst of all presented horribly.
It's so strange after such an mazing digital event last year to see this one be so bad.
I'm left with yoshi wooly world in a weeks time for wii u and then it's over for me until the NX next christmas, i'm struggling to keep this up with nintendo.
How about having yoshi developer commentary which you already had at last years e3? the amount of padding and repetition in this event was crazy.
they literally spent 3/4 of it showing old footage, old trailers and old news.
They announced a total of zero single player Wii U games.
Also some people are angry bout Starfox's graphics I guess.
I'm surprised they acknowledged this so swiftly. I guess the negative reaction must be really apparent. Those YouTube dislikes are dire. For me, the event was disappointing in quite a few aspects...the Metroid and Animal Crossing franchises are going in directions I'm not fond of (Animal Crossing spin-offs I'm fine with, but the lack of a Wii U AC while we get a board game seemingly purely designed to justify a new amiibo lineup is pretty disappointing).
What is very strange to me was the large amount of time dedicated to developer stories, when Nintendo famously last year had one of the best post-E3 streams with constant interesting info. That would have been a much better time to show stuff like that. It's upsetting in a way since the negative reaction might mean we don't see many stories from developers in the future from Nintendo. That stuff is fascinating to me but the Digital Event was not the platform for it. Games like Fatal Frame, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, even Devil's Third getting shown for just a short amount of time would have given off a better impression. Even Super Mario Maker's representation didn't really highlight how great the level maker was. This Mario celebration theme would have been better suited to a Micro Direct or a post-show E3 show. It's a shame that what was quite a sweet idea for celebrating Mario's history is now tied to such a negatively received event. On it's own, I think the idea would have been well-received.
It could have been better but not much better, with Nintendo seemingly focusing largely on NX development, if the majority of games being announced reusing assets/engines is anything to go by.
What is very strange to me was the large amount of time dedicated to developer stories, when Nintendo famously last year had one of the best post-E3 streams with constant interesting info. That would have been a much better time to show stuff like that. It's upsetting in a way since the negative reaction might mean we don't see many stories from developers in the future from Nintendo. That stuff is fascinating to me but the Digital Event was not the platform for it. Games like Fatal Frame, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, even Devil's Third getting shown for just a short amount of time would have given off a better impression. Even Super Mario Maker's representation didn't really highlight how great the level maker was. This Mario celebration theme would have been better suited to a Micro Direct or a post-show E3 show. It's a shame that what was quite a sweet idea for celebrating Mario's history is now tied to such a negatively received event. On it's own, I think the idea would have been well-received.
It could have been better but not much better, with Nintendo seemingly focusing largely on NX development, if the majority of games being announced reusing assets/engines is anything to go by.
Lights and Waves
Member
Wait, they didn't even announce the successor to Club Nintendo!
Hours Left
Member
The still not traditional Paper Mario announcement is what upsets me the most. I'm not sure why they don't understand what people want from the series yet. :/
I feel like they'll have to gun for a 2016 in order to just generally be in the race of making profits... but 2017 sounds like the most realistic release year honestly.
When 2017 rolls around the next 3D Mario will have been in development for at least four years which is the average time of developing new 3D Mario iterations. Roughly same goes for whatever Retro is developing next and even so they've been said to be able to handle multiple projects which means they've probably had something in the pipeline for even longer. Zelda will, again, probably be not until late in the NX's life. The EAD 2 team that worked on Splatoon will probably have enough time to come out with a solid release window for a sequel.
2017 makes the most sense for the NX since they can maximize the launch window with new games that make it an appealing investment. It also gives Nintendo enough time to mull things over in regards of online accounts, third party relationships, hardware and so forth. They need to take as many notes as possible.
Version 3.0
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We'll see. I would be inclined to agree, but we could've said nearly the same thing about the N64 / GB, Gamecube / GBA, Wii / DS, and Wii U / 3DS. They've not learned in 20+ years, and let's be honest: it's quite possible that they'll prioritize mobile over the NX. They've always prioritized Japan over the rest of the world, and handhelds over consoles. Prioritizing mobile would just be more of that.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Wish I could go back in time and shake everyone and point to what sticking with carts in the 64 era would mean. I mean, this is how this plays out. It all starts there.
This was the worst part, in my opinion.
A Link to the Past
Banned
They didn't announce a Paper Mario game, they announced a Mario & Luigi game that features Paper Mario in it.
d00d3n
Member
Listen to this poster, Iwata.
Honestly they need to do something drastic already. They need all their suits to step down first. Next, they need to man up and I know it's a sensitive subject, but it's time for them to go 3rd party. Just focus on what they're good at, the games. They can not compete hardware wise. Look what they did with the Wii U, releasing a console around parity to consoles that were being replaced in a year or two. They can't woo over 3rd parties because of this situation, in part. Finally, they need to understand the world is a scary but beautiful place, there's good and bad people out there. This ignorance to connected games has to stop which I believe that bad people thing could be a cop-out, and they just don't have smart enough people to deliver a proper online experience.
Just sucks to see a childhood hero fall so hard into obscurity.
Just sucks to see a childhood hero fall so hard into obscurity.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Really? I just remember Splatoon... I thought this was better only because the talked about how they made Mario levels.
Angry Fork
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I've disliked Nintendo since the Wii but even I want them to get back on their feet now. I'd love to see the developer of my childhood favorites come back but it just hasn't happened. It's kind of sad honestly. I wish they'd go back to N64-style games, a more open/explorable Mario, an open world Donkey Kong, stuff like that. I just can't be excited for $50 six hour long side scrolling games anymore when Fallout/Elder Scrolls exist.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Aaaah yeah you're right. I think I was stuck on the 3DS side of the show, which was indeed rehash central.
Still, other than Pikmin, the other two weren't good reveals. While both games did end up good, there was no hype for either of them. In fact, Nintendo Land was notorious for leaving a bad first impression due to all of the mini-game compilations already being hyped for Wii-U. No one expected the final product to wind up being one of the best mini-game collections of all time.
I was literally playing TTYD last night, thinking that somehow that would result in a Paper Mario Wii-u announcement. I was planning to get to the end of Chapter 2, but I decided to quit right before it, instead.
So as a result, I got half a damn Paper Mario game. I need to play harder.
Version 3.0
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Wish I could go back in time and shake everyone and point to what sticking with carts in the 64 era would mean. I mean, this is how this plays out. It all starts there.
They've had every opportunity to break that chain since then. They've made every possible mistake on the 3rd party front, time after time. Honestly, I'm not sure their situation now would be much different had the N64 been disc-based.
Next year's January direct will be the NX reveal and it will have an accompanying press event. I would almost be willing to put money on it.
For now Mobile is only 5 games through 2017. Could change in the future but for now that's what we're talking.