This guy is a fucking legend, drinking with this man must be a freakin blast.
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Kiefer Sutherland Talks Metal Gear Solid V
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This guy is a fucking legend, drinking with this man must be a freakin blast.
Shadow2222
Member
Snake and Big Boss I can understand, cause, hey, Snake's a clone, but I still think it is extremely dumb that Huey and Otacon have the same voice.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Your voice is acquired based on environment.
chris randolph has done commercials and other live-action pieces, robin atkin downes has done a lot of live-action and has done mo-cap for video games before
david hayter's last physical performance of any note (because i can't find the short film he was in about a year or so back) was guyver 2, and man, he gives an enjoyable but definitely not great performance
he's not even a voice actor by trade, it's his side job
they wanted someone who acts for a living, and they wanted someone who had experience leading a piece, like sutherland has done on television and film
yeah it sucks they dumped hayter so unceremoniously considering he's probably one of the best ambassadors for the series, but the reasons behind the recast are completely sound
BobTheFork
Member
and then Kiefer fired his .44 into the television
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Is Solidius much older than Liquid and Solid?
Hayter is in Devil's Mile though.
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That's exactly what I think. I know concept art isn't much to go by, but one of the images from the GI article has a much older Big Boss with facial scars and a pony tail (basically an updated Big Boss). There may end up being another time skip and like you said an ending cutscene similar to the one in MGS4 with Big Boss and Solid Snake. Well that's what I'm hoping for because it would be a great way to end Big Boss' story before Metal Gear 1.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Same real time age as Solid and Liquid, but designed to age faster on a genetic level.
EDIT: Actually I think he was born later, but I'm not sure. Either way the second point still stands.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Solidus would theoretically be younger. Eva said she only gave birth to Liquid and Solid, and Solidus is known as the "third" clone. He would have to be born at a later date unless they do some retcons. Again theoretically, the reason Solidus appears so much older is because he has a more severe case of the accelerated aging that Snake experienced in MGS4.
crazyrabbits
Banned
TELL ME WHERE THE BOMB IS!
Inside Paz 
which a.) we can't judge on performance quality yet as it isn't out, and b.) wouldn't have made any difference for a decision made in 2012
Nope. Solidus was created after Solid and Liquid, and his accelerated aging genes were turned on from the start.
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Solidus_Snake#Background
MGS2 happened in 2009, LET project was in early 1970s, and this is not an image of guy that has less than 40 years of age. He looks like he is ~60.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/_.../thumb/f/f9/SolidusI4.png/500px-SolidusI4.png
There is really a good chance that Ishmael is Solidus. If he was born in early 70s, he would be maximum 14 years old in the TPP hospital, but with accelerated genes he would be able to acheve look of a ~20 year old dude [that was voiced by Keifer]
https://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/the-phantom-pain-10.jpg
Fuck yeah, this post!
Anyways, I'm not too shaken up over the loss of Hayter. I liked him a lot but I don't feel so bad since Sutherland is the one taking over, and I'm pretty excited to see how he'll do.
SilverArrow20XX
Walks in the Light of the Crystal
Aging and maturing are two completely different processes. We know Solidus started rapidly aging earlier than Solid, but there's no reason to believe he'd grow into a full adult faster than a normal person. They basically have late onset progeria.
this is really harebrained
solidus was created to age sooner than the other clones, not necessarily faster
solid began to age right around 35/37 (during mgs2) and ended up looking a good 20 years older five years later in 2014 (during mgs4)
if solidus looked old during his presidency (in 2005, let's say his term started in 2004 with a year of campaigning beforehand in 2003) and assume he didn't look quite as old as he did during mgs2 , it's kind of ridiculous to assume solidus would look like a fully grown man at the age of 12 in 1984 (the phantom pain) and look like he's into his 50s and 60s almost 20 years later, the aging would have had to have slowed down before ramping back up again, and the shortened telomeres the clones suffer from do not work like that
solidus most likely started aging rapidly in the early 2000s
Rogue Agent
Banned
I think it would be really fitting if the Ground Zeroes' coma has something to do with Solidus. I mean 9 years is a long time, if Cipher knows about Big Boss which it seems they do as they raided the hospital as soon as he woke up, you'd think they would use his body for some sort of experimentation again. And Cipher working on a "perfect clone", a replacement for a comatose Big Boss sounds about the right time because that would be when the pressure is really on for the Patriots to replace their absent "icon" as soon as possible as opposed to when creating Solid and Liquid Snake who were more like prototypes in comparison. But if he was Ishmael that would give Solidus the mental age of a 9 year old and contradict your theory, I'm just spitballing really.
Created after Solid and Liquid. So he's younger than them. The nine months being a rough guess with gestation. His physical body's condition doesn't change the fact that he's still younger than the twins in terms of actual age. Please stop fail correcting me.
Marvel
could never
Me too.
Ishmael isn't anything other than Big Boss' delusions. 95% certain.
I don't think Kojima will get too involved with the clone thing, especially complicating it. LET is 1972. But you have a certain time allowance when it's all special ops, classified shit. If there'll be any changes it'll be LET taking place around 1975 (the coma). That would make Solid Snake / Liquid Snake 3 years younger, or Kojima will explain it away by saying their youth was accelerated by nanomachines.
Ishmael being Solidus is preposterous. If that happens I will stop playing the game at whatever point that is revealed. Absolutely. Neither is Ishmael Grey Fox, though I do want to see Frank if only for a scene like this (warning, violent knife play).
Hayters snake sounds so unnatural. While I don't think it was totally necessary to get Sutherland, I have no doubt he'll do a better job than his predecessor. Hayter is such a try hard and becomes more a parody of himself with each new game. His 'growl' is way o forced. He was awesome mgs1 though
Rogue Agent
Banned
Yup. And that's something that always bothers me because the backstory in Liberia took place in the late 80s and Solidus would have adopted Raiden when he was like physically or at least mentally 15-17. I suppose there's nothing making that impossible, but it doesn't sound to me like something intended by the narrative, it's more like an oversight. In the viral videos for Rising for example, which are probably not canon I know, they made the "mistake" of making Solidus a middle-aged man at least.
well a lot of child soldiers are taught by other child soldiers, so it's not that weird
and yeah, those rising promos are non-canon as fuck
Rogue Agent
Banned
I don't know about that. They went as far as giving Miller a secret phone call in Peace Walker where they talked about the sons, and this is a direct sequel to that game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMa5TgX624Q
The crazy thing is that Hayter can still hit the MGS1-sounding Snake. But every game since, he started to sound like more and more of a parody of himself.
And I blame the voice directors as well for even letting it get as far as it did in Peace Walker.
Rogue Agent
Banned
That would work but he says "Two already? Really?" implying they've already been born just like the MGS3 timeline stated.
There is a premium package for Ground Zeroes...
Ein Bear
Member
Either that or Punished Snake is not Big Boss which is what Im betting on
This makes sense, if only for the fact that the end of Peace Walker had him embrace the name 'Big Boss', so it seems a bit odd to go back to calling him Snake in the sequel.
It's probably a Christian Bale type thing. When you don't have someone on the outside looking in it's easy to make weird vocal choices, I suppose.
With MGS1, and the localization being handled by native English speakers, I can see why his performance in that game is better. Solid Snake is written less philosophically, or at least more monosyllabic. He was cast, and probably vocally directed, by people who would be willing to tell him when he's sounding silly. Cast Hayter as Snake in an American developer Metal Gear Solid and you'll see the best performance he can give.
I think if Hayter were to voice a youngish Solid Snake again he'd be fine.
The two times he sounded bad was in MGS4/PW. MGS4 for obvious reasons but I think in PW he was trying to a bit too hard to make Big Boss sound slightly aged from MGS3 and perhaps include a bit of grit in his voice to make it seem like he's now a war veteran that's seen a lot of shit. Still wasn't his best performance though for sure.
I'm probably coming off as a Hayter defender but honestly I'm fine with Kiefer playing Big Boss and he'll probably do a lot better then Hayter but I don't think people should just declare that Hayter is terrible now. I'd like to hear him again as Solid Snake (not old snake) and then judge him on that.
The two times he sounded bad was in MGS4/PW. MGS4 for obvious reasons but I think in PW he was trying to a bit too hard to make Big Boss sound slightly aged from MGS3 and perhaps include a bit of grit in his voice to make it seem like he's now a war veteran that's seen a lot of shit. Still wasn't his best performance though for sure.
I'm probably coming off as a Hayter defender but honestly I'm fine with Kiefer playing Big Boss and he'll probably do a lot better then Hayter but I don't think people should just declare that Hayter is terrible now. I'd like to hear him again as Solid Snake (not old snake) and then judge him on that.
Only in Japan.
Maybe they should make it standard. Maybe it would be worth the money they're asking for it then.
Not for me though. I'm not really into action figures.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I agree. But they're calling him "Snake" in Ground Zeroes as well... an imposter in the 80s is a stretch but an imposter in the 70s would just be ridiculous.
TetraGenesis
Member
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I used to love Hayter as Snake but people are fooling themselves if they think he had what it takes to pull off the acting necessary for full body and face motion capture on top of just voicing the part.
Its a shame that they've got these new voice talents but still have corny dialogue. They should bring back Jeremy blaustein, because people don't say stuff like "now go and let the legend come back to life!" Or "kaz I'm already a demon". They've seemingly learnrd a lot from Naughty Dog in dynamic animation as well so why not localize this properly? I hope that at no point in the game that they refer to him as punished snake, such a stupid name, codename or not.
i think that might be down to the sheer theatrics of the dialogue in metal gear rather than bad translation
bad translation is the immensely droll math lesson
big boss gives at the end of mgs4
TheCthultist
Member
Not sure I can get behind that, but he definitely seems like a decent substitute. I'll miss Hayter's growl, but his vocal cords have more than earned a break.
IdreamofHIME
Member
I was reading an interview with him yesterday about the new 24 season and he was talking about how he's never watched an episode or even one of his movies since the 80's.
So I doubt he's gonna play though MGSV like Hayter would have.
So I doubt he's gonna play though MGSV like Hayter would have.
Absolutely part of it. And more reason to have Blaustein back, he was fired because he made the dialogue more natural, essentially changing some parts rather than directly translating. He knows how to reign it in which kojima being the micromanager doesn't like.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
hayter was cringe inducing in every post mgs1 game, not just 4 and PW. 2 isn't as bad as the rest but it's a noticeable step down from 1. he goes anime.
well we'll wait and see.
they'd be better off handing translation to 8-4 rather than someone who is actively disgruntled with kojima though
not surprising. he said something to the like that his kids or young relatives play mgs though, so at least his copy will be going somewhere worthwhile instead of lingering on a shelf or in a garbage can
They already did make a movie like this Keifer, it was called AVATAR.
I'm surprised they're going with this method- with him infront of dozens of cameras...
The technique used to AVATAR, RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, and also, I think, in the game L.A. NOIRE seem to be superior (you know, with the headmounted camera).
Anyways, sounds cool. But sad that he knows next to nothing about games and obviously very little about this series according to what he is saying. And thats just sad.
Makes me even more pissed about David Hayter not being casted because he actually played all of the games and knew the characters (BB and SS) probably as good as anyone.
EDIT: Well I just read the post by idreamofhime and that definitely makes me less uneasy.
I will admit his voice isn't THAT unlike Hayters... He tends to hang the vowels as Snake does.
I'm surprised they're going with this method- with him infront of dozens of cameras...
The technique used to AVATAR, RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, and also, I think, in the game L.A. NOIRE seem to be superior (you know, with the headmounted camera).
Anyways, sounds cool. But sad that he knows next to nothing about games and obviously very little about this series according to what he is saying. And thats just sad.
Makes me even more pissed about David Hayter not being casted because he actually played all of the games and knew the characters (BB and SS) probably as good as anyone.
EDIT: Well I just read the post by idreamofhime and that definitely makes me less uneasy.
I will admit his voice isn't THAT unlike Hayters... He tends to hang the vowels as Snake does.
Only in Japan.
i really hope those aren't the actually colors in game- the bright neon green isn't even close to being tactical. he looks like he plays for the Seahawks!
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