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Julian Eggebrecht: Wii developers are sloppy
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thestopsign
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Well, he is right. Hope Factor 5 starts an amazing game on the Wii.
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I think that he does have a point. However, if it sells, it doesn't matter
MightyHedgehog
Member
Okay...so maybe F5 should showing everyone how to do it. A new Turrican in 3D would be pretty cool on the Wii.
Couldn't agree with him more.
I guess this does raise the question tho, what are the tools and support community like for systems? Surely its in nintendo's best interests to tell the developers what can be done and how to do it. Are they not doing this?
It surely would be a big hit for every single developer to commit someone to sit down for weeks or months or however long it takes with each new system to learn its ins and outs and how best to squeeze out all those different effects, and I can understand why they are hesitant to do so and therefor learn only enough to get an "acceptable" result.
Its really up to Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft to give developers full understanding of what their systems can do, and how best to harness these effects, because it is painfully apparent they aren't doing so. Especially Nintendo need to do this, sure Wii uses alot of the same things Cube did, but 3rd parties never did (rightfully or not, who knows) invest the time to learn Cube, so they are playing some serious catchup
I guess this does raise the question tho, what are the tools and support community like for systems? Surely its in nintendo's best interests to tell the developers what can be done and how to do it. Are they not doing this?
It surely would be a big hit for every single developer to commit someone to sit down for weeks or months or however long it takes with each new system to learn its ins and outs and how best to squeeze out all those different effects, and I can understand why they are hesitant to do so and therefor learn only enough to get an "acceptable" result.
Its really up to Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft to give developers full understanding of what their systems can do, and how best to harness these effects, because it is painfully apparent they aren't doing so. Especially Nintendo need to do this, sure Wii uses alot of the same things Cube did, but 3rd parties never did (rightfully or not, who knows) invest the time to learn Cube, so they are playing some serious catchup
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I think if the game makes the company profit, graphics are not top priority to them at all unfortunately. More visually enticing graphics would be nice to see on the Wii if the developers would actually decide to put some effort into their work. I don't think there is any excuse for a 5 year old XBox or GC to have games that look more graphically impressive than the Wii's offerings.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Too bad Rebel Strike is all kinds of meh in terms of gameplay. It did have Rogue Squadron II co-op, and that was really awesome though.
DeathbyVolcano
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Derps said:
Uh-huh...
BrodiemanTTR
Member
Derps said:
Let's talk after Manhunt 2 comes out.
And I enjoyed Julian slithering out of that "So if you love the Wii so much, why not make a game for it?" question with an answer that essentially amounted to "lol Sony moneyhats".
JoshuaJSlone
Member
They're sloppy, but they're there.
CrushDance
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Lol when don't you troll Wii or PS3 threads?Derps said:
Smiles and Cries
Member
too bad he is in love with Sony now
Tchu-Espresso
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I dont understand why they wouldnt do this to be honest. As a small studio, they licensed their sound tech to nintendo for the gamecube so they should do the same for their graphics tech to other developers on the wii seeing as how they have no use for it anymore and how the current situation with shitty looking games on wii is panning out. Their own next gen engine is light years ahead of it anyway. It would be like epic refusing to license the ut2/2.5 engine out.TheWolf said:
krypt0nian
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I'm glad someone is calling them out. Most titles aren't even up to Gamecube standards. I mean shitty ass Gamecube standards.
And when we started hearing about the wii's limited visuals, folks were saying "Oh I could live with games that looked like Resident Evil 4" Fat chance so far since everyone seems to be short changing us.
And when we started hearing about the wii's limited visuals, folks were saying "Oh I could live with games that looked like Resident Evil 4" Fat chance so far since everyone seems to be short changing us.
miguel_c_hammer
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BrodiemanTTR said:
Yeah, and we'll have the same talk we had after Conker came out... and Eternal Darkness... and BMX XXX... and Resident Evil... and Geist
As long as Nintendo itself refuses to make M-rated software a priority, their system will be the "kiddy" one. This is how it's ALWAYS been. Even the SNES, which got most of the same 3rd party games the Genesis got, was considered the console for younger players.
Manhunt 2 will change nothing about the Wii's image. Even if it's a success, it will only be a flash in the pan.
As for Factor 5-- they're merely treading the line of the company they're currently associated with. Who knows who they'll be with in 5 years.
Sho_Nuff82
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Is it just me or did this come off as kind of smug? It's like Kobe Bryant saying "Well, I scored 81 points last year...why can't anyone else do it...they're using the same ball." :lol
They're obviously one of the most proficient developers out there, maybe they should license more than sound and compression tools.
They're obviously one of the most proficient developers out there, maybe they should license more than sound and compression tools.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
You assume here. He specifically mentions licensing MusyX and DivX, which they've been doing for years.aeolist said:
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
gamecube LAUNCH 2001
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gamecube LAUNCH 2001:
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PATHETIC
Wing Island 2007:
gamecube LAUNCH 2001:
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PATHETIC
Charlatanized
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In reference to the original quote, well said. He's absolutely right, and looking through the Wii screenshot thread confirms this--graphics run the gamut from decidedly "next gen" to sub-GameCube. There's no reason for a game to not look impressive on Wii outside of sheer laziness; though it's not nearly as powerful as its competitors, I don't feel as though it's "underpowered," as the excuse often goes.
AdmiralViscen
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krypt0nian said:
Wii games will look shit hot in 2008.
Charlatanized said:
there's no decidedly next-gen looking game currently out for Wii, but there's also very few games that compete with some of the high range Gamecube titles. That's the problem, not the fact that its games will never be able to compete with PS3/360.
If they actually got games up to RE4 level from time to time, the pill would be easier to swallow for some people.
Anyway, it's early, and many devs were caught with their pants down... there will be more Super Mario Galaxies, and even things like Dewy are starting to use more fancy techniques
It's true.
Not only are third-parties porting the sloppy seconds to Wii, but from a technical point-of-view there's absolutely nothing outstanding on the console being shown or released (Metroid & Mario are probably the only visually appealing games).
I'm not really a happy Wii gamer at the moment - in fact it's sort of discouraging to see Nintendo offering the same issues that hurt their previous consoles (lack of titles throughout the year, limited to Nintendo support).
Not only are third-parties porting the sloppy seconds to Wii, but from a technical point-of-view there's absolutely nothing outstanding on the console being shown or released (Metroid & Mario are probably the only visually appealing games).
I'm not really a happy Wii gamer at the moment - in fact it's sort of discouraging to see Nintendo offering the same issues that hurt their previous consoles (lack of titles throughout the year, limited to Nintendo support).
it is scaring me that these simple, ugly, childish games are outselling complex, beautiful, online games. Sooner or later developers are going to stop trying to go forward with the 360/PS3 when they know they can knock out a game for the wii in half the time, with half the budget and sell twice as many copies
painey said:
Well, fortunately, many of these companies already have huge funds invested in 360 and PS3... so we will still get plenty of content before they decide it's not worth it to put forth actual effort.
adg1034 said:
you shoulda been here when I first got here, adg, people confused me with a nintendo fanboy! That was before the industry exploded into a pile of suck with the handheld war and next-gen war, though. Now I have nothing but bitter for all companies.
Christopher
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painey said:
my thoughts exactly dude