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Jaffe:"Is this biased journalism? Or is it just me?"
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60_gig_PS3
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I think it's legit for the mainstream media to ask why Sony isn't totally dominating like they did last gen. It's no secret that Something clearly went wrong.
To clarify what I said in my last post (quoted above):
No serious and informed person wonders at this point about whether or not the PS3 was a business failure - it was one, and we all know that now. It's not bad journalism to look for reasons why something that is known to be true is true. He can't very well ask people dependent on Sony "if you'd agree that the PS3 is a business failure, why is it one" because they all have an enormous incentive to lie. And so you've got to ask these people questions that pin them down. Yes, these would be inappropriate questions if asked of an unbiased source, but that's not the case here.
mildewproduction
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BobsRevenge said:
He can speak his mind, but does he really need to tell everyone who does not agree with him to fuck off? Its one thing to be a normal everyday person coming in and cussing up a storm in the forums and another to be someone that can be identified in the industry doing so. How well do you think a team would take it if their star player went on a sports forum and told everyone to fuck themselves? How would most companies take one of their employees communicating in a public place (where many of their customers would be) talking like this about the industry they work in? The fact that he represents his company and is easily identifiable means he should not be acting like a frat boy in this type of setting. It only reflects bad on him and his employer.
GenericPseudonym
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dfyb said:don't know if you've turned on the news, but today's economy sucks balls. and japanese companies that rely heavily on exporting products to external markets get hit again with currency rates. but because you like graphs so much:
Difference being that the perentage decreases are more than a little different.
From a gamer perspective the PS3 is not failing, from a business perspective it is failing, but not yet a complete failure...there's a difference. The only thing you can probably bank on is that the PS3 failed or is failing to re-capture the market share of it's predecessors...but it is yet to be seen if the PS3 is a failure overall.
There's bias in the fact that they went out of their way to find negative Sony related bullet points while at the same time completely ignoring the blatant missteps by their closest competitor.
Has Sony messed up in some ways? Of course. Has Microsoft and Nintendo? Yes as well.
At least Sony has addressed some of the things the journalist brought up (pricing) but compared to something like shameless raping of the consumer by the steel wool dildo of hardware reliability, it seems like they didn't exactly go out of there way to remain balanced.
Has Sony messed up in some ways? Of course. Has Microsoft and Nintendo? Yes as well.
At least Sony has addressed some of the things the journalist brought up (pricing) but compared to something like shameless raping of the consumer by the steel wool dildo of hardware reliability, it seems like they didn't exactly go out of there way to remain balanced.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Member
60_gig_PS3 said:
I think we already know what mainly went wrong....a $600 price right out of the gate, and the key loss of several "previously Sony" exclusive titles (GTA, FFXIII, etc..)
Robert Ashley
Member
"So, Mr. Jaffe, how did the PS3 become the lovable underdog? It seems like it takes a lot of spunk!"
GenericPseudonym
Banned
Master Z said:
What? It is a guaranteed loss of marketshare, it is guaranteed to be unprofitable and it is guaranteed that Sony lost mindshare. I fail to see anyway in which the PS3 was not a total failure.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Gotchaye said:
Let's for a moment assume that it is not premature to speak of the ps3's success or failure in past terms, as you are doing. Let's assume that we can call the game at this point. Don't agree, but whatever.
Then he should have approached me and said, 'I am writing an article on the failure of the PS3, especially in comparison to the past successes Sony has in the console space. Care to offer up some thoughts and insight?'
While I would not have contributed, I would have respected the honesty.
But that is not how he pitched it (as I said in my post).
SolidSnakex
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truly101 said:
Jaffe said a long time ago that he would've removed the BR drive in order to achieve a lower price. He just doesn't seem to be too interested in answering questions on the same subject over and over.
cartoon_soldier
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Good Questions.
KernelPanic
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I see more sensationalism and less journalism in that mail. Mr. Jaffe is right to question it.
I'm not even sure a developer is the best person to ask about the PS3's market position/price and Sony's goals with the platform.
Why don't they e-mail someone who actually works for Sony and was more involved with developing/marketing the system instead of just programming it ?
Of course MSNBC wants to write a piece on his new game .... then I'd say David Jaffe is the person to write to
I'm not even sure a developer is the best person to ask about the PS3's market position/price and Sony's goals with the platform.
Why don't they e-mail someone who actually works for Sony and was more involved with developing/marketing the system instead of just programming it ?
Of course MSNBC wants to write a piece on his new game .... then I'd say David Jaffe is the person to write to
davidjaffe said:
He had the article written and was just looking for some juicy quotes to finish the job. It's probably for the best that you didn't respond. Again, I don't think it means the guy is "biased" against sony-that's just how a lot of journalism is now.
Jive Turkey
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A professional expected to act...Professionally? What nonsense is this???MotherFan said:
Robert Ashley said:
"So, Mr. Jaffe, how did the PS3 become the lovable underdog? It seems like it takes a lot of spunk!"
Jaffe: "Well Larry, the high price at release put it behind the 8 ball from the very beginning. The number of quality, exclusive titles..."
King: "Game developer David Jaffe everyone, we'll be back tomorrow night at 9:00 with actor George Clooney discussing his new film."
No Larry King quote is complete without cutting off the interviewee. That's the best part of the show -- I love how he just talks over the guests and moves on when it's a commercial break or the segment is over.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
MotherFan said:
I only told people to fuck off who were coming down on me...and usually with little
emoticons...but not always.I NEVER get pissed at someone who simply disagrees with me. But I do punch back.
CrushDance
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Unbelievable. So when Itagaki talked trash and even got into legal disputes, he was "The man", when Dyack(Whom I respect a lot) made a huge mistake by giving the clowns here the time of day, he was "Misunderstood" and "Being picked on". But when Jaffe who posts here rather frequently is being wringed out by some of the same people in the previous examples, it's totally fine? he's a shill?MotherFan said:
Guess that explains why he purchases 360 games. M$ must be paying him!
You people keep saying this as if you're blind. What made the PS3=$599 again? Oh yeah! BluRay. What delayed the PS3? Oh yeah! BluRay! And what won the format war? BluRay! How is it a total failure if it accomplished one of the goals that Sony set out to?GenericPseudonym said:
You don't think it was obvious from the questions asked you that that was what the article was about? It seemed to me that your complaint was that he was clearly writing an article on the failure of the PS3 and was asking you questions that assumed that that was the case.
And come on, man - do you seriously believe that there is some near possible world in which Sony makes a profit on this thing?
BenjaminBirdie
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belvedere said:
This reminds me of the words of the great Chuck Todd. "Fair and Balanced" in journalism is bullshit. You're setting out to tell a story. Jaffe has every right to answer these questions in a way that sets the record straight if he feels it needs settling, but if a guy is a suspect for murder, and the guy knows he's innocent, and some reporter asked him about where he got the murder weapon, shouldn't he take the opportunity to say "Dude! I didn't kill anyone!"
Like most other people in the thread, I'd love for someone who works in Sony to answer those questions. It seems obvious that things did not work out as they planned, and I'd love for just one person to explain what it was like as all this was unfolding. The realities of the marketplace back up the line of questioning. It's silly to somehow require that a journalist who in all likelihood was assigned this story somehow give a series of "anti" MS questions to balance things out.
The best course of action would have been for Jaffe to answer these questions and open a new line of dialogue with the reporter as to why this was the approach being taken with the article. Even if the reporter ignored his request, he's enough of a presence on the web that his side of the story would have been told.
Jon_Danger
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I don't think it was that biased. He was basically just bringing up questions that many people had about the console. I mean, I like the PS3 in all, but those questions all seem valid. It is obvious they have made some bad decisions.
I think it is a bit ridiculous that someone would ask a sony partner these questions, thinking they would get some answers. I also think it is in bad taste that Jaffe posted these questions up for everyone to see. If he disagreed with the Journalist, he should have emailed him back and not put up his questions for everyone to see.
I think that the questioning would have come off a lot better if he would have added in some positive questions as well. Such as, What did sony do right? What advantages do you have? How was your partnership going?
I do think that he painted things in a bit of a negative light, but that is nothing to jump on the guy for. He asked some tough questions... in a stupid way, to the wrong person.
I think it is a bit ridiculous that someone would ask a sony partner these questions, thinking they would get some answers. I also think it is in bad taste that Jaffe posted these questions up for everyone to see. If he disagreed with the Journalist, he should have emailed him back and not put up his questions for everyone to see.
I think that the questioning would have come off a lot better if he would have added in some positive questions as well. Such as, What did sony do right? What advantages do you have? How was your partnership going?
I do think that he painted things in a bit of a negative light, but that is nothing to jump on the guy for. He asked some tough questions... in a stupid way, to the wrong person.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Gotchaye said:
Yes- they are close to making a profit already on the hardware. That is the whole reason price has stayed stable.Will they 'beat' the Wii? No way in hell. Not sure at this point, that is the goal.
CrushDance
Banned
Oh please. The game industry is full of people like that. Even the reporters are the same, jokers:lol Jaffe always pulls off those insults and really I don't find it funny or anything, just puzzling. He should probably stop with those remarks.Jive Turkey said:
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Good thing he co-founded his own company then.MotherFan said:
When I see people reason and say to me the Xbox 360 is doing pretty well and also try to make the case that PS3 is in a distant universe of under performance, I scratch my head.Gotchaye said:
OK, so the Xbox 360 is a relative success because the Xbox was an objective failure and PS3 is a relative failure because the PS2 was an objective success? I can dig that. But otherwise there's not much that separates the PS3 and Xbox 360 in terms of sales performance. They're both clobbered by the Wii and it truly is the only success through and through of this cycle.
Also, since you took us down the road, Microsoft is the only company to have not made a net profit in the console business. They're still what, 6 billion down the hole? So either they haven't managed their business particularly well or they're willing to just throw money at it. If it's the latter, why are they now making deep cuts on their internal workforce?
Gotchaye said:
I think anyone can write about whatever they want, but how you conduct your writing/questioning will determine whether or not someone is going to want to talk to you or read your article.
Robert Ashley
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belvedere said:
It's also OK to have a basic understanding of the way the world works instead of making it up after a few bong hits.
yeah, sony fell harder -- due in part to the yen exchange rates. the point is that they are in line with the general trends of today's economy. posting a graph of sony's stocks out of context with the competition and the rest of the economy, when all of them look about the same (check out $compq), is just typical fanboy fallacy.GenericPseudonym said:
I don't think anyone in particular denied that, because what you said was:davidjaffe said:
It really sounds to me like you were arguing that those games would significantly change the outlook for the PS3, and then you changed your stance to "These are pretty cool games" after you were called out for making the "Wait for game X" argument. But hey, maybe I just misinterpreted.
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