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Japanese girl band's Nazi-esque outfits draw fire
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Why would anyone dress like a pilot for Halloween?
AnathemicOne
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lightskintwin
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Nazi pilots.
Looking at the sleeve stripes, can confirm Nazi pilots
Aztechnology
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flintstryker
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Looks pretty cool to me, then again I always liked the designs of old army uniforms
iRAWRasaurus
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Actually "know" - by know I mean I know the name and face and heard about due to association from high school - that dressed up as a Nazi for Halloween one year.
tearsofash
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Plenty of Japanese Visual Kei bands do this, I don't see how this is any different.
I'm a sucker for Nazi uniforms, so i'm not bothered by this (even though they aren't really Nazi uniforms). It's probably the most iconic war uniform there is. From a pure visual standpoint, i like this.
Is it smart to wear for fun, halloween etc? Not by a long shot, but Japan gonna Japan and doesn't give a fuck.
Is it smart to wear for fun, halloween etc? Not by a long shot, but Japan gonna Japan and doesn't give a fuck.
Beer Monkey
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Other than them looking like Nazi uniforms.
I remember the anime GATE and how it seems to be very revisionist while painting the rest of the world as evil. There was even a panel in the manga (that I'm not sure if it made it into the anime), where they basically imply that Japan has never subjugated anyone before. Honestly the undertones made me drop the series.
Yeah that aesthetic is a staple in anime. And as long as there is no Swastika or other forbidden symbols on it... whatever.
I don't get the current upset with costumes these days.
Due to it being black with a eagle on the hat?
Disregarding the sleeve stripes it doesn't look all that much like a German officer outfit (looks like a dark version of the pilot uniform posted previously), and even if it did, there's no swastikas and shit on it so who cares?
They look badass.
Crash Station
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Not surprised by this in the least. Nazi symbolism and fashion seems to be an icon of punk/metal culture over there.
And based on my own discussions with people when I visited Osaka, this is a legit example of "they don't know any better." The education system and the government in general's covering of WWII is absolute shit.
Japan's lack of tact for things that hadn't negatively affected them is pretty infamous. It's very much a cultural thing and why shit like this is "okay" while saying anything about or depicting the atom bombs is deemed extremely offensive.
It seems to be getting better though, but I imagine Abe needs to go before faster progress can be made.
And based on my own discussions with people when I visited Osaka, this is a legit example of "they don't know any better." The education system and the government in general's covering of WWII is absolute shit.
Japan's lack of tact for things that hadn't negatively affected them is pretty infamous. It's very much a cultural thing and why shit like this is "okay" while saying anything about or depicting the atom bombs is deemed extremely offensive.
It seems to be getting better though, but I imagine Abe needs to go before faster progress can be made.
With Abe in power, I'm not especially surprised by Japanese people screwing up with this stuff, at best the guy is a... nationalist. This legit surprised me though:
Edit: Wasn't Abe's Dad or Granddad in charge of an army run brothel or something? I swear that was a thing. Then the guy spends a crap ton of money to revise history for some reason.
Pretty sure Korea is well aware of the Japanese occupation, how does this happen? I mean, even if there isn't European imagery associated with the occupation, WW2 essentially caused the North/South divide, surely nobody would use that imagery....
Edit: Wasn't Abe's Dad or Granddad in charge of an army run brothel or something? I swear that was a thing. Then the guy spends a crap ton of money to revise history for some reason.
Haunted
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You cannot look at Nazi uniforms from a purely fashion/design standpoint and decide whether they're appropriate just from that - there's too much cultural baggage associated with them (especially this iconic Waffen-SS uniform) to simply ignore every other aspect.
I would think this to be obvious.
But Japan generally has done a piss-poor job of honestly processing their own part in WWII, refusing to engage with their own guilt, refusing to educate future generations properly. With an ongoing active agenda to sweep their own deplorable actions under the rug while focusing on the deplorable actions of others instead, this kind of tone-deaf behaviour by young people who should know better... but don't, is what it leads to.
I would think this to be obvious.
But Japan generally has done a piss-poor job of honestly processing their own part in WWII, refusing to engage with their own guilt, refusing to educate future generations properly. With an ongoing active agenda to sweep their own deplorable actions under the rug while focusing on the deplorable actions of others instead, this kind of tone-deaf behaviour by young people who should know better... but don't, is what it leads to.
FF Seraphim
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Now picture actually people who think this. Its crazy.
I dunno, the Rising Sun seems to fly over here in the West just fine.
RocknRola
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John Kowalski
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soviet uniforms are better anyway
Nothing surprising here. I remember being in Japan and seeing a guy wearing a shirt with the old German flag and the old Japanese flag i.e. the ones used during the war, and underneath it said. "Next time without Italy"
The worst thing is that there is a high possibility that the wearer had no idea what he was promoting.
The worst thing is that there is a high possibility that the wearer had no idea what he was promoting.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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They're probably cosplaying M. Bison!
Something something Tuesday.
Something something Tuesday.
Don't see the issue of Nazi's symbolism being glorified?
I guess people will concern troll about anything.
Messofanego
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Right, so it's a bigger problem than just one edge case.
Nazi uniforms are legitimately cool as fuck, why would you let nazis (who will never rise up again) ruin cool stuff for you? If Hitler played video games, would you stop playing video games to not glorify nazi culture?
Alx
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I wouldn't mind just ignoring it as cultural ignorance to be honest. Had they organized that concert in a western country, it would be a huge faux pas indeed, but in this context it's just a scene costume. It's not like they were spouting racial propaganda, right ?
As a matter of fact I wouldn't mind such symbols being trivialised rather than sacralised, which the current taboo in Europe is reinforcing. In the end it's just a hat.
As a matter of fact I wouldn't mind such symbols being trivialised rather than sacralised, which the current taboo in Europe is reinforcing. In the end it's just a hat.
Messofanego
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I...what...the hell?!
It's hugo boss after all.
Atraveller
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Blind Japan defense force can sod right off.
travisbickle
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I don't see how it's being glorified. They're a Japanese teenage girl pop group, it's used with no subtext whatsoever just an outfit which will be replaced by a school uniform or a airline pilot this time next week ... it's the opposite of glorification
hurricanes
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I think they resemble more of a fashion take on airforce uniform. But given by the Japanese association/fascination with Nazi it is a bit eyebrow raising, to say the least.
It was worn by celebrities on stage. That's a lot of things but not "the opposite of glorification".
WaterAstro
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Is that really Nazi?
That eagle is used for a lot of things.
That eagle is used for a lot of things.
Messofanego
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There are two other things there that give it away it's trying to resemble a Nazi hat. I hope I don't have to spoil it XD
Atraveller
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So did you read anything in this thread?
WaterAstro
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Google pilot hat and you get hats with eagles and braided ropes.
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