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[Jinfash]

ok i have a question since a lot of you have already tried the game by now:

do you think that the bad parts of the game were due to design/creative choices and decisions or is it a product that any dev who had problems with the game engine would end up with? (in other words: blame Epic, yay or nay?)

 

[LCfiner]

My avatar has proven to be most versatile.

some more random thoughts on the demo:

why do all the "wolves" sound exactly like Halo Marines? what is this universe actually like? It doesn't feel consistent (limited glimpse of the story, obviously)

I wish they sounded more like Northern Europe and less like, y'know, Southern Ontario. :\

 

[Cianalas]

Just finished it. It didn't seem bad but it wasn't anything spectacular. The right stick melee combat is a bit awkward at times. I'd give it an 8.2 or so. Would I recommend it to someone else? I don't know?

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

well that wraps it up for TH... im sadden by this

If you honestly don't think that the game is any good, then you really were never anticipating it in the first place. This game is insanely good. Anyone trying to pass off what is present in that demo as a terrible game or a game that isn't worth giving a shot to is really trying too hard to hate the game. It feels better than many games we've gotten this gen and that's the honest to god truth.

The polish is not breaking down any borders nor is it a game that will probably make people pop out of their seat and go WOW, except in some cases, like shot of world tree, but the game is incredibly good in a number of ways that, to me, are just undeniable.

I already anticipated there would be some ready to give this game a thumbs down, but what I didn't know is that they would be doing it to a game that seems as good as this one is. Get past the presentation and tech in this game not making you jump for fanboy joy, but this game is executed very well. It's time people admit that much.

Edit :: LCfiner, the limited glimpse we DID get of the story was fantastically presented. People are honestly going to tell me the scene where Baldur had a flashback and then we get a glimpse of the hall of heroes with the odin statue, wasn't well done? The dialogue during baldur's walk to get to heimdall's office wasn't really good?

People praise Halo and games like Gears for cheesy lines of dialogue either in their actual story or from characters and I see a game in Too Human that does it just as well, WHILE tossing what appears to be a better script dialogue and people have only negative things to say about that? Something is wrong here. :lol

 

[LaneDS]

Wasn't terrible but wasn't amazing, I'd give it a 7 or an 8. The combat was fun but the super slow menus really irked me, the camera was shitty but I've played (and enjoyed) games with worse.

I dug that Baldur's voice was the same actor who did Albedo's in the Xenosaga games. Story seems alright, would need to play the whole thing to get a better feel for it. Won't buy it at launch but might play it down the road on the cheap.

 

[thetrin]

My avatar has proven to be most versatile.

some more random thoughts on the demo:

why do all the "wolves" sound exactly like Halo Marines? what is this universe actually like? It doesn't feel consistent (limited glimpse of the story, obviously)

I wish they sounded more like Northern Europe and less like, y'know, Southern Ontario. :\

Southern Ontario. :lol

So true.

 

[Pizza Luigi]

So, I just played this and when I started it up I was like : WTF is this? A fucking XBLA game?

The presentation is really, really bad and unprofessional. The cutscenes don't seem to add something to the game or story.

I liked the in-game cutscenes, in which you can move, while the camera is doing weird things, but the combat on the other hand didn't feel good. You're just shooting somewhere and you can't aim up or down. Doesn't the main character have those moves yet?

Oh, and the camera....jezus, this is 2008 guys.

 

[Developer in Training]

It's no surprise that you're giving this game an A+ given all your past posts, CowboyAstronaut, but please end shoving your opinion down peoples' throats.

 

[besada]

If you honestly don't think that the game is any good, then you really were never anticipating it in the first place. This game is insanely good.

And that's your opinion. You've expressed it in depth, so please kindly let others dothe same without calling them trolls or suggesting an agenda, before people start doing the same to you.

In short, grow the fuck up.

 

[SarBear]

It's no surprise that you're giving this game an A+ given all your past posts, CowboyAstronaut, but please end shoving your opinion down peoples' throats.

Quoted for emphasis.

 

[Vish]

Just got done playing as well.

The only real negative complaints that I have are against the camera and to a lesser extent the dialogue (which takes me out of the "story"). Speaking of the demo story, I could care less about it or its meh presentation, no big deal though, I wont knock.

Once I stopped mashing I found the combat system to be decent, slightly fun, but lacks interesting mechanics. The loot and customization systems are average as well.

At this point I wont buy as the demo just wasn't fun to me, nor was it terrible.

*Goes back to D2 addiction*.

 

[mambadragon]

just remembered I have a month free XBL Gold from GTA4, so I'll be giving the demo a try tonight

 

[mentalfloss]

The NeoGAF - 1
The Dyack - 0

 

[JBuccCP]

Have to download later. MS conference starting now.

 

[Pseudo judo]

I'm guessing 15 more minutes before the damning impressions start?

Lightly skims through 20 pages of posts...

Nostradamus is that you? Or is the Jaded, vitriolic, diatribes of the gaf contingent so transparent and predictable? Who knew? Oh yeah, you did as well as the rest of the internet that exists outside the gaf bubble.

I played the demo. I liked it. Not genre changing and it had some issues--the biggest being the camera--but it was fun, especially as you started getting the better loot. I'll probably rent or borrow rather then buy though, there are few games worth my 60 bucks at the moment.

 

[TheHeretic]

I went into this willing to give it every benefit of the doubt and the experience was simply abysmal. The worst controls i've ever seen in the genre, the camera, the animations (oh god, the animations), the hellishly slow menu system, the poor presentation and general unweildliness make this game an absolute disappointment on every level. To think I actually defended this actually makes me feel a little ill. If you haven't played NG2 you might enjoy this on some level, but every aspect of Too Human is simply regressive.

You win Neogaf, this game completely fucked.

 

[crowphoenix]

I went into this willing to give it every benefit of the doubt and the experience was simply abysmal. The worst controls i've ever seen in the genre, the camera, the animations (oh god, the animations), the hellishly slow menu system, the poor presentation and general unweildliness make this game an absolute disappointment on every level. To think I actually defended this actually makes me feel a little ill.

You win Neogaf, this game completely fucked.

Well, that's saddening. You were defending this earlier, or at least, defending the notion of giving it a real chance. If you hate it, it must be rough. But, I'll see when I get home.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

It's no surprise that you're giving this game an A+ given all your past posts, CowboyAstronaut, but please end shoving your opinion down peoples' throats.

The game is no A plus from that demo, but what it most definitely is, is a good game, that people are unfairly criticizing. Who can play that just now and claim this game is terrible or not worth anyone's time? I'm sorry, but that's as close to bs as we could ever hope to get.

It deserves just as much credit, if not more so, for what it's doing than games like Crackdown or Dead Rising get around here. The hate this game gets around here seems more about sticking it to Dyack than it is about actually being honest about the game.

How do games like Crackdown get away with the crap they get away with and receive the type of praise that they do, meanwhile a game like Too Human, while not the most awe inspiring thing we've laid eyes on this gen, but definitely a game that appears as good as the rest of the pack, isn't receiving the same level of respect?

Yes my past opinion on this game has been one that has been positive, but I've never held back in my criticisms either, but getting your hands on this game and trying it for yourself is really the difference maker and I know for a fact I'm not the only person that notices it.

Here is the kicker. There are actually people in here that aren't acknowledging how nicely handled the first flashback was when we got a glimpse of the hall of heroes with the odin statue, but yet some of the SAME people who are insulting every single aspect of this game now actually praised that scene on the way to heimdall's office the first time it was shown during Too Human's IGN re-unveiling. Why the sudden change?

An A+ would be a 95+ and up feeling. I didn't get that feeling from Too Human, but I got something that is in the mid to high 80s with potential to reach an A depending on how the story is handled and how good the gameplay feels later along with how much more rewarding the loot and customization will end up becoming.

I'm not expecting anyone to feel this is the greatest game they've ever played and I wouldn't say it's the greatest game I ever played, but it feels different than a lot of things we've been getting this gen or even on consoles and SK's execution of this seems very well done and isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that some are trying to make it seem like.

 

[SMZC]

I was one of the few people who thought that this was going to be a good game, but after playing the demo I realize the piece of shit that Silicon Knights has made. Dyack, what the fuck has happened? Eternal Darkness was such an awesome game.

I always knew that gaf had a grudge against the man and the game itself, so naturally I didn't believe the people's impressions in this thread, but oh boy! After having played it, I'd say that the game is even worse than what most of the haters here think. And that's saying a lot.

Sure, the music is good, but besides that I can't think of a single aspect where the game shines. Bland and boring combat, awful controls, horrible graphics... And don't get me started on the laughable cinematics and animations.

I'm not even taking into consideration Dyack's actions here. The game is atrocious, period. It's not even worth a rental.

 

[your_fat_uncle]

.......how did I get in this forest?

 

[Jirotrom]

the game has some cool ideas but the execution is bad, im hoping the graphics get cleaned up in the final build as well. The camera is definitely not good, these Dyack kept touting that they would bring an amazing camera and this isn't it. It just feels rough.

 

[RedNumberFive]

The game is no A plus from that demo, but what it most definitely is, is a good game, that people are unfairly criticizing. Who can play that just now and claim this game is terrible or not worth anyone's time? I'm sorry, but that's as close to bs as we could ever hope to get.

It deserves just as much credit, if not more so, for what it's doing than games like Crackdown or Dead Rising get around here. The hate this game gets around here seems more about sticking it to Dyack than it is about actually being honest about the game.

How do games like Crackdown get away with the crap they get away with and receive the type of praise that they do, meanwhile a game like Too Human, while not the most awe inspiring thing we've laid eyes on this gen, but definitely a game that appears as good as the rest of the pack, isn't receiving the same level of respect?

Yes my past opinion on this game has been one that has been positive, but I've never held back in my criticisms either, but getting your hands on this game and trying it for yourself is really the difference maker and I know for a fact I'm not the only person that notices it.

Here is the kicker. There are actually people in here that aren't acknowledging how nicely handled the first flashback was when we got a glimpse of the hall of heroes with the odin statue, but yet some of the SAME people who are insulting every single aspect of this game now actually praised that scene on the way to heimdall's office the first time it was shown during Too Human's IGN re-unveiling. Why the sudden change?

An A+ would be a 95+ and up feeling. I didn't get that feeling from Too Human, but I got something that is in the mid to high 80s with potential to reach an A depending on how the story is handled and how good the gameplay feels later along with how much more rewarding the loot and customization will end up becoming.

Dude, we get it. You're in love with this game.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

the game has some cool ideas but the execution is bad, im hoping the graphics get cleaned up in the final build as well. The camera is definitely not good, these Dyack kept touting that they would bring an amazing camera and this isn't it. It just feels rough.

I'll agree with this. The camera is by far the worst part of that entire demo imo. I hate to say that, but it really is. Other than that, I think the game is very good.

RedNumberFive, yea call it what you like, but the quality of this game is getting a bum rap and I appear to be one of the few willing to acknowledge that fact.

 

[TheHeretic]

I was one of the few people who thought that this was going to be a good game, but after playing the demo I realize the piece of shit that Silicon Knights has made. Dyack, what the fuck has happened? Eternal Darkness was such an awesome game.

I always knew that gaf had a grudge against the man and the game itself, so naturally I didn't believe the people's impressions in this thread, but oh boy! After having played it, I'd say that the game is even worse than what most of the haters here think. And that's saying a lot.

Sure, the music is good, but besides that I can't think of a single aspect where the game shines. Bland and boring combat, awful controls, horrible graphics... And don't get me started on the laughable cinematics and animations.

I'm not even taking into consideration Dyack's actions here. The game is atrocious, period. It's not even worth a rental.

Honestly this could be a page in my autobiography.


The controls in this game have to be seen to be believed, i'm deadly serious. Its the most unengaging, confusing, and inefficient control scheme i've ever used.

 

[Won]

ok i have a question since a lot of you have already tried the game by now:

do you think that the bad parts of the game were due to design/creative choices and decisions or is it a product that any dev who had problems with the game engine would end up with? (in other words: blame Epic, yay or nay?)

For me the problem is a design choice. They cloned the move stick and added an attack button to it.
So now you have two sticks to move, one for general movement and one for movement in a horde of enemies. The second one obviously now tacks an attack animation after you moved you char and this whole process completely feels disconnected from the me, the player. It doesn't make much sense and isn't really fun. Just keep the moving part on the left stick and add an attack button and you get a pretty decent game.
And the worst: In the process of creating this kind of control, they killed the camera and I can't understand such a design choice.

And because some people made comparison to mouse control: Just imagine this "boring" *click click click* gameplay of Diablo 2 and remove the *click click click* and you are pretty close to TH. So what is the point?

 

[SlasherJPC]

Yeah I'm noticing most of the other message boards, people are really enjoying the game.

I personally fall into the category. I think what people forget about when it comes down to the combat is that this game is a hack and slash, diabo in nature. I mean your taking the gameplay of pc hack and slash games where you click on an enemy and then the game does the rest (cept for spells and stuff). Essentially Too Human is taking that gameplay into a new control style. Sure its got some issues but again this game isn't supposed to be about dialing in combos. Don't forget the nature of the beast people.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

Yeah I'm noticing most of the other message boards, people are really enjoying the game.

I personally really enjoyed the game. I think what people forget about when it comes down to the combat is that this game is a hack and slash, diabo in nature. I mean your taking the gameplay of pc hack and slash games where you click on an enemy and then the game does the rest (cept for spells and stuff). Essentially Too Human is taking that gameplay into a new control style. Sure its got some issues but again this game isn't supposed to be about dialing in combos. Don't forget the nature of the beast people.

Yea, some people don't get it at all.

Anyway I'm done arguing with people. All that matters is how I feel about the game and I really like the game I played in the demo.

Going back to the demo.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Yea, some people don't get it at all.

Anyway I'm done arguing with people. All that matters is how I feel about the game and I really like the game I played in the demo.

Going back to the demo.

Trust me, I think we all "get it". I'm glad you are excited about it, but I think the consensus has been more than fair in calling this game out as "average" at best.

 

[SMZC]

Yea, some people don't get it at all.

Anyway I'm done arguing with people. All that matters is how I feel about the game and I really like the game I played in the demo.

Going back to the demo.

I get what the game is about, but that still doesn't excuse the laziness when it comes to the animations or the cinematics.

Besides, I tried to equip my character with different pieces of equipment and weapons, but 90% of them were locked. What's the point of releasing a demo if you're not going to let players try the gameplay's main feature?

 

[Developer in Training]

RedNumberFive, yea call it what you like, but the quality of this game is getting a bum rap and I appear to be one of the few willing to acknowledge that fact.

Yeah, you see this? Stop that.

Stop the "I think Too Human is good and anyone who doesn't think like me is ignorant".

 

[SlasherJPC]

Yea, some people don't get it at all.

Anyway I'm done arguing with people. All that matters is how I feel about the game and I really like the game I played in the demo.

Going back to the demo.

Yeah I don't want to play the demo much anymore since I know I will be playing the full gameto get my characters leveled up.

Trust me, I think we all "get it". I'm glad you are excited about it, but I think the consensus has been more than fair in calling this game out as "average" at best.

Its ok to call a game average, but by GAF standards, there is no average. Its either amazing or shit. Any person looking in this thread would see that the majority here is shitting on the game even if its just an average game. Why?... simply due to GAFs outlook on games.

 

[le.phat]

Trust me, I think we all "get it". I'm glad you are excited about it, but I think the consensus has been more than fair in calling this game out as "average" at best.

some other forums who will remain undisclosed here are calling TH the new god of war. I've never seen such a split in overall impressions across several communities as i've witnessed here with this game.

 

[RedNumberFive]

some other forums who will remain undisclosed here are calling TH the new god of war.

You can't be serious...

 

[gcubed]

some other forums who will remain undisclosed here are calling TH the new god of war. I've never seen such a split in overall impressions across several communities as i've witnessed here with this game.

must remain nameless because they are a raging pack of morons? They arent even in a similar genre.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

You can't be serious...

I like the game, but that's definitely pushing it way too far. God of War and this game shouldn't even be compared.

SMZC, did you seriously play the demo? What the hell do you mean 90% of the game's features are locked? Only 1 or 2 items I got were locked. I came close to changing almost every aspect of my character.

I changed shoulder pieces, chest pieces, leggings, helmets, crafted an epic helmet, couldn't get runes to work on slots, if those were slots (not sure) changed and went through like 3 to 4 different swords, one with fire attributes and like 4 different pistols. Put on 2 charms.

I could've leveled up even more and got more loot as well if I didn't accidentally overuse the ability to unlock doors from within cyberspace. I thought I had multiple tries to open a door and such, but once you open a door you better go back and access it or you miss it.

If you're going to criticize the game SMZC, at least do so accurately.

 

[hwalker84]

fixed

LMAO

 

[Jirotrom]

I like the game, but that's definitely pushing it way too far. God of War and this game shouldn't even be compared.

SMZC, did you seriously play the demo? What the hell do you mean 90% of the game's features are locked? Only 1 or 2 items I got were locked. I came close to changing almost every aspect of my character.

I changed shoulder pieces, chest pieces, leggings, helmets, crafted an epic helmet, couldn't get runes to work on slots, if those were slots (not sure) changed and went through like 3 to 4 different swords, one with fire attributes and like 4 different pistols. Put on 2 charms.

I could've leveled up even more and got more loot as well if I didn't accidentally overuse the ability to unlock doors from within cyberspace. I thought I had multiple tries to open a door and such, but once you open a door you better go back and access it or you miss it.

If you're going to criticize the game SMZC, at least do so accurately.

i thought i remember Dyack claiming the camera would be better than God of Wars... this is not so to say the least.

 

[SMZC]

SMZC, did you seriously play the demo? What the hell do you mean 90% of the game's features are locked? Only 1 or 2 items I got were locked. I came close to changing almost every aspect of my character.

I got a new sword, and when I tried to equip it the menu said that it was locked. When it comes to weapons, I've only been able to try the rifle instead of the pistols, but it was so bad that I switched back to the pistols instantly.

As for the equipment, I tried to equip helmets and other things near the beginning of the demo, but I wasn't able to do it despite of having several things in my inventory, so I never bothered to try that again.

I guess I'll give the game a second chance, but I don't expect my opinion to change. Even if the RPG elements are good, that won't make up for how horrible Too Human is in the other areas.

 

[DyTonic]

What's so special about this game?

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

I got a new sword, and when I tried to equip it the menu said that it was locked. When it comes to weapons, I've only been able to try the rifle instead of the pistols, but it was so bad that I switched back to the pistols instantly.

As for the equipment, I tried to equip helmets and other things near the beginning of the demo, but I wasn't able to do it despite of having several things in my inventory, so I never bothered to try that again.

I guess I'll give the game a second chance, but I don't expect my opinion to change. Even if the RPG elements are good, that won't make up for how horrible Too Human is in the other areas.

You can't use certain items till you level up :lol

I'm stunned you couldn't equip a new sword or even new pistols.

You should've hit up to level 6 or higher easily allowing you to use the items you had. Most items I had were like level 3 to 4.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

ok i have a question since a lot of you have already tried the game by now:

do you think that the bad parts of the game were due to design/creative choices and decisions or is it a product that any dev who had problems with the game engine would end up with? (in other words: blame Epic, yay or nay?)

no, it's all their problem. I don't mean to bash, but after years and years of hearing people praising ED I can finally affirm what I've always thought: SK and Dyack are overrated, and a lot.

Engine doesn't mean jack, the main issues come from terrible controls, horrendous camera, painful dialogues...them graphics do really come last when judging Too Human, at least for me. They don't suck, but average parade is in town

some other forums who will remain undisclosed here are calling TH the new god of war.

AHAHAHAHHAHA

trust us man, it ain't. Although GOW games are somewhat overrated they're certainly good ones, and immensely more enjoyable than this- like I said- average parade

 

[Zertez]

Im in the minority, but I enjoyed the demo. I love dungeon crawlers and Im a loot whore. The cut scenes were laughably bad at times. I like bad movies, so they dont bother me much. The demo has its flaws without a doubt, but I had a lot of fun playing it.

 

[Hunter D]

The game is good and will get scores in the 7-9 range imo. The camera is iffy outside of battles, but during battles it is good. The first half hour I played the game I had a hard time with the controls because attacking is on the stick. Now I can do simple chains on the ground and in the air.

The game isn't great so the haters will piss all over it though. It is good.

 

[Surreal]

I love Diablo, so I'm pretty interested in this game. It doesn't have to be fantastic to be fun but I just have a few questions for the people who have tried the combat system. Is it most comparable to GoW, DMC, or NG in terms of depth/complexity? Does it feels satisfying? Does it do anything new we haven't seen before?

Thanks.

 

[Xabora]

Sooo...
Should I spend my 1gig download on porn or just keep downloading TH?

 

[Won]

I love Diablo, so I'm pretty interested in this game. It doesn't have to be fantastic to be fun but I just have a few questions for the people who have tried the combat system. Is it most comparable to GoW, DMC, or NG in terms of depth/complexity? Does it feels satisfying? Does it do anything new we haven't seen before?

Thanks.

You have to try the demo for yourself. Imo there is no depth/complexity going on. But the closest thing is probably DMC in "style", (air juggling and all that stuff) but it is reduced to "waggling" the right stick around.

 

[VASPER]

So i just finished the demo and i really love it. I wish i had the real game sitting in my hands right now so i could spend my day off playing this game.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Hated it.

Teeeerrible controls, awful camera and bad presentation.

 

[LCfiner]

Sooo...
Should I spend my 1gig download on porn or just keep downloading TH?

I say keep going with TH. I didn't like it too much but I could see how it could appeal to others.

some of the reactions here are REALLY over the top so it'll set your expectations to realistic levels. you may enjoy it more that way

 

[soldat7]

A lot of people 'For' and a lot of people 'Against', I see.