Miyamoto needs to retire, thank you for all your great games!
His three or four new projects are a waste of money.
Yeah, who needs Star Fox, amirite?
Miyamoto needs to retire, thank you for all your great games!
His three or four new projects are a waste of money.
Aquamarine, care to confirm/deny this for us? You seem the most apt to confirm it and I'd rather it be substantiated or debunked BEFORE it becomes a talking point.
Iwata's approval went up, Miyamoto's and Takeda's approval went down.
Last year, the Wii U had a rough launch and Nintendo posted some losses, but Iwata promised good times ahead.
This year, the Wii U Dreamcasted, Iwata managed to cook up a Plan B (short on details) on a cocktail napkin in January, and at the last minute they had a good E3.
I'm guessing there was some sympathy vote over Iwata's illness.
I'm not surprised that Miyamoto and Takeda's ratings are down. Nintendo is in a much worse position now than what they were able to admit at the last meeting. But the heat from January has died down.
A good E3 should logically have reflected more positively on Miyamoto than anyone else, because Nintendo had games where Sony and MS didn't. But that doesn't seem apparent. I suspect that what got traction though was that "Nintendo won".
So why did Iwata's approval go up? The QOL plans? Maybe, but I didn't think Nintendo has provided enough details on what their plan is or why it's going to work.
I think it's naive to assume that sympathy vote doesn't have an effect. If Iwata was at the meeting in person, healthy and whole, they might have been more likely to tear a piece out of him than if they're told he's in the hospital. If they said he might quit for health reasons, the same people calling for his head might be begging him to stay on. It's an emotional factor.
I agree.
If Miyamoto and Takeda took a hit in their respective ratings, makes little sense for Iwata's rating to go up if it's not sympathy. Nintendo had a loss for a third year in a row, 3DS sales were shrinking, Wii U perfomance was awful, there's little info about QOL and even was only discussed on the inside, does not guarantee shareholder profits, Mario Kart 8 boost hardware sales, but yet, Wii U is plagued with droughts and lack of third-party support, so the sudden faith in Iwata is a bit strange.
Yes, Cheerilee does have a point.
Maybe it's less "iwata is doing a better job" and more "oh shoot i think I've been unfairly blaming iwata for other board members' mistakes"
Yeah, who needs Star Fox, amirite?
Aquamarine, care to confirm/deny this for us? You seem the most apt to confirm it and I'd rather it be substantiated or debunked BEFORE it becomes a talking point.
Aquamarine was making statements that made it sound like Iwata's approval rating was definitely going to go down. Look at the previous thread and you would've seen people already talking like his approval rating was already in 50-60% range. I don't think she would be the best to comment on something like this. You would need somebody who was at the investor meeting in person.
Miyamoto's ratings are down because he has been doing a mediocre job. Nintendo's stumbled greatly with their software launches, and software development schedules for quite a few years. Some of the emphasis and wacky ideas Miyamoto has green-lighted haven't prospered much either.
It's still disappointing that after so much revenue, internal R&D has grown very slowly. The only one big jump has been the network programmer increase, which was actually Iwata's priority for a few years.
Honestly, if the new Star Fox is an episodic game where you drop Project Giant Robots from a helicopter, then I'd rather it stay dead.
Or... you know you can just... look at the numbers?
Not that hard. Waaaaay less opposition, only a little smidgen more for approval. Where is the discrepancy moved? Probably in the "Sold Shares" category.
I like having the whole game on release date, no day one patches, no microtransactions in a retail game, and not having to worry that the company will drop half the reason to own the system at the first sign of trouble, but every one has their own tastes. Also not paying to play MK8 online is pretty great, so I'll stay back here in the 90's if that's what it takes.
Also playable female characters.
What? If only I kept up with that thread.Aquamarine was making statements that made it sound like Iwata's approval rating was definitely going to go down. Look at the previous thread and you would've seen people already talking like his approval rating was already in 50-60% range. I don't think she would be the best to comment on something like this. You would need somebody who was at the investor meeting in person.
Nintendo can do all of those things and have competent account systems, online infrastructure, third-party support, and console OS'.
In fact, there are Nintendo games with day-one patches, microtransactions, and that are rushed. I guess Nintendo aren't far back in the 90's enough.
Its hard to tell because the other board members had a huge drop in approval, when looking at the past few years they were relatively the same.
Unless I'm completely wrong in which case just ignore what I said.
They saw the treehouse live demo of Project Giant Robo
Yes the massive false equivalence with what Sony and MS have on their systems.
Come back when Nintendo has anything near the launch catastrophe that was BF4 on their systems.
Aquamarine was making statements that made it sound like Iwata's approval rating was definitely going to go down. Look at the previous thread and you would've seen people already talking like his approval rating was already in 50-60% range. I don't think she would be the best to comment on something like this. You would need somebody who was at the investor meeting in person.
They saw the treehouse live demo of Project Giant Robo
Doesn't surprise me about Miyamoto at all. I have no doubt that the man can still design a good game, but...
1) His demos looked super rough, and at this stage will only reach the market at the end of the Wii U's life cycle. That's just a waste.
2) He is absolutely committed to making games for a demographic that is diminishing hugely. Which is the family who all sits in the one living room around one TV. The nuclear family with mom, pop and two kids is getting rarer and rarer, and everyone has their own screens these days anyway. Miyamoto is still focused on making games that 'are also fun for the person watching'. That just doesn't happen any more, not on the scale he thinks it does.
Secondly, he would love the idea of a dad playing Nintendoland with his daughter when he gets home from work. What he might not get is that for a lot of parents that such gametime might be impossible due to the lack of online features, because people move around, work abroad, and separate these days. For the father-daughter thing substitute any family or friends at all.
I don't know, I feel like Miyamoto is out of touch. I just hope that the young guys he taught picked up a bit of his gift of game design and eye for detail.
There's also shareholder-friendly activities such as dividends despite losses, and the share buyback shoring up the price, that probably helped stem negative sentiment in those that have retained their holdings.I would guess three factors:
1.) Some upset investors sold off and left.
2.) Some investors think Iwata is making a more serious effort now
3.) More investors are spreading around the blame instead of pinning it all on Iwata
No, I was talking in hypotheticals and "What if?" scenarios. I already deleted that one post about the possibility of a linear decline because some guy deemed it "too much of a layman" analysis. I talked about the "pro-Iwata" and "anti-Iwata" camps. That's still true today...Mr Iwata's 80% is definitely lower than his 96% from a few years ago. I have also made statements that I believed Mr. Iwata was definitely safe for the upcoming year.
But I also thought the well-reasoned arguments that Mr. Iwata's rating would stay the same / increase were definitely possibilities. Sorry if I didn't communicate that throughout the thread.
From a first glance it does look like some who were opposed to Iwata decided to sell off their shares. I need to do some research before coming to any conclusions, though.
Nonsense. There's sentiment critical of Iwata's actions and inactions, that doesn't translate into "common sentiment that he will resign or get removed during next year's vote."That is my fault then. I must've been also looking at other posters because as I was reading through the thread the common sentiment seemed to be Iwata would either resign the following fiscal year or get removed during next year's vote.
So what happened to those other 50,000 opposed votes from last year???
Same question here. I would love to know the reason for who was opposed to him last year for changing their minds now when Nintendo was in the red and there's no consistent prospects in the future to reverse the situation.
I don't get the "placing the blame at the right directors" justification here. Every year there's a shareholder meeting, they know each director's role and their responsabilites. Why only now they would realize Miyamoto and Takeda blame? This would be naive, as Nintendo has been losing money for some years now. This doesn't isent Iwata of blame as he made many mistakes in his decisions which drove Nintendo to it's current situation.
Nonsense.
Maybe it's less "iwata is doing a better job" and more "oh shoot i think I've been unfairly blaming iwata for other board members' mistakes"
Sympathy vote is a real thing. Do people think that elections have never been important until this one?People are joking about Iwata getting a boost out of pity, right? right!?
fucking LOL. Investors... having pity... just read what you just typed, please.
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I remember seeing posts that said if Iwatas approval was in the 50-60% he would resign or get kicked off the following fiscal year. I'll look back to see if I'm remembering incorrectly or not.
Nintendo can do all of those things and have competent account systems, online infrastructure, third-party support, and console OS'.
In fact, there are Nintendo games with day-one patches, microtransactions, and that are rushed. I guess Nintendo aren't far back in the 90's enough.
I see that people have now switched the hatedom from Iwata to Miyamoto.
Seriously?
I see that people have now switched the hatedom from Iwata to Miyamoto.
Seriously?
Not hate but more.. oh iwata went up, miyamoto went down..? Go get my belt shigeruI see that people have now switched the hatedom from Iwata to Miyamoto.
Seriously?