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[Replicant]

Someone needs to bullet point what Total Biscuit is saying because I will not listen to that man.

Not worth listening. I mean, does anyone else seriously still listen to what he says post Xbone-DRM-Gate? The man has no credibility.

 

[Nanashrew]

Like fucking clockwork. Called it that one of these YouTube dudes would do the "media is bad" spin to justify Jon visibly fucking up and making even his subreddit uncomfortable, his dedicated fan site, before an article ever ran.

Yep. He is traaaaassshhh.

Has been since GamerGate when he said "the death threats Anita are receiving aren't real, because quite frankly, she's still alive"

 

[Voras]

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context

- didn't include citations

- is a hit piece

- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape

- is against free speech

- is inciting harassment

- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube

etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

He also says that a Youtuber's political views aren't relevant or newsworthy. And then he tried to claim that this wasn't a defense of JonTron. There's also a lot of other terrible rationalizing about things completely unrelated to this whole issue. I've never really followed the stuff TB does but he seems terrible.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I knew TB was a gator, but "defending" this is another level of lunacy.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Odds Arin or anyone else who's worked with Jon will comment on this? I'm betting that no one says a word.

Personally I wouldn't really need or require​Arin to comment given that he was only partnered with Jon for a year or so, and that was like four years ago, before Jon started spouting off this shit on the regular.

 

[TI82]

All these youtubers are trash these days. Jon is hilarious but what a tool.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context

- didn't include citations

- is a hit piece

- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape

- is against free speech

- is inciting harassment

- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube

etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

Christ

 

[LionPride]

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context

- didn't include citations

- is a hit piece

- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape

- is against free speech

- is inciting harassment

- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube

etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

Oh damn

 

[necrosis]

I don't follow TB, what did he say/do?

in short he insulted gizmodo for reporting on this shit w/ jontron bc "gizmodo was a part of gawker and gawker bad"

 

[NandoGip]

The TB thing also goes on to say that you should divorce artist from art. Does disagree with jontron a few times but mostly defends his "right to say it"

Edit: he doesnt agree with jontrons views

 

[ferunnico]

Of course it's true. TB has been a total shithead for years. Like, literally no one should be surprised that he's totally fine with Jon being a garbage person.

Like seriously, it's always the same people and yet somehow folks are still surprised.

I know TB is not especially liked around here, but I do enjoy his content a lot. I don't know much about his political beliefs, but he often seems pretty liberal and he was very anti-Trump and wrote a long rant after he won. So I don't know why he is defending JonTron. I haven't listened to his audio blog yet, don't know if I will.

 

[WadeitOut]

I'm just really glad my parents gave birth to me in the 80s so I got to miss out on all of this garbage V-log trash.

 

[benicillin]

This is such a bizarre audio blog.

"Y-yeah Jontron said some things but this article by an ex-Gawker affiliate is also bad!"

I'm normally pretty far at the head of the Gawker-bashing train but this is such a sleazy way to try and defend Jontron without actually tackling anything he actually said.

Aka this is literally what he did through all of GamerGate. His behavior should surprise exactly 0 people. Zoe Quinn and others have been living proof of this for years now.

 

[LowParry]

Not worth listening. I mean, does anyone else seriously still listen to what he says post Xbone-DRM-Gate? The man has no credibility.

2 minutes was enough to stop listening.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Yep. He is traaaaassshhh.

Has been since GamerGate when he said "the death threats Anita are receiving aren't real, because quite frankly, she's still alive"

Don't forget the "I'm receiving death threats too!! I can deal with it, so she should!"

 

[Seiniyta]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

 

[MrHoot]

It's the one thing that annoys me even way more than JT's shitty tirade is all his pals who go around coddling him "No but he's such a tolerant guy in real life for real". You can SEE they want to disagree but the're so fucking spineless and go all hugs and kisses to not fraught JT's fragile sensibility.

If they were actually confronting him in the first place when it mattered we wouldn't be in this fucking situation. But no, it's the media's fault. It's the left's fault. It's the SJW's fault. We're being divisive, not them being assholes. Give me a freaking BREAK over this pseudo intellectualist "middle ground" bullshit. When the middle ground is just freaking taking it and go "oooooh well i don't agree but he's entitled and we should never ever attack someone on his opinions except by following this very strict guidelines or he'll be flustered". Fucking dammit.

I understand when they can come from and I understand the crux of the argument but come ON is it SO Hard to just go "Yeah, what he said was some insane bullshit" ? Like straight up ? What does it take ?

 

[stephen08]

I didn't listen to all of it but TB does disavow at least some of what Jon said (the wealthy black man commits more crimes than the poorest white man bit) and that he does not agree with Jon. He also crticizes Gizmodo for reaching out to Jontron and that for comment but publishing less than 10 minutes later. He alludes that they may update but it will be in another article which serves their own interests.

Not to say TB is innocent or anything but at the very least it doesn't seem to be a straight up defense of Jon.

 

[KojiKnight]

So Jon lost 50k subscribers earlier today, we have a new count yet?

 

[Breads]

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context

- didn't include citations

- is a hit piece

- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape

- is against free speech

- is inciting harassment

- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube

etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

Don't forget

- He isn't Rex Tillerson

 

[CreeperBlocks]

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context

- didn't include citations

- is a hit piece

- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape

- is against free speech

- is inciting harassment

- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube

etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

What the fuck.... these past few hours have been headache inducing.

 

[Kinsei]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

Yeah, that totally had nothing to do with people like TB supporting them.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Ouch. I don't give this guy a lot of attention but I had no idea how hard he leaned into the bullshit. Thanks for the summary.

I didn't even get into him implying that immigration is a Jewish plot.

 

[Sou Da]

The TB thing also goes on to say that you should divorce artist from art. Does disagree with jontron a few times but mostly defends his "right to say it"

Edit: he doesnt agree with jontrons views

The most positive read you can possibly get from that blog is that Jon is TB's friend and he wants to downplay the story so that Jon doesn't lose anything like PDP did.

 

[Armaros]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

He normalizes what Jon and his fellow alt-right compatriots say by always going to a 'whatabout the media???!?!!'

 

[MrJoobJoob]

He also says that a Youtuber's political views aren't relevant or newsworthy. And then he tried to claim that this wasn't a defense of JonTron. There's also a lot of other terrible rationalizing about things completely unrelated to this whole issue.

Right, I actually left some of the more odious stuff out. He also ends with a good dose of "both sides have jerks," and then the whole "why is Gizmodo writing about this when there are real problems out there" (I know that's a common fallacy but I forget the name).

Finally, he wraps up by saying liberal media is bullying people into far right radicalism.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Tommy DJ]

Reminder that Total Biscuit wrote this garbage on Something Awful a long, long time ago. Guess what, Total Biscuit was an idiot back then and is still an idiot now:

I finally registered on the SA forums a week or so ago having been a loyal reader for a couple of years. I don't like the new design of the site, I want to kill it with fire, I liked my good-old Web1.0 scrolly site, give it back please.

I'm posting this here because you lot are smart, and as such, I have no issues with you telling me that you think I'm wrong with this pseudo-rant. This may also be preaching to the choir a bit and for that I sincerely apologize. I hope at least you get some enjoyment out of this. If you're one of those fellows who likes to Digg, the article also has a Digg page, do with it as you see fit - http://digg.com/general_sciences/At...you_intelligent
With that said and done, here goes.

"It's novello time, and it's about religion, so unless you're ready to deal with some views you may not agree with, switch off now. In the words of Illidan "You are not prepared".
Let's get this out here right now. I'm a 23 year old law graduate with an IQ of 155. My political beliefs are liberal and leftist, I listen to Metal and I enjoy violent movies, books and videogames, and I've been a Christian since birth. Baptised, confirmed of my own free will, son of a priest (who are pretty notorious for rebelling against their father's religious beliefs just for the sake of it). I'm part of the Anglican Church of England, which is pretty much the result of Henry the 8th getting pissed off with the catholics not allowing him to divorce his wife(s). We're the state religion of the UK, if you could even say the UK has one, we're pretty liberal about most things, women priests, gay priests, homosexuals in general, sex before marriage, contraception, we take the modern, reasonable way of looking at all of them. At the end of the day, the Bible taught us about forgiveness and being excellent to one another. It had a bit of a round-about way of doing it but what do you expect for a 2000 year old book written entirely by clerical males? It's gonna be a bit out of date, you've gotta read it in context.

I have no problems with anyone's beliefs. Be whatever you want, as long as you believe (or don't believe) for a good reason. But here's what I really don't like, trend-atheism/trend-theism (also referred to as e-atheism, since it seems to be most prevelant in the domain of anonymous blogspammers and Digg-users).

In my late teens, I spent a long time thinking. Yeah, just sitting around and thinking, thinking about faith. Thinking about what it is that I believe in. Rationalizing the various conflicts and contradictions that faith presents us with, looking at the viewpoints of other faiths, or those with no faith at all, taking into account the new things we discover every day and factoring in the influence of science. Some people would claim that, if I had indeed done that, I'd have come to the conclusion, as an intellectual, rational thinker, that God does not exist. They would of course, be wrong.

My beliefs center around several factors. Firstly, it is important for us as human-beings to realize our own limits, and the limits of our understanding. Centuries ago we believed the world was flat. "The Bible told us so!", would be the first cry. Wrong, it really didn't. In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. The Old Testament, you remember that one? The one with the fiery bushes, the pillar's of salt, the cool plagues and such? Even that managed to get it right. There's a few more references as well to the 'round' earth (and before you say anything, flat is not a shape, it could have been a flat octagon for all they knew) but I'm not going to go into that yet. We've had computers for less than a century, powered flight for just over a century and of course our amazing horseless carriages. Genetics, electricity, nuclear-bombs, toaster-strudel, the world is in the palm of our hands! And it didn't take us too long did it?

Reality-check, we're still primitives. In the great scheme of things this technology is a mere blip on the historical radar. We've got an awful long way to go before we're able to dissect and understand the mysteries of the universe. We haven't even put a man on Mars yet, let alone left our solar system to find out what exactly is out there. How can it be that we have suddenly, so recently, become so arrogant as to believe we know more than we really do? The Laws of Science are written by man, based on our understanding of how things work. They are theories that, while prove true today, may be debunked by another amazing discovery tomorrow. Which leads onto my next point.

Name this quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Arthur C Clarke, physicist and author, smart fellow. It also hilights the point I'm making. Our understanding of the universe is peerless only amongst ourselves. We are not as smart as we think we are. Just as fire wowed the neanderthals, what would it take to wow us? What would make our jaws drop and our minds boggle? Well, any sufficiently advanced technology of course. And what is technology after-all? Man-made machines. The concept of technology is a human concept, a concept that may, in other parts of the universe, not even exist, replaced by something even more advanced than that, so advanced that we cannot comprehend it. Not surprising really as we mammals only use 10% of our brains.

So where am I going with this? Simple really, take yourself off of your high-horse, you, and the human race, is not as smart as it thinks it is. Now, open your mind a little, and let's explore some possibilities.

The definition of a God. Let us turn to the good book Wikipedia.
"God most commonly refers to the deity worshipped by followers of monotheistic and monolatrist religions, whom they believe to be the creator and ruler of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the various conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, perfect goodness, divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal, a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent"

Hmm, a tall order one might think. Could such a being exist? Some argue that logically, he could not, however, there is very little logic in denying the possibility that a being or beings of such power and advancement exist that they could indeed, be considered 'God' within our definition. That's not to say that God is a small green alien with a flying saucer and a phaser though that would give some of the overzealous fundamentalists something to sweat over, much to our amusement. But what is this God? A creator? Sure, we create. We create technology, we're getting to the stage of being able to create life in one form or another, using the basic building blocks of nature. Could it not be surmised therefore that it is entirely within the realms of possibility that someone or something created those building blocks? Like a programmer creates a new program, someone must have also created the coding language in which he created it. We scramble for answers. We come up with theories. Some believe in the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. Some believe a man in the sky created it everything in 6 days and then mooched around on the 7th. Which is valid?

Neither, and both. They attempt to apply meaning to something where meaning may, or may not exist. Creationism and the Big Bang are in that sense, as bad as each other. They are both merely attempts for us to explain the unexplainable. The Big Bang contradicts our laws of physics (something most catalyse an explosion, therefore something must have been there in the first place, where did that come from, at which point your brain melts). The Creation Story contradicts our laws of physics (Same reasons, who created God after all?). Everything we've so far managed to come up with, from the sublime to the ridiculous, the complex to the simplistic, it's an exercise in desperate straw-clutching. At the end of the day, we don't know jack.

And that's ok. Someone once said that the journey matters more than the destination, it's not the winning, it's the taking part, at least ya tried sport. These explanations of where it all comes from, be they ancient or modern all boil down to the same need. To know. Who'd have thunk it, we've got brains for a reason, and they rather like being used. Those neurons like to be fired, the little grey matter likes a little exercise every once in a while. Just as the Creation Story was a way to explain an unexplainable concept, so is the Big Bang theory. If one were to compare the human mind to a computer, try feeding the Big Bang theory to the medieval man, and it's like trying to shove Bioshock into a Commodore Vic20. Good luck. And what will our children's children's children's grandchildren's children think of our Big Bang theory? My money's on exactly the same thing.

So what am I trying to tell you, stop asking questions, stop looking for answers and just believe whatever the hell suits ya? Absolutely not. Believe whatever suits you, but question it, never stop thinking, never stop asking or learning. In this day and age it seems people are way too willing to believe, or not believe. Belief, or non-belief should be a life-long arduous process and it should end involuntarily, when you fall over dead. Someone (there's a lot of talkative someone's aren't there?) once said 'Never stop believing', I say, "Never stop asking yourself what you believe, and why".
It's time to criticize, so let me load port and starboard cannon and fire a volley at both atheists and theists alike. Believing, or not believing, does not make you intelligent. Smart people do not come to a conclusion on the basis of insubstantial evidence. Smart people do not mindlessly attack other people's beliefs just because they don't conform to their own. Smart people do not assume that their own rigid, poorly formed definitions of logic and faith, reason and belief are mutually exclusive and that if one exists, the other cannot. Smart people think outside the box, not pick fights with those poor souls trapped in it.

What makes you intelligent, is knowing why you believe what you believe. Knowing that you are but one mind, and knowing that at any time you could be proven wrong, only for that person to be proven wrong ad infinitum as we as a race advance.
I suppose you're waiting for my personal beliefs, waiting for this to be some kind of sermon, preaching why my God is better than your God, or non-God. You'll be waiting a long time, because it's not coming. My personal beliefs are just that, personal, they're mine, they belong to me. You cannot take them away from me, only I can. What I can give you though, are my opinions.

Right now shots are being fired. They're not physical shots, they're bullets and shells of ignorance and bigottry. And it's no one-sided battle let me tell you that much. Factionalized camps everywhere you can imagine. Atheists, Theists, Satanists, Christians, Republicans, Democrats, Capitalists, Communists, every group you can imagine, all shouting 'Your God/Non-God sucks, mine is better!'. These days, the internet's become their battleground. So much for sharing knowledge, we're sharing ignorance.

The bigottry and the condemnation has to stop. The sad thing is, I'm having to condemn the condemners. Isn't it lowsy how you generally have to be a hypocrite in order to make a point these days? Food for thought. We can look at the extremes and see the simplistic, secular vs sacred, trend-atheists vs fundamentalist evangelical christians, the most common stereotypes. But in reality, it's so much more complicated than that. It's this stereotyping and narrow-minded attitude that prevents us as a race from achieving the greatness we can. I could make as many decrees as I wanted till I was blue in the face, and I'm going to just to let off a little steam mind you,

"Trend-atheist Digg users, shove your agendas where the sun don't shine, refusing the possibility of a supreme-being does not make you a genius or a radical thinker, it makes you a bloody sheep hiding behind a cloak of anonymity"

"Evangelical Fundamentalist morons, get your overly simplistic, judgmental, dogmatic Crayola God out of my face, you have about as much understanding of the universe as a wet lettuce. That does not make you holy, pure, or guaranteed a private booth at the big game in the sky, it makes you a bloody sheep hiding behind a cloak of propaganda that you only believe because you're told to"

Wow, that feels good, I can understand why you internet-bound condemners like it so much. Gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling doesn't it? What, I'm not allowed to indulge in such a guilty pleasure every once in a while? Play fair Wink

Where's my conclusion? Hell if I know. Did you have the mistaken impression this was some carefully constructed plea for tolerance? Absolutely not, it's an angry slap in the face to my peers. Wake the hell up and use your brain, because my God/Non-god/Explosion/Man-in-the-sky/Vic20 gave you it for a reason.

TB.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

He also says that a Youtuber's political views aren't relevant or newsworthy. And then he tried to claim that this wasn't a defense of JonTron. There's also a lot of other terrible rationalizing about things completely unrelated to this whole issue.

...Well, if he actually believes it's irreverent, then why is he offering his take on it instead of shutting the fuck up?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

So Jon lost 50k subscribers earlier today, we have a new count yet?

Watch the count live here.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/jontronshow/realtime

 

[Jonboy]

Tried to watch a few minutes of the "debate," but couldn't get through it. Feel like I lost way too many brain cells by simply listening.

 

[grim-tales]

in short he insulted gizmodo for reporting on this shit w/ jontron bc "gizmodo was a part of gawker and gawker bad"

Thank you Listening now.

 

[ferunnico]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

Okay, that sounds a lot more like TB than the previous summary and is somewhat reasonable.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Total Biscuit just uploaded an audio blog.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/841420106186010625



Props to Destiny to be able to hold his composure and make valid points during an argument like this. It's very difficult to do.

Total Biscuit being a scumbag? Color me surprised!

If this is true, then fuck TB. What a shithead.

WTF do you mean if true? Listen to the audio that was linked if you don't believe him...

 

[vcc]

The TB thing also goes on to say that you should divorce artist from art. Does disagree with jontron a few times but mostly defends his "right to say it"

Edit: he doesnt agree with jontrons views

His 'art' is selling his personality and commentary. So if both of them are tainted with stuff it does taint his 'art'.

 

[Spman2099]

"I'm going to try really hard to defend Jon's views without explicitly doing it". There's the summary.

It is funny that he is calling Gizmodo out on cherry picking, but then goes on to dance around Jon's genuinely, undeniably racist comments.

This is such a bad look for TB...

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

I mean, does the article says any lie? The damn stream is posted as well. What's out of context?. Destiny provides more than enough arguments against the lunacy of Jontron's arguments.

And also, you don't need factual information to call someone a racist.

Is a weird thing to focus on Gizmodo, instead of what your JT said.

 

[luulubuu]

Personally I wouldn't really need or require​Arin to comment given that he was only partnered with Jon for a year or so, and that was like four years ago, before Jon started spouting off this shit on the regular.

He kinda did, he liked this tweet.

 

[Gestault]

Total Biscuit just uploaded an audio blog.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/841420106186010625

I love the pre-emptive, insincere defensiveness in the description:

" Anyone who believes this is somehow a defense of Jontron and his views has clearly either not listened to a word I said during this recording or is going out of their way to lie."

TB's immediate and persistent attack on the messenger rather than actually addressing the subject and content of the article is an obvious defense of Jontron. Among the points against the "hit piece" reporting of what happened with Jontron is: "the site makes money using advertising." He goes into a stunted point-by-point defense of Jontron by attacking the authors, using the "missed opportunities" angle, and the "they're jealous of his wealth" premise, among many other gems. This whole script has the structure of a Sean Hannity segment, and that's no exageration.

TB insists on "divorcing an artist from his art," meaning in this case media should not respond to wide-reaching declarations by celebrities. Which is a cowardly and nonsensical response to a personality-based celebrity using that position to attempt to make legal and social change. I DO think people can and should attempt to bring about change for the better when they have the motivation, position and audience of someone like Jontron. But it's the job of the media and audiences to criticize those attempts, exactly like we've seen here.

Total Biscuit is suggesting that criticism is inappropriate. He lyingly says it's really about how they criticized Jontron, but the majority of his points are alien to that point. Total Biscuit's commentary here is trash.

 

[MrJoobJoob]

...Well, if he actually believes it's irreverent, then why is he offering his take on it instead of shutting the fuck up?

Remember, he's not a journalist so he's free to comment on anything with impunity to his hundreds of thousands of followers. He can even discuss in detail a stranger's sex life, making sure to include her full name, and it's totally cool 'cuz he's not a journalist!

 

[Big Nikus]

While I didn't say anything regarding half of the points you made (heh), of course I watched the video. It might very well be I've been reading too much into it, since, as you said, it was at the height of all the gamergate horseshit. Again, it's mostly a feeling and I'd love to be wrong since I normally love the guy.

I'm on the same boat.

Is there something I missed with AVGN outside of the GB nonreview? He didn't say anything offensive. I mean sure, his reasoning was childish despite his tone being calm, but I didn't get anything sexist out of it.

No, he didn't say anything offensive. I guess it's the current climate that makes me, Bufbaf and other fans of James a bit worried. And it sucks that it comes to this. So many people I respected turned out to be scumbags, it's disheartening. James Rolfe is a great guy, it's not only "my favorite youtuber", I'm just a huge fan of the guy, period. There wasn't anything bad in his Ghostbusters non-review, but to me the issue comes from his acquaintances. He's friend with JonTron apparently, and he also had AlphaOmegaSin a number of times on his channel, who is a disgusting gamergater POS. It can be hard to not judge people base on the people they like or put forward (like PewDiePie giving props to Sargon of Akkad...).. So at some point it would just put my mind at ease if I heard James take a stance against all this vile shit. He doesn't have to, but unfortunately, with so many youtubers turning out to be crazy assholes, and James accepting some of them on his channel... there's this fucking doubt, and it's legit making me mad that it has come to me having doubts about a guy like James Rolfe that I like and admire...
So the best thing I can tell myself is "he doesn't give a shit about any of this, he's 100% apolitical and just focus on his life, his work and his family."
But it would be even better if I knew that he thinks that people like JonTron and AlphaOmegaSin are mysoginists pieces of shit. Again, I respect his right to not talk about anything outside of movies and games. It's just... so many people who seemed decent turned out to be disappointing scumbags these last few years :/
I've unsubscribed from JonTron, PewDiePie and others, it sucks, I really liked JonTron a few years ago, but I can't watch him anymore and laugh at his videos. But I can live with it and move on. It may sound really stupid to some but if it happened with Rolfe I would be genuinely heartbroken.

 

[Gattsu25]

TB's angle mostly seems to be "what about Gizmodo though" and "JonTron's opinions aren't news". It's complete deflection from anything to do with what Jon actually said, because that's not really the "important" thing here.

TB sees Gizmodo as competition and fell down the gamergate rabbit hole headlong because 1) he's a dirt bag and 2) it benefits him if his viewers trust him more than "them".

 

[Froli]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head
.

Can you give the time stamp for this ones?

 

[Real Hero]

Okay, that sounds a lot more like TB than the previous summary and is somewhat reasonable.

Why is trying to make a random article the news and not the crazy racist outburst?

 

[Lightning_Roller]

TB can go fuck a damn cactus.

 

[gngf123]

TB does in fact say "Do I believe the things he said? No of course not." in the audio blog. He even calls himself a "british lefty", which is fucking laughable at this point.

But instead of actually talking about it, he just mentions it for 2-3 seconds and then spends the rest of the time just attacking Gizmodo, and significantly underplays everything Jontron said. That's not agreeing with JT exactly, it's a deliberate redirection of any anger away from him and towards Gizmodo instead.

 

[Toxi]

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

JonTron's views aren't bizarre. They're routine white supremacy talking points. JonTron got them by hanging out with white supremacists.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)

I think a more important factor of that problem is the guy with 3 million subscribers espousing white supremacy.

 

[D4Danger]

c'mon man why even bother. it's gizmodo. Hulk Hogan's penis already destroyed them.

this isn't even low-hanging fruit he just picked it off the floor.

 

[Gestault]

Can you give the time stamp for this ones?

I think TB's points on this issue are fundementally bunk, but I heard him out:

- 9:20 for the "I'm a British leftie"

- 9:30 for the stuff being thoroughly bizarre

TB does in fact say "Do I believe the things he said? No of course not." in the audio blog. He even calls himself a "british lefty", which is fucking laughable at this point.

But instead of actually talking about it, he just mentions it for 2-3 seconds and then spends the rest of the time just attacking Gizmodo, and significantly underplays everything Jontron said. That's not agreeing with JT exactly, it's a deliberate redirection of any anger away from him and towards Gizmodo instead.

Precisely.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Watch the count live here.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/jontronshow/realtime

Why did I just watch this for 5 min straight?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

It's amsuing how few people actually take the effort listening and make dumb replies.

This is what he says a bit later on:

- Doesn't agree with Jon Tron in the slighest. He considers himself a Brittish leftie

- Finds Jon Tron's view quite frankly bizarre and wonders how he got them in in his head

- That being said, he seperates the art from the artist because otherwise he wouldn't be able to enjoy a lot anymore since if you go to the source of a lot of media, the creators often don't have great view either.

- Finds Gizmodo's article very poor because they asked for comment 10 minutes before the article went up. Lack of rebuttals to what JonTron said by factual information.

- Finds Gizmodo part of the problem that created the alt-right/white nationalism among gamers. (a surprising vunerable group)


Some of the stuff he says I'm a bit 'eh, a bit of a stretch'. But in no way is he defending JonTron of what he said. But he seems more annoyed at how poorly the article is written overall.

british lefty my hairy asshole. dude is as reactionary as they come