It shouldn't be bashed. I also just played both games at 4k 60 fps and ki definitely looks more impressive. This is coming from someone who enjoys sfv much more too.
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Killer Instinct on W10 framerate tied to monitor refresh - with 144hz it's unplayable
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Super Rookie
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Surely installing 3rd party software to fix this type of issue seems more of a hassle than just changing the monitors refresh rate?
Now if the game had frame pacing issues then I could understand this logic.
nkarafo
Member
I mean, seriously. The moment people complained about being unable to use 3rd patry utilities to fix/improve games, a game is released which has a major problem that said utilities would fix.
It's like Microsoft does this on purpose to troll the PC community.
Already pointed out on the last page that you CAN limit the framerate with your video card software. So this is literally a nothing issue. Yeah, it can and should be fixed, and probably will be.
I ended up uninstalling all games I bought that had GFWL. Sometimes simply freaking logging in was an impossible task, it was awful. This game, though? If they fix this, it's going to be a fantastic version of the game.
I mean, presuming you launch the game once and never again, I guess?
I'd take downloading a 3rd party app to cap it once over having to change my refresh rate every time I play a game.
Are you on dual monitors?
This wasn't an issue at 120hz for whatever reason, but at 60hz, I encountered screen tearing at fullscreen if I had two monitors hooked up.
Digital Savior
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Street Fighter 5 does this too. Friend had the same problem. Fighting games tied to the frame rate is the reason.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I said it needs fixing. I also know they're not new. But they're also not what the majority of monitors are either. It would have been an oversight.
I mentioned the OP because I'm fairly confident he doesn't own an Xbox and generally isn't a Microsoft fan so most likely doesn't own KI at all. So his need to start this thread just reeks of an agenda is all.
You want a Microsoft owned and published game out of the cluthces of Microsoft.
Like it or not they are bringing over games to Windows which potentially never were going to be. You are not entitled to have it on steam, you are not entitled to be able to mod the game.
At the moment all I'm seeing is that the only problem so far with this being UWP is the locked frame rate which we dont even know if UWP is responsible for or if it's just an oversight in development. If it doesn't get fixed for the few users with high response monitors then it pretty awful but you are condemning something so far with out giving it a chance. Grow up, enjoy games as a gamer, not a fan boy. You sound like an idiot.
Nah, just one. Asus Rog Swift. Was pretty rough. o.o
But this is, ultimately, an UWP issue. Without UWP, we wouldn't even have to wait for a fix.
UWP is at issue.
UWP is responsible for people being unable to lock the frame rate manually and lack of Gsync support.
Changing the monitor's refresh rate is a huge hassle.
It is actually pretty uncommon, not just for the genre, but for gaming as a whole. The last game I recall tying logic to refresh was like Toukiden Kiwami and that was a bug only on Gsync monitors and caused a similar effect here. I can't recall a game in the past few years that's had this issue besides that.
^^^ if UWP is the issue why can that do it? i don't know much about it or using/making 3rd party software
but if that can do it surely someone can make something else that can do it
No you're right. I let the dream of 4k Killer Instinct get the better of me. Other than some content unlocking issues the game runs beautifully and I am in no way downing the game at all. It looks amazing even at full 1080p compared to the Xbox One version. 4k will just have to wait.
I appreciate the way UWP delivers applications default to 60hz but that doesn't mean it's a limitation of the platform. It may just be the developers overlooked options. If they do fix this then it's another one we can tick off that people often complain about UWP being limited in scope
Syncing frame logic with monitor is a console programming behaviour. At least the game is not running 50HZ on european monitors...
Hentailover
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SuperÑ;199600090 said:
This is a joke post? Right. In case somebody decide to take it seriously, i will still leave a responce to rebunk this:
Physics tied to framerate=/=unlocked framerate. It's basically is the same as locked framerate, cuz you need to lock it to make it playable.
Also, nobody wants unlocked framerate in a fighting game. not even PC players... fighting games are balanced on frame by frame basis, meaning every single person playing should be playing at the same framerate, otherwise game mechanics simply break down.
AcceptableGhost
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The problem with this is that there are a ton of users (>100 million) using Steam. So say >1080p monitors are like, 2-3% of the market. That is 2-3% of that ton of users if the Steam HW survey is an accurate representation of the user base. Also, chances are if a user shelled out money for a 1440p monitor or a high hz monitor, they are probably on average more likely to play some higher end games. Probably not a common customer but not rare enough to not test for it at all.
You don't even need a high refresh rate monitor to test the effects of high frame rate scenarios either, you can simply disable vsync and just let the game run (although considering the UWP circumstances, perhaps they literally have never / could never run it with vsync off?).
Then use the other solution already posted. Or are you just gonna keep ignoring it?
Should probably update the OP.
That's not a solution; manually activating and deactivating a global frame rate limit is about as much of a hassle as changing the monitor's refresh rate.
point stands if that can affect UWP surely other things can be made to also
GHG
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It's a pretty big oversight considering high refresh rate monitors are now a staple feature/option of PC gaming. This isn't some obsucure tech we are talking about here. If you are developing a game for the PC now it's something that should be taken into consideration from the outset. It's not 2013 anymore.
It also doesn't matter who starts the topic, it's an issue that needed to be highlighted as it would with any other game. Should we have waited for you to start the topic? Would that have been better?
Wanting a game to be an open win32 app like virtually every other PC game makes you a fanboy now? That's a new one.
Read again, Steam is not the only DD platform he mentions.
OP only get's updated with more issues, not solutions, silly!
"Solutions"
Maybe MS could update UWP to not be so problematic? And while they're at it, fix their Xbox Controller driver that's been broken for a month.
Well, workarounds. They exist and should be mentioned.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Limiting the framerate through Inspector is not a global change. I did it on an application-specific basis and that 60hz change affects only Killer Instinct.
The only problem here is that you're trying to make an issue out of something that is already workably fixed, and will be patched asap, and trying to blame the entire thing on UWP because...agenda? who knows. Someone posted a problem, solution got posted, and now you've gotta try and push whatever irrational hatred you have still because M$?
Hm, I guess I stand corrected then. Interpreted your post as being a global frame rate change. That improves the situation. Still less flexible than regular win32.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Just set your monitor to 60hz until the patch is out guys. For people with 30hz monitors, just wait a bit until a patch is out.
For real, people are acting crazy in here. This is why I try not to venture into gamingGaf as often as I'd like. It's embarrassing.
For real, people are acting crazy in here. This is why I try not to venture into gamingGaf as often as I'd like. It's embarrassing.
Movalpolos
Banned
So when does the free win10 upgrade end? I would like to take advantage of it, but I think I might wait to the last minute in hope for more updates.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Some people did and they still have tearing. So something isn't right here.
On PC for the last 25 years at least programmers have known how to separate the gameplay update rate from the display frame rate, because display rate vary from monitor to monitor. Game logic runs at a fixed rate (60fps for fighting games), rendering runs at whatever it can handle. It's not very hard and the windows SDK has several very good samples which you can just copy paste. It's not the hello world of PC game programming, but certainly the next step. Not doing it is a typical basic console port mistake, though it seems UWP is also to blame here.
Dinky Dino
Member
Some people are clearly overreacting when it's likely an issue that can be quickly fixed
Either way it is a good example of why UWPs limitations need to be culled quickly
Today MS has that build thing started so I'll hear them out to see if they're making it more open
Two options imo
1. They focus on what people want with a clear planning path
2. They say stuff like we're fixing vsync and multi gpu (easy stuff they can fix) while being vague about the rest thinking it's enough to fool people
Either way it is a good example of why UWPs limitations need to be culled quickly
Today MS has that build thing started so I'll hear them out to see if they're making it more open
Two options imo
1. They focus on what people want with a clear planning path
2. They say stuff like we're fixing vsync and multi gpu (easy stuff they can fix) while being vague about the rest thinking it's enough to fool people
justsomeguy
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Hentailover
Member
Nice PR talk, but they are just contributing to the issue that has been happening for ages now. Everything is in SUCH A FUCKING RUSH to get launched, it's all so barebones and undercooked, it's like entire industry is in a state of Steam Early Access...
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