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June 2008 NPD Analysis (Edge Online)

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Gamasutra.
It's that time again. The site is called Edge Online now instead of Next-Gen.biz, but I'm the same guy writing comments on last month's sales numbers.

Here 'tis: June 2008 NPD In-Depth at Edge Online

I'm on holiday, so I'll just throw up a graph you might find interesting and try to respond to comments as I can.
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NPD is very cautious about what data they will give away, and this was the best deal I could work out with them. Still, I hope it provides some context on MGS series sales. Obviously the MGS4 bundled copies are not included.

I suspect it's already been talked to death around here, but I advocate for a real Xbox 360 price cut, making an analogy with the price adjustments Sony made last summer. I am a little dismayed to see Sony announce the new system in September -- seems to make the next month or so a pretty difficult situation at retail, but maybe I'm wrong. I also found it interesting to lay out just how Nintendo has paced its Wii software releases. Pretty impressive stuff.

As always, constructive criticism is welcome. If I made an error, kindly let me know and I'll get it fixed ASAP. Just note that since I'm on holiday, I don't know what my online schedule will be like -- sorry! :D

In case you'd like to review previous threads:
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December and all of 2007
November 2007
October 2007
 
Konami could milk some of this MGS hype with a Twin Snakes version that just added a bonus or two (since it's no longer in print for GCN). For that matter port over the PSP MGS games to PS2/Wii just like Rockstar did the PSP -> PS2 ports. Easy money on the table with the huge Wii audience that ate up RE:4...

The way Nintendo spaces out releases is pretty smart. I wasn't sure about having Smash Bros. and Mario Kart released so close together, but both games are likely to be top sellers for the next several years so in the end it wasn't that big a deal.

I wonder if they will ever replace Wii Play with a Wii Play 2 or some other title. They could continue to sell the title at budget price ($20?) if they take out the remote and put up some other game as the wiimote + $10 bundle.

I wish Nintendo would ramp up supply soon because the reason some of their older titles (Twilight Princess, WW: Smooth Moves, Metroid Prime 3) are keeping their high prices is because some people wanting those titles probably don't have Wii's yet. Once supply has met demand and sales of older titles slow down perhaps they'll introduce a $20 player's choice lineup to give them new life and get maybe even casual gamers to give them a try.
 
It really is hard to tell how much MGS4 sold in the bundle considering it was double the HDD space, had BC, and comes packed in with a Dual Shock 3. Even if you hated the game, you'd be a fool to not pick up the 80 gig MGS4 over the 40 gig during that time.
 
I'm getting the feeling that Microsoft will settle for third place with enough profit to propel the next console, so a price drop if any, will be modest.
 
Great read :)

Alcibiades said:
I wonder if they will ever replace Wii Play with a Wii Play 2 or some other title. They could continue to sell the title at budget price ($20?) if they take out the remote and put up some other game as the wiimote + $10 bundle.
You know, I think it's very likely Nintendo will do a Wii Play 2 with Wii MotionPlus bundled with it. That way, people will buy Wii Play 1 (controller) AND Wii Play 2 (Wii MotionPlus) :lol Wii Play 2 will hit alongside Wii Sports Resorts. It's like a double one-two punch, they will repeat the insane succes model they had with Wii Sports and Wii Play (but make even more money because Wii MotionPlus doesn't cost as much as a Wiimote and Wii Sports Resorts won't be a free pack-in). I know I'll buy both if Resort turns out to have more awesome stuff like the "WaveRace" game.

OldJadedGamer said:
It really is hard to tell how much MGS4 sold in the bundle considering it was double the HDD space, had BC, and comes packed in with a Dual Shock 3. Even if you hated the game, you'd be a fool to not pick up the 80 gig MGS4 over the 40 gig during that time.
Yep, a PR win for Sony.
 
Pachael said:
I'm getting the feeling that Microsoft will settle for third place with enough profit to propel the next console, so a price drop if any, will be modest.
Did you miss Mattrick saying "I'm willing to declare here, today, that Xbox 360 will sell more consoles worldwide than PS3" at E3?
 
Why did you guys go from Next-Gen.biz to edge-online? I really liked looking up industry news with a simple layout, now its another website with 100 articles on-screen and 10 different columns of information. :-/
 
LiquidMamba said:
Why did you guys go from Next-Gen.biz to edge-online? I really liked looking up industry news with a simple layout, now its another website with 100 articles on-screen and 10 different columns of information. :-/
QFT. :-(
 
pswii60 said:
Did you miss Mattrick saying "I'm willing to declare here, today, that Xbox 360 will sell more consoles worldwide than PS3" at E3?
Well, in his defence, Microsoft can wish that all they want but it doesn't look likely that they'll beat PS3. It's already at 3/4 of total X360 sales even though releasing a lot later. The xbox360 is constantly in last place, even year to date in America their strongest market.

And how would it made Microsoft look if they publicly would say "yeah we will probably finish in 3rd place, what you gonna do huh?". He wouldn't even comment on "So at LEAST 2nd place?" in regards to Wii, only about "beating PS3". Imo the writing is on the wall :) That's oke though, the xbox360 is an awesome console with a lot of great games and it will continue to get all the multiplatform games even though they will be last.
 
I really think we need to stop judging who will "Win" based on console sales. Then again there is no way that will happen. XBox 360 will end up in 3rd more than likely, but we have to look at profits and game sales. 360 has PS3 beat by a large margin in game sales and it will continue to be that way for quite awhile. 3rd parties honestly only care about how much their games sell they aren't going to look at the 360 and go "wow its got less consoles, but it sells 4x the copies lets not make it on that"..
 
Somnia said:
I really think we need to stop judging who will "Win" based on console sales. Then again there is no way that will happen. XBox 360 will end up in 3rd more than likely, but we have to look at profits and game sales. 360 has PS3 beat by a large margin in game sales and it will continue to be that way for quite awhile. 3rd parties honestly only care about how much their games sell they aren't going to look at the 360 and go "wow its got less consoles, but it sells 4x the copies lets not make it on that"..
The GC was profitable, doesn't change the fact that it still came third place. Yeah and that 4x software thing...take a look at June NPD, Multiplatform games are performing better on the Wii. Larger userbase + better selling games is a very hard trend to buck once the support starts coming in.
 
BishopLamont said:
The GC was profitable, doesn't change the fact that it still came third place. Yeah and that 4x software thing...take a look at June NPD, Multiplatform games are performing better on the Wii. Larger userbase + better selling games is a very hard trend to buck once the support starts coming in.

Regarding GC...thats why I said "There's no way itll change"...you are right about the Wii...it's software sales are finally starting to get up there. I was mainly talking about next-gen hardcore games sorry for not being specific. I really see this generation as two different beasts because the systems are so different from each other this time around (360/ps3 and the wii). The industry is changing quite a bit this generation and will continue to change. I guess what I'm getting at is I wish the whole "my system is in 1st" shit would end, but it won't :D ahh shit I'm sounding like Denis Dyack I better stop while I'm ahead :lol
 
pswii60 said:
Did you miss Mattrick saying "I'm willing to declare here, today, that Xbox 360 will sell more consoles worldwide than PS3" at E3?


Allard once predicted to reach a "billion people" (not units) at the 2005 E3. So, don't believe what these people say. All MS cares about is profitability .. not the penis measuring contest that is total sales.
 
Somnia said:
Regarding GC...thats why I said "There's no way itll change"...you are right about the Wii...it's software sales are finally starting to get up there. I was mainly talking about next-gen hardcore games sorry for not being specific. I really see this generation as two different beasts because the systems are so different from each other this time around (360/ps3 and the wii). The industry is changing quite a bit this generation and will continue to change. I guess what I'm getting at is I wish the whole "my system is in 1st" shit would end, but it won't :D ahh shit I'm sounding like Denis Dyack I better stop while I'm ahead :lol

Is this a veiled "Wii is winning so it doesn't count" argument?
 
I agree that people overlook the fact that the 80 MGS5 PS3 was the only BC console when Sony stance on BC was getting iffy and the first PS3 to include the DS3 controller when they credit Metal Gear Solid for the sales bump. Many people were holding off buying the PS3 once they found out about the new controller. Why buy the machine with a controller your going to want to replace. Getting MGS4 with it was a great bonus. I think they would have seen a jump if the pack just came with the new pad.
 
jvm said:
. I am a little dismayed to see Sony announce the new system in September -- seems to make the next month or so a pretty difficult situation at retail, but maybe I'm wrong.

according to our anecdotal threads from people in the industry, 80 GB Bundle is selling well still...

as to the article. It just shows how many so called analysts actually know less than most of the gaf posters here.

For instance, so called anlayst thinks that Sony will end multisku strategy with 80 GB - if so called analyst actually followed E3 properly, they would know that they reffered to it as "Core" pack... if you have Core pack, it means you have something else - so Sony will definetly have bundles and different SKU's for xmas season.

Additionally, avail. of 80 GB bundle was limited in June. I know because my friend couldnt get it then for me when he was traveling in Europe.
 
Oh wow that graph is SO disingenuous. MGS4 has only been out for a month, of course it hasn't sold as much as the other installments have from their release date all the way up until now.
 
Figured this was as good a place as any for my take on things. There are some graphs up at the site, but they essentially cover the same things as the Edge article.

NintendoÂ’s Takeaways:

Nintendo had another banner month. Despite a pretty sizable drop in weekly sales for Wii, it had no problem taking the console lead again in June. And though it seemed a ridiculous notion at the start of 2008, Wii is now the best selling current generation console in the US. There’s no doubt about it – Nintendo has a bona fide hit on their hands.

Not to be overshadowed by WiiÂ’s success, DS saw a huge increase in June on the legs of a new color and the surprisingly strong launch of Guitar Hero World Tour. There were some doubts that a handheld Guitar Hero could mirror the success of the console titles (I was one of the naysayers), but despite a split critical opinion, it had a great first month on the market.

Though I obviously didnÂ’t predict the magnitude of WiiÂ’s sales decrease, itÂ’s a pattern that will probably continue throughout the next few months. There has been speculation over the first part of this year that Nintendo might divert some stock from the US because of the weak dollar. ItÂ’s a credible theory (Nintendo has often commented on the affects of world currencies on their bottom line), and I wouldnÂ’t expect to see an increase in stock until the fall.

Further, while it is only July, Nintendo is no doubt keeping a careful watch on their stock in anticipation of the upcoming holiday months. TheyÂ’re already pumping out a record number of Wiis per month, and they might decide that stockpiling some units now is a prudent investment.

SonyÂ’s Takeaways:

I expected PS3 to see some decent growth in June, but I was surprised by how much of a positive effect Metal Gear Solid 4 had on console sales. A 55% increase in the middle of the year is dramatic.

But what exactly does this mean for the future? There are really two ways to look at it: either this recent sales surge is the sign of an upward trend, or itÂ’s simply a blip in the radar.

It’s tough to argue that June is the sign of a long term sales increase. Not to say that it’s a complete impossibility, but it makes very little sense for a single title to improve the performance of a console over a long period of time, and it’s especially unlikely for a single player game. As good as MGS4 is, most will only play through it once, and those types of games rarely see long legs (on consoles, anyway – handhelds are a whole different story).

I think people should be careful about reading too much into MGS4Â’s initial sales impact. If anything, that it had such a profound effect on PS3 sales is almost damming in and of itself. ThereÂ’s something to be said for the fact that large console bumps due to specific titles are more of an indication of unhealthy platforms as opposed to a viable software ecosystem.

Bear with me for a moment, as I know that what I said probably seems illogical. Common sense might lead someone to believe that this “Metal Gear” bump is a sign that consumers are almost ready to adopt the PS3 platform en masse, that they just need a little extra encouragement. In a nutshell, the thought there is that the PS3 is a valuable platform that only needs 1 or 2 big games to really capture mainstream appeal.

But that is very rarely the case. As weÂ’ve seen with GameCube, a console needs more than big releases to gain a real foothold in the market. Nintendo supported that console with a large number of critically acclaimed and fantastically selling games, and it still wasnÂ’t enough to make notable impression on the industry.

In fact, PS3Â’s performance in Japan is very similar to what I expect from it in the US. Metal Gear Solid 4 was released to impressive first week sales. Just like here, the game also drove a large increase in console sales. After a few weeks, though, PS3 has settled back to its pre-MGS sales pace. Expect the same to happen in he US over the next few months.

Ultimately, that’s why I think Sony should be very concerned about the loss of Final Fantasy XIII exclusivity. That was a very unique, high profile title that added a lot of value to the PlayStation brand, and it will be tough to replace it. It was more than a game – it was an identity, a tent pole on which the rest of PS3’s library could count on. Not only will consumers find the platform less attractive than before (in relation to 360), but other publishers have one more reason to be uncertain about throwing exclusive support behind PS3.

Uncertainty breeds uncertainty. ItÂ’s tough to change public perception, and while Metal Gear Solid 4Â’s success is nice to see, thereÂ’s just not much else on the upcoming slate of PS3 releases that will make any improvements to the perpetual cloud of doubt that surrounds SonyÂ’s best efforts.

MicrosoftÂ’s Takeaways:

E3 came at a great time for Microsoft. While I donÂ’t think the Expo has the large sway over public opinion that it used to command, this monthÂ’s NPD report will probably see less press than normal because the industry is focused on other things.

360 sales in June were not surprising - a small drop in week/week sales from May, but that was to be expected with no notable releases for the month. Still, expected doesnÂ’t mean impressive. Everyone can see that Microsoft needs to cut the price to see substantial improvement, and they recently took that to heartÂ… sort of. The price of the 20 gig premium unit has been slashed to 299, but rest of the skus will remain at their current prices. When stock of the 20 gig is flushed out of retail channels, a new 60 gig unit will be released at the 20 gigÂ’s previous 349 dollar price.

So, as usual, Microsoft has sidestepped the pricing issues by trickeration. They’ll see some benefit in July and August, but it will take a more comprehensive price cut to gain real momentum. It would be too soon to cut again in August with Madden ‘09, but perhaps they’re anticipating an opportunity in October or November that would really capitalize on the holiday rush. Sony has commented that they’re content to sit at their current price for the time being, so the potential is there for Microsoft to make a splash.

Still, while Microsoft has so cleverly kept their price flexibility advantage in their back pocket, Sony has quietly strung together a stronger than expected first half of year. Microsoft would benefit from a stronger sense of urgency, but they are still in a decent position heading into the second half of the year.

Expect to see a solid but unspectacular rebound in July on the back of their half-hearted price cut.
 
spwolf said:
according to our anecdotal threads from people in the industry, 80 GB Bundle is selling well still...

The 80GB PS3 is selling because of the MGS4 and backwards compatibility. When the next 80GB "Core" comes out, don't expect anywhere near the amount of units being shifted. People don't want the 80GB because of the space. This is why everybody was laughing at them at E3 when they announced it.

polyh3dron said:
Oh wow that graph is SO disingenuous. MGS4 has only been out for a month, of course it hasn't sold as much as the other installments have from their release date all the way up until now.

Even if you take just the launch months MGS4 is still a few hundred thousand behind the others.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Allard once predicted to reach a "billion people" (not units) at the 2005 E3. So, don't believe what these people say. All MS cares about is profitability .. not the penis measuring contest that is total sales.

Allard was talking about the industry in general not the 360 specifically!
 
Somnia said:
I really see this generation as two different beasts because the systems are so different from each other this time around (360/ps3 and the wii). The industry is changing quite a bit this generation and will continue to change.

Yes, but the reason it's changing is because of how these systems sell. The reason the HD format exists as a singular entity is because it's become increasingly difficult with the development costs to be truly profitable going exclusive. Besides, it's the only thing keeping devs from having to go exclusively to Wii development - which they don't want, given that they invested millions upon millions of dollars creating HD art assets, engines, and the like, predicting that the PS3 would release and go thermonuclear.
 
Jammy said:
Didn't somebody post that MGS3 did 1.1 million in its opening month in the NPD thread?

That was me, and I posted lifetime sales of the BASE MGS SKUs (not including VR / Substance / Subsistence). It's on page one of the monthly thread.
 
I low how supposedly MGS4 had nothing to do with the bundle being such a success. Nooo it must have been the 80 gig. I mean it's clear isn't it, the 80 gig broke all sales barriers when it debuted last year...oh wait it didn't.
 
Kapsama said:
I low how supposedly MGS4 had nothing to do with the bundle being such a success. Nooo it must have been the 80 gig. I mean it's clear isn't it, the 80 gig broke all sales barriers when it debuted last year...oh wait it didn't.

The bundle was a fantastic deal, to be honest. I was ready to finally buy a backwards compatible system, but none were being offered. There were a ton of us complaining about this all waiting out for the MGS4 bundle to cure our problems. Indeed it has, and for the cost, we got a $60 controller, backwards compatibility, and a nice 80GB drive. The 40GB systems were worthless in our eyes.

I gave my MGS4 game to a coworker.
 
Philthy said:
The bundle was a fantastic deal, to be honest. I was ready to finally buy a backwards compatible system, but none were being offered. There were a ton of us complaining about this all waiting out for the MGS4 bundle to cure our problems. Indeed it has, and for the cost, we got a $60 controller, backwards compatibility, and a nice 80GB drive. The 40GB systems were worthless in our eyes.

I gave my MGS4 game to a coworker.

We had several other posters indicate that MGS4 meant nothing in the equation and that they would happily be selling it on eBay or something, but that they were going to purchase the better model for such a better price. Now MGS4 had an impact, but I don't think the hardware sales are fully indicative of what impact it had. It was the perfect storm of different things going for the bundle that helped it move. I suspect the system (80GB, backwards compatibility) itself, with the $100 gift card and better controller, had more to do with the bundle sales than MGS4 did.
 
Philthy said:
The bundle was a fantastic deal, to be honest. I was ready to finally buy a backwards compatible system, but none were being offered. There were a ton of us complaining about this all waiting out for the MGS4 bundle to cure our problems. Indeed it has, and for the cost, we got a $60 controller, backwards compatibility, and a nice 80GB drive. The 40GB systems were worthless in our eyes.

I gave my MGS4 game to a coworker.
But then again, going by the latest NPDs, there are 700k+ anecdotes of people who bought the game alone.
 
As always, thanks for all the comments guys. Back later, but here's what I can say for now.

On MGS4 bundle comments...
I tried to make the point in the article that MGS4 did move hardware, but the extent to which it was the deciding factor is in question. I brought up the other features of the MGS4 bundle as a way of saying there were several other good reasons for buying the 80GB system which, oh by the way, just happens to include MGS4.

On Edge vs. Next-Gen.biz...
Not my call. I am a freelancer who's been given a regular gig by the editors. What they call their site really isn't any big deal to me.

As for the layout...it's ok. They need forums, IMO. Or something. The comment system just isn't robust enough.

On whether Sony will continue several models...
I was of the impression that the 80GB would be the primary, in fact only, model going forward. I was working from the PR which said: "Starting in September 2008, the newly announced PLAYSTATION3 80GB model will become the mainstay of the company's hardware line-up." Please point me to evidence otherwise (still on holiday, lazy!), however, since I'd like to be better informed.

That said, I would not be surprised if this were like the 20/60 situation, where mainstay means the other model might as well not exist (after a certain point). We'll see.

On whether I'm an analyst (@spwolf)...
I get paid to write columns on the NPD results, among other things. The sites I write for started describing them as "analysis" and I've used that name here for them, for consistency. However, I don't call myself an analyst, and I've always been up front that people here will often have data and insight I won't.

The helpful criticisms I really love. The snark, however, I can do without. (Hoo. Maybe all the driving is getting to me. :D )
 
Philthy said:
The bundle was a fantastic deal, to be honest. I was ready to finally buy a backwards compatible system, but none were being offered. There were a ton of us complaining about this all waiting out for the MGS4 bundle to cure our problems. Indeed it has, and for the cost, we got a $60 controller, backwards compatibility, and a nice 80GB drive. The 40GB systems were worthless in our eyes.

I gave my MGS4 game to a coworker.
No ones denying that. But it is pretty obvious that most of the people who are bringing up the BC factor of the bundle are just trying to downplay MGS4's and in extension the PS3's success.

A lot of people were waiting for MGS4 and for many people it was the only reason or rather the first reason to get a PS3. Only a utter moron would buy a $399 40gig and a $60 copy to save $40 if those forty bucks got you more HD space, some BC and a rumble controller. But that doesn't mean that it was the console itself that was the drawing factor. If that were the case the 80gig would have sold in droves at the $500 price point, which it most certainly did not.
 
What's amazing to me is that the PS3 in June sold about as much as the PS3 did LAST NOVEMBER.

Just goes to show you how far the PS3 has come since 2007's awful year.
 
Private Hoffman said:
What's amazing to me is that the PS3 in June sold about as much as the PS3 did LAST NOVEMBER.

Just goes to show you how far the PS3 has come since 2007's awful year.
How much did PS3 sell last November?
 
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but that chart is comparing MGS4 sales in its first month to the total, combined sales of Twin Snakes, MGS2, MGS2 Substance, MGS2 Substance Xbox, MGS3, and MGS3 Subsistence?
 
gbovo said:
How much did PS3 sell last November?

460k.

Zoc said:
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but that chart is comparing MGS4 sales in its first month to the total, combined sales of Twin Snakes, MGS2, MGS2 Substance, MGS2 Substance Xbox, MGS3, and MGS3 Subsistence?

Yes. It's a worthless chart. Ignore.
 
Zoc said:
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but that chart is comparing MGS4 sales in its first month to the total, combined sales of Twin Snakes, MGS2, MGS2 Substance, MGS2 Substance Xbox, MGS3, and MGS3 Subsistence?
Hence, chart is worthless.
 
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