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Jason Scrierer says E3 is in major trouble / Sony announcing today that they won't be @ E3
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PS5 being renamed to Sega Saturn 2 confirmed by insider
OutrageousFacts
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ExpandKong
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I was just using the word 'bullshit' as a filler because I'm a vulgar son of a bitch, it's actually pretty good.
GHG
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This is true but they didn't have an E3 conference last year and it didn't result in anything good from their own events.
I'd rather they just pack everything in to E3 like they used to tbh.
EverydayBeast
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Nobody gives a damn about E3.
Isa
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I'd wager Captain Journalism is still butthurt over the data breach and is taking jabs at the ESA through the medium of social media.
Now I personally don't want to see E3 go, I'd love for it to improve and keep going. I think many people overhype themselves and set their expectations too high, and most people lack the mental wherewithal to last a commercial break, much less a company meeting, date, church service, wedding, funeral, essentially anything that isn't some flashy cg megatonalada announcement fest. Besides E3 has been gold for all the memes its unleashed over the years. Tak Fuji is still my favorite, and even last year was good fun with Nintendo's direct and show coverage and MS's was pretty enjoyable as well. Keanu was awesome! What can I say I just love games.
I do expect Sony to have their own event around June though. I can say that many casuals at work though often know nada about State of Play which isn't too great, I think at the least each company would do well to integrate their news and coverage on their dashboards better. I like Nintendo's news section on Switch and I've seen a few ads and links on Xbox but not too much on my PS4. Hopefully next-gen improves on this.
ExpandKong
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How about the four random motherfuckers playing a generic military shooter together and dropping some sweet gamerspeak like NICE SHOT BRO or I COULD USE SOME BACKUP OVER HERE PICK UP THAT SNIPER RIFLE NOOBSLAYER69
thelastword
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E3 has not been the same since they removed booth babes and reorganized the whole show, there was more on floor interaction and gamers of all persuasions came in to have a good time, meet each other, it was a nice festival of hobbyists.....Since then, E3 has just been a place to make announcements, it kinda lost it's soul, the spectacle to be there live......
At this point we have youtube, we have the internet, we have social media and live streaming......Sony can easily do it's own show and pull in more persons that would ever attend an E3, an individual event will pull in the numbers for Sony just the same, if not more, just look at the PS5 logo reactions on twitter......Perhaps nothing lasts forever, I think E3 was a genius idea back then, but things have changed, it's no longer a necessity...….If E3 is so hot, MS should be swimming in mindshare atm, but it's really not.....Sony didn't attend last year and it pulled in more interest in a logo, than a box reveal by MS the year following ....That should be explicable enough......
pr0cs
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It's crazy really, full coverage of their new machine unchallenged
MaximusPayne
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Strange to see these replies on a gaming forum...
trikster40
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Best laugh I've had all day, thanks!
DigitalScrap
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Apple has multiple events each year - they had 3 last year, and 4 in 2018. But yeah, I personally miss E3 being a big event of the year.
It isn't just E3 though - these big trade shows are slowly dying across lots of industries. The Premium Cigar Association show (PCA formally known as IPCPR) just had the four largest cigar manufacturers announce that they won't be attending this year this past Friday.
It seems companies are wising up to the fact that it really isn't a good return on investment to spend all the money on huge elaborate "booth" build outs, the cost of sending tons of people, etc. when they can just announce their new products themselves. Things have simply changed.
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Fbh
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No way, where will they have their live music performances!?!?!?!?!?!
Even though the event has been disappointing these past couple of years, it would still suck to see it continue to loose relevance.
I kinda get the companies though. For the 99.9% of the audience that isn't at the event, getting a pre recorded video or a big and expensive press conference is about the same
To be fair though, the format itself isn't too bad. It's just that Sony has had nothing new to announce for a while.
Once they actually do have new things to talk about I can see them becoming enjoyable. If instead of small scale projects and VR stuff you get a state o of play with, for example, a reveal trailer for Horizon 2, a teaser trailer for Spiderman 2 and the announcement of a new IP, that's be pretty cool.
Even though the event has been disappointing these past couple of years, it would still suck to see it continue to loose relevance.
I kinda get the companies though. For the 99.9% of the audience that isn't at the event, getting a pre recorded video or a big and expensive press conference is about the same
To be fair though, the format itself isn't too bad. It's just that Sony has had nothing new to announce for a while.
Once they actually do have new things to talk about I can see them becoming enjoyable. If instead of small scale projects and VR stuff you get a state o of play with, for example, a reveal trailer for Horizon 2, a teaser trailer for Spiderman 2 and the announcement of a new IP, that's be pretty cool.
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Woo-Fu
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Yes they have. EA hosts events all the time.
You also failed to explain why something "of the scale" of E3 is needed to provide information to the customer? It isn't. Every piece of news we get is already regurgitated by numerous gaming "news" sites. There's nothing to be learned at E3 that can't be learned at publisher/developer events and/or via normal releases of information.
People seem to forget that E3 wasn't even supposed to be for consumers. The consumer side of it is relatively recent.
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DeepEnigma
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
E3 doxxed gaming "journalists"?
Captain Zyrain
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I love E3, I've been for the last 5 years or something, and previously went for like 8 years in the late 90's/early 00's.
It's certainly changed, and probably not for the better.. but things being different isn't automatically terrible.
It's a fun time to take a mini-vacation, hang out with some friends you don't see very often, and just revel in all things nerdy/gaming. I still like the conferences, even if they're not quite what they used to be.
I hope it keeps going.
It's certainly changed, and probably not for the better.. but things being different isn't automatically terrible.
It's a fun time to take a mini-vacation, hang out with some friends you don't see very often, and just revel in all things nerdy/gaming. I still like the conferences, even if they're not quite what they used to be.
I hope it keeps going.
009EspadaSageJay
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When the disaster know as BF5 link me some the only thing they have done on there own is when they do NFS games. Everything else has been announced at either a e3 or a big gaming event EA has never done a direct for upcoming games like Nintendo.
ExpandKong
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99% don't go to E3. Watching a pre-recorded video vs a livestream of an event they spent too much money setting up doesn't make a difference to us.
Potato Chip PRO
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He looked like a massive weeb.... Sony couldn't afford to bring at least one of their countrymen to do this authentically? I wanted to skip that part badly
ExpandKong
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He looked like a massive weeb.... Sony couldn't afford to bring at least one of their countrymen to do this authentically? I wanted to skip that part badly
That dude's Cornelius Boots, a world-renowned expert on the shakuhachi flute and one of the greatest living players of said instrument. He's been playing it since he was nine.
So your assessment is correct, massive weeb lol
Potato Chip PRO
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That's a fact that I was unaware... I feel dumb for dissing a pro.
Silent Duck
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ExpandKong
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That's a fact that I was unaware... I feel dumb for dissing a pro.
To be fair I only know that myself because I was also on the "this looks goofy as shit" train at the time and I saw someone point it out then too, hahah.
odhiex
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Sucks, cause I like E3.
However, I understand why Sony is moving away from E3. It has been said by Layden and other executives, they hate E3's current format. It is too busy, painfully expensive, and they have had less media attention.
Sure, I still love watching press conferences and games announcements.
But now (with my own schedule) I prefer getting gaming news feed every day through many outlets rather than staring at the screen in the middle of the night/ early morning.
However, I understand why Sony is moving away from E3. It has been said by Layden and other executives, they hate E3's current format. It is too busy, painfully expensive, and they have had less media attention.
Sure, I still love watching press conferences and games announcements.
But now (with my own schedule) I prefer getting gaming news feed every day through many outlets rather than staring at the screen in the middle of the night/ early morning.
Vawn
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You mean out sell Xbox? I agree.
Klayzer
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That guy always plays Microsoft is the victim card in every topic. Then follows it up with some Xbox ball washing, plus a heavy dose of fake tough guy internet hostility. Rinse and repeat every single time.
TLZ
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Yea I don't care about E3. We have the internet now and all we need is a simple YouTube video with all trailers and reveals.
Couldn't care less about cringy fakeass crowds and lame jokes. Or the out of place music bands. Or all the shaky presenters.
But it does provide good material for crowbcat though.
Couldn't care less about cringy fakeass crowds and lame jokes. Or the out of place music bands. Or all the shaky presenters.
But it does provide good material for crowbcat though.
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BlackOlivesMatter
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Klayzer
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I know e3 is not as popular like it once was, but its interesting having all three console makers with live shows. Nintendo was the first to pull out of the live show spectacle. Sony is seemingly following suit. How long before Microsoft does the same? Either way, e3 looks to be losing revelence at an alarming rate.
Elenchus
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Explains the attendance shortage.
Attendance was over 66k in 2019. That was 3k less than the 69k in 2018 but still higher than the 50k in 2016 when Sony had reportedly one of its best E3 shows ever.
It was 68k in 2017 so it's up and down from what I see.
Where's the evidence of this massive downward trend again? #GAF-Facts??
E3 attendance drops slightly for 2019
Next year's show set for Los Angeles Convention Centre between June 9th and 11th
You'd think these numbers would be in the OP but oh yes I remember...that's not how propaganda works...
Miyazaki’s Slave
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My first E3 was in 98' (in Atlanta I believe....or Atlanta was the year after) and I have been to a C R A P ton of them and the steady decline isn't a surprise from the way I see things. IMO E3 was always the "CES" of video games, it was a great place for creators to show off upcoming release and get folks excited. At first you could get in and get a booth with a modest investment, and in the early days the booth's came with power and basic items (a table, some chairs, etc).
Then as the games industry grew in value so did the cost of going to E3. Before the floor fell out in 2014 (which I think was the first year the entire show was open to general attendees not just the last day....cannot remember exactly) it was prohibitively expensive to get a booth space (did not include ANYTHING....not even drapery for areas around you), fly your team out, get hotel rooms, and then spend even more money on getting access to advertise (press flesh with the media) while you are there.
The internet (twitter, snapchat, vine, instagram, youtube, facebook) makes it SO easy to reach out to your community now that for mid to small sized publishers or developers its crazy to spend that kind of dough to show off a game that will in most cases get lost in a sea of other games. Unless MS, NIN, Sony, or a big name publisher is attaching your product to their plans it becomes really hard to get noticed without spending a years worth of Payroll in the process.
As far as the public getting access to E3.....well there is PAX for that. It's much cheaper and you are going there specifically TO MEET your community. At E3 you want access to the media to help market your product and they lost that as a USP for their product offering....you can do it better and cheaper somewhere else.
Don't even get me started on their priority points system for return exhibitors.....whew that was/is a mess.
Then as the games industry grew in value so did the cost of going to E3. Before the floor fell out in 2014 (which I think was the first year the entire show was open to general attendees not just the last day....cannot remember exactly) it was prohibitively expensive to get a booth space (did not include ANYTHING....not even drapery for areas around you), fly your team out, get hotel rooms, and then spend even more money on getting access to advertise (press flesh with the media) while you are there.
The internet (twitter, snapchat, vine, instagram, youtube, facebook) makes it SO easy to reach out to your community now that for mid to small sized publishers or developers its crazy to spend that kind of dough to show off a game that will in most cases get lost in a sea of other games. Unless MS, NIN, Sony, or a big name publisher is attaching your product to their plans it becomes really hard to get noticed without spending a years worth of Payroll in the process.
As far as the public getting access to E3.....well there is PAX for that. It's much cheaper and you are going there specifically TO MEET your community. At E3 you want access to the media to help market your product and they lost that as a USP for their product offering....you can do it better and cheaper somewhere else.
Don't even get me started on their priority points system for return exhibitors.....whew that was/is a mess.
DeepEnigma
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Attendance was over 66k in 2019. That was 3k less than the 69k in 2018 but still higher than the 50k in 2016 when Sony had reportedly one of its best E3 shows ever.
It was 68k in 2017 so it's up and down from what I see.
Where's the evidence of this massive downward trend again? #GAF-Facts??
E3 attendance drops slightly for 2019
Next year's show set for Los Angeles Convention Centre between June 9th and 11thwww.google.com
You'd think these numbers would be in the OP but oh yes I remember...that's not how propaganda works...
Can't a joke be just a damned joke?
Fox Mulder
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if it dies, it dies.
companies can stream out their own events and the same journalists will show up. I just skim trailers on YouTube instead of watching a 2 hour show of trailers and cringe.
companies can stream out their own events and the same journalists will show up. I just skim trailers on YouTube instead of watching a 2 hour show of trailers and cringe.
HE1NZ
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Cute new narrative.
imsosleepy
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watch the video views on youtube for e3 reveals, they are usually MUCH higher then when they release trailers when its not at e3. also the coverage is much less. its a week full focus by EVERYBODY in the games industry.
Also e3 is the time when I see lots of game news on the big mainstream news site here in my country as well
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