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Kerbal's Space Program confirmed for Wii U
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Robottiimu2000
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Whhoooa o.0 day1!!
The cost of dev hardware is offputting though, particularly if you're paying additional tax and shipping to have it delivered overseas. Hopefully the NX will allow a retail console to be used as a devkit.
I'm in two minds. On the one hand, off TV play is always good. But on the other hand, Kerbal could really benefit from having HUD elements on the gamepad and having the TV be less cluttered.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I dont think any of the big 3 does it like that, you have to get a devkit but nintendo is liek the cheapest devkit you can get out of the 3.
Because games don't run fully on the gpu, in fact a number of games did not port over well because of the Wii U's bad cpu. (although more because of Wii U's comparatively outlandish architecture that devs rightfully couldn't be arsed to optimize for, because they wouldn't recoup the costs). KSP likely being cpu heavy gives reason for worry.
I don't know where you heard me saying it's several times more powerful. Intel's is a lot newer tech and I wouldn't be surprised if it's clocked higher, though I think where it counts, number of shaders, Wii U probably beats it handily. In any case even if they were somehow comparable, optimization then goes a long way.
But You dont compare graphical performance in cpu limited scenario.
You didnt say, but You also answered to my post that was quoting the guy who did.
TheMoon
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BronzeWolf
Banned
Day 1 double dipping. I would love to support Mexican Devs.
Also very excited about Nindies. There is a new game everyday
Also very excited about Nindies. There is a new game everyday
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
PS4 could also match it with vita support. Sadly, I doubt there will be vita or smart glass support though. When giant publishers can't(be bothered to) do it, what chance does a small port studio have?
Black Mantis
Member
Never heard of this before, but after checking out the site, this is a day one buy for the Wii U.
MS said they'd be unlocking the ability to use a retail Xbone as a dev unit but I don't know if they actually did it.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
It's saying that video is private, is it happening for anyone else?
Someone at NOA listed the trailer early, I think. There's a Nintendo indie event at PAX this evening, it was probably supposed to be revealed there.
Also, obligatory xkcd for any Kerbal thread:
That actual job at Nasa had me laughing.
Interceptor
Banned
This is what happens when you port code from a CPU heavy machine to a GPU focused machine.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
We saw the opposite happen constantly with the 360 -> PS3 ports last gen lol
Nostremitus
Member
Both were CPU focused though... PS3 more so. Your comment isn't relevant.
I'm not saying the other person was right, just that your comment was strange and without meaningful context.
That was a case of offloading GPU to the CPU(Cell), not the other way around.
That said, I wonder if they'll limit the maximum number of useable parts?
I was always under the impression that the PS3's cell was much more capable than the 360's Xenon? Just that it was an absolute mess to optimize code on? While the PS3's GPU was generally seen as weaker. I'm not the most knowledgable guy on the subject, as you may have noticed :lol. But I'm always keen to learn more.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Wow, awesome!
Damon Baker, GAF loves you. Keep it up!
Damon Baker, GAF loves you. Keep it up!
You're not allowed to like NoA! Quick course correct before the universe equilibrates and destroys a pile of puppies!
That's not how that works. The Vita isn't lagless rendering and streaming, its over wifi and will introduce delay and input lag.
evilromero
Member
To be fair though WiiWare was getting a lot of exclusive content that we still haven't seen rereleased elsewhere. The Konami Rebirth series being a big omission.
lyrick
Member
Why do people keep posting this shit?
It's never been done nor is it the same tech.
Fixed. Those who didn't turn into squids deserve it!
Seriously speaking, I'm pretty surprised by the results Damon Baker is getting right now. It seems it's doing...somehow better than Dan Adelman in getting indie games on Nintendo platforms. But, honestly, I suppose he just corrected / gave his own twist to an already well-paved path that Dan built after years and years by working at Nintendo. And he's also favourited by the ability of posting directly on social networks / being in Nintendo Directs in order to talk with the fanbase as well compared to...well, Dan's inability of doing that.
I still can't get away from my head his "Nindie Love" back in February. The way he said it too, what the heck.
Most of that was from the big Japanese publishers though (Capcom, Konami/Hudson, Square Enix/Taito, Bandai Namco, etc). It's not that those publishers are avoiding the eShop specifically now, they're avoiding Wii U in general.
Ehh. Things changes pretty drastically after Adelmann left, so I don't know how much has been "following the beaten path" and how much of it was "I'm making my own path, get out of my way... is this okay boss?".
I've been trying to compile all of the interviews after he took over into a big look at the things he set in motion, but I have been too busy with work! It'd make a great thread on Nintendo's indie progress over the last year and a half, because its been a breakneck course correction.
The narrative and speed of getting stuff done really changed when Baker took over.
To be fair, he had a job in robotics, not astral mechanics.
Nostremitus
Member
I'm not a subject matter expert either, but this is my understanding. PS3's GPU was weaker so GPU functions were offloaded to the CPU. That caused a lot of issues. PS3 didn't have issues with CPU heavy processes as far as I know, it just had issues forcing CPU cores to pick up the GPU's slack. So ports from 360 to PS3 suffered because of poor GPU/CPU optimization, not because the PS3 couldn't handle CPU processes that the 360 could. Basically, Cell had to brute force processes that GPUs do much more efficiently (not to mention the latency between the GPU offloading to CELL, then waiting to receive the finished process so that it could render.)
That's the opposite situation that the Wii U will be in with KSP. If anything, it'll have to send processes to the GPU that the CPU handles on PC. I just don't see how the Wii U's CPU will handle a massive KSP project. People have built ships with hundreds of individual parts, all being independently affected by inertia, wind resistance, heat, and torque (from the pieces connected to them).
It's enough to bring my 4.5GHz i5 to it's knees. On second thought, I just hope this doesn't turn into another Project Cars where the game physics just can't seem to be optimized enough to be playable.
The 360 did it just fine for XNA work. Also, just because it's not possible with the current gen doesn't invalidate my wish for it to become possible with the NX. I was disappointed when I finished the call with NoA and tallied up the final costs. It's be good if regional distribution of devkits could be implemented to reduce the initial investment.
Neuromancer
Member
Indie games appear to be flourishing on both the WiiU and the Vita. Sometimes I wonder if a relative lack of AAA or mid tier games help a little.
bobbychalkers
Member
This just sold me on the game hahaSurprising, but cool. I wonder how it will run, it could bring my reasonably high-end gaming PC to its knees at times. I think that was largely because they were asking the unity engine to do a ton of physics stuff it was never really designed to do. Haven't played in a while, so maybe they've made some optimization passes at or around the 1.0 release.
Also, obligatory xkcd for any Kerbal thread:
CarlieCaplin
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foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Sweet, thanks.
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
Vita can connect to the ps4 via home network or directly to the console itself. And yes, lag may be introduced, but it would probably be easier to build rockets in kerbal on a vita utilizing the touchscreen than it would be with a ds4.
I'm sorry? Streaming from a ps4 to vita is not the same as streaming from an Xbox to a tablet?
Squad now unsure if Kerbal Space Program will release on Wii U
https://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/5q32xj/squad_reevaluating_release_for_kerbal_space/ (via GoNintendo)
https://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/5q32xj/squad_reevaluating_release_for_kerbal_space/ (via GoNintendo)
moltonasty
Member
Switch port coming soon I'd imagine?
bobbychalkers
Member
I remember this being announced, but at this point they should aim for Switch.
I would totally double-dip to play this in tablet mode while watching TV.