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Killer is Dead 'can fuck off into space' - Matt Lees talks about "Gigolo mode"
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For cash? No.
Though you do not offer handmade pottery or a music box either.
Yes, if we do not care about context and reduce it to 'you ogle women and have sex with them' it does sound quite creepy.
At least games like Bully kept it just to kissing
I really don't want to derail the topic but what's the deal with Watermelon? It's just watery and weird and I hate it.
Fried chicken is a fucking godsend though
You forgot the sweet part. It's a refreshing sweet watery fruit that's a perfect snack on a hot summer day.
Watermelon is cool, juicy and refreshing on a hot summer day. Sure it's got nothing on the Mango for taste but it's pretty good.
Jam_Sponge
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No-one fucks with the mango.
bryanee
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Well now I want a god damn jam sponge with custard because of your name, curse you to hell Matt.
CaptainGyro
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Yes, it shows more than one girl that the guy is trying give gifts too, That still doesn't show that it "overwhelmingly portrays women" as a group that will have sex for either booze, flowers or cold hard cash.
also here are some quotes from hatsuu in this thread:
"“One such gift available to give to girls is a coin that is clearly not meant as currency, as it is one among many other items, including a rose, chewing gum, perfume or a necklace."
"you’ll gain an opportunity to present one of several gifts you’ve purchased for her; depending on the girl, she’ll like some gifts more than others. If she’s charmed enough, she’ll invite you to her place and you invite her to yours for completely consensual sex.”\
"You can also get a good idea of what each girl likes based on, well, them. Obviously a girl like Koharu, who is presented as very demure, is probably not going to like a flashy watch, and obviously a go-getter like Natalia isn't going to have any interest in a cute baby doll as a gift"
Now I guess you still might find it offensive that a woman might actually sleep with him after receiving a gift, but it says this will happen IF she's charmed enough. Meaning, that she could also turn him down even with the offers of gifts
There is no gift of cold, hard cash. And there never was. I'm not sure where Mr. Lees got that idea, but it has never at any point been part of the gift list during Gigolo Mode.
Also, there are only three women you can proposition in Gigolo Mode. And that's including the DLC character -- the main list only includes two women. (There is a fourth woman as well, Scarlett, but she can only be wooed by finding her hiding spot in various stages, then completing a series of physical challenges for her -- it's not technically part of Gigolo Mode, and functions completely differently.)
The game as a whole, on the other hand, has a very large cast of female characters, including coworkers, clients and execution targets, most of whom are quite badass (Mika... is not badass, but rather moe, and that's a whole other discussion. I like her, you may not -- however, if you dislike her, it won't be for the same reasons that you dislike the Gigolo Mode characters).
Anyway, my point is, this game does not "overwhelmingly" portray women behaving in this manner. It includes a very small handful of women who behave in this manner, but the vast majority of its female cast does not.
-Tom
It is pretty fucking creepy, I don't even think the XSEED team would deny that, but that's sort of the point, isn't it? And it's totally OK not to like it.
I just don't feel (and don't appreciate efforts at making me feel) that I am mysoginistic for appreciating its silly absurdity.
I'm glad you decided to join the discussion and hope you don't take some of the more insulting comments to heart.
Master Nairb
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I was not going to buy this game until this thread explained to me what it was about.
You know what they say "Variety is the spice of life"
I want to see men and women portrayed in many different ways.
Indeed, I predicted this.
Mr. Somebody
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The elitist attitude some of these gamers are taking is becoming disheartening. Its like every gaming experience has to line up with their personal expectations. It seems like its becoming rare for games to be judged based on their own personal strengths/merits/mechanics but instead the personal feelings of what the reviewer think it should be and the critiques often grasp at straws. This reminds me of the article written by Polygon for The Last of Us where the reviewer gave it a bad review because he didnt like the way the game was making him feel. Where are we going?
Is this a legitimate gripe or are reviewers enjoying the feeling that their personal opinions about frivilous aspects of games have sway over public opinion and could possibly doom a game before its even released. I appreciate the comments in this thread friends. This reviewer wants to see Killer Is Dead Flop because he didnt like an OPTIONAL MINI GAME? Sickening. We've got to purge these demonic gaming pundits from our midst.
Is this a legitimate gripe or are reviewers enjoying the feeling that their personal opinions about frivilous aspects of games have sway over public opinion and could possibly doom a game before its even released. I appreciate the comments in this thread friends. This reviewer wants to see Killer Is Dead Flop because he didnt like an OPTIONAL MINI GAME? Sickening. We've got to purge these demonic gaming pundits from our midst.
Arc Christelle
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Hmmm.... That is some extreme shit. Racism and Gender issues aren't really on the same level despite popular belief. But if I had to think of some Gender based shit to reach that level of extreme....
What if the game required Mondo to analyze females in order to play off of their insecurities to make them feel either less than a woman. What if the goal was to trick them into feeling bad about themselves thus feeling that they may need him or some truly misogynistic sociopath type shit like that? (Now that I think about it... that actually sounds pretty interesting, twisted but interesting).
What if after spending time you had the freedom to disregard their existence or even mistreat them, label them worthless or something like that?
I think that would match this statement more than Mondo checking girls out and buying them presents.
EDIT: To make things even better (comedically), When questioned about the reason for this gameplay Suda replies with, "Because bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks."
I think that would be a legitimate reason to outrage.
Not Gigolo Mode.
Mr. Somebody
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What next, griping because after running over blocks of pedestrians on sidewalks in GTAV you dont get locked up and put in prison for life?
reptilescorpio
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So can it still fuck off into space or is it okay now that you know more about the game?
No, now we cry because family members(including wife) are tied to gameplay mechanics and you keep them alive to not suffer losses/bonuses. Which is problematic
You're right this game isn't about feminism. No one who saw the commercials would've expected that.
You're wrong to portray his dismay as one about defending woman's rights. He was trying very hard to point out that in a game that tried to make you act like a smooth sexual predator your only tactics involved ogling and determining how she thinks through the magical powers of leering. Suda fell flat on his face here with this mini-game based by your on criteria what the game was trying to convey.
Wait till the Castle Doctrine thread pops up
Arc Christelle
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Why is he a sexual predator???
Yeah, that's a very good question. Every bit of sex that occurs in this game is 100% consensual.
-Tom
Mr. Somebody
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Should all games have some level of realism? Its almost as if friends play a realistic game with high production value, play another game and then say, why is this game not like the game i just played.
GuessMyUserName
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Still got this page left to read but I just gotta throw this in:
I've been seeing people say the gifts are sexist because "NOT EVERY GIRL LIKES FLOWERS, THIS GAME MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN TOSS FLOWERS AT A GIRL AND SHE'LL GO DOWN ON YOU"
But... not even every girl Gigilo Mode likes flowers. This game doesn't make this statement that all girls love flowers AT ALL, and in fact does quite the opposite: Different girls like different things. Now this is simply in Gigilo Mode, not even the full game itself. As mentioned by the XSeed Cats here, the game has its own real female characters but instead nobody is every talking about them.
It seriously frustrates me when I see people pointing out one example of a female character and claim a game is sexist for it and ignore every other character. This is exactly what went on with Dragon's Crown where everybody piled on the Sorceress and looked nowhere else. Now it's come to the point where a game can never feature a female character that likes flowers without having a big uproar. There are many ladies in the world, not all of them submit to the ages old cliches but some DO and there's nothing wrong with featuring some.
I've been seeing people say the gifts are sexist because "NOT EVERY GIRL LIKES FLOWERS, THIS GAME MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN TOSS FLOWERS AT A GIRL AND SHE'LL GO DOWN ON YOU"
But... not even every girl Gigilo Mode likes flowers. This game doesn't make this statement that all girls love flowers AT ALL, and in fact does quite the opposite: Different girls like different things. Now this is simply in Gigilo Mode, not even the full game itself. As mentioned by the XSeed Cats here, the game has its own real female characters but instead nobody is every talking about them.
It seriously frustrates me when I see people pointing out one example of a female character and claim a game is sexist for it and ignore every other character. This is exactly what went on with Dragon's Crown where everybody piled on the Sorceress and looked nowhere else. Now it's come to the point where a game can never feature a female character that likes flowers without having a big uproar. There are many ladies in the world, not all of them submit to the ages old cliches but some DO and there's nothing wrong with featuring some.
Another immediate thought that came to mind as soon as I first saw this was about the X-ray Specs. Killer is Dead is not the first game in the world to come up with the idea, it's something that has been joked about since hell, the 1950s (not a seriously accurate year, but "a long time"). If they were real you better believe everybody would've ordered them from their cut-out catalogs way back when.
Well this thread gave me a good laugh because I thought GT was parodying Killer is Dead.
Before I answer that. What are your thoughts on everything else I said? Your response will tell me whether or not you actually understood how I was using that figure of speech.
Before I answer that. What are your thoughts on everything else I said? Your response will tell me whether or not you actually understood how I was using that figure of speech.
Peter Bazooka
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That's cool. I wouldn't want to write an actual rebuff to my horribly researched opinion piece either.
Romars202129
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Comedy is offensive, and shouldn't be allowed in video games! And anyone who tries, needs to be thrown out of the industry! NYAH!
Arc Christelle
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Would it matter? You kinda just threw it out there in derogatory manner. Hence why I asked. It seems like you're now trying to set me up for some response in order to counter my views. Which in the end, you still wouldn't have answered my question if you did.
So... why is he a sexual predator?
EDIT: Also "figure of speech" wouldn't be a good defense. Sexual Predator is a devastating label, and something pretty serious.
H.Protagonist
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He's actually not XSEED 'marketing'. ^_^ The 'marketing' tag is just from our registration emails (I had this tag as well for a while), and anyone who knows Tom knows he's our office fanboy/proponent of games from a player level and as far removed from Marketing as the marketing team can get him.
In response to Hatsuu, though, her point was not that there wasn't room to be offended (as it's a shallow portion of the game, no denies this), but that your video was particularly misleading. Your specifics were wrong and dramatized to fit your argument. It's not that I don't believe there's a need to improve the position and representation of women in gaming (as a female gamer I also fervently want this to change), but presenting things as you did was only a disservice to that end because now the only takeaway people seem to have is "lol feminism." :/
Manabanana
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Now I'm interested. Where do I preorder to get the glasses or any other bonuses?
I agree with this. There's no question that the extra publicity will either:
a) get more people on board who had no idea what KiD was, or
b) spur more people to buy the game out of some principle of opposing self-righteous, misinformed "journalism"
It's obvious that reporting more about what's "good" and more of what you want to see - rather than what you don't - will encourage more interest in those "good" games.
I agree that reporting the "bad" makes more people aware and creates discussion, but ultimately the result is detrimental to the goal. I'd be interested to know what those defending Lees (and other recent outbursts of gaming controversy) think about this.
Throwaway123456789
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You must HATE the old Leisure Suit Larry games. Where's that rolleyes emoticon?
What about the new one? That's actually been released and can be played/critiqued by anyone.
Mr.Monitor
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Yo, to all the XSEED people hanging around this thread, you guys are badass. Just wanted to let you know that.
how could you possibly type that, and not see how cowardly it comes off as?
runnin_blue
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I thought "The chap who works for XSEED's marketing department" was actually a female, but whatever.
So you post a controversial video, don't like the general response it gets & so, you are going to take your ball & go home...
For a "journalist" championing maturity in gaming, you just lost my respect. Not that I expect you to care.
I find your voice and subject matter in your videos extremely annoying & so I choose not to watch them from now on. Just like anyone else can choose not to play this game if they find it morally offensive.
Wonderful living in a democracy, isn't it?
Have a nice day
There are three of us from XSEED posting in this topic, and of the three, I'm the only dude. And none of us are in marketing -- H.Protagonist and I are localization, and Hatsuu is a production assistant.
-Tom
No problem chap, let's all chap off into space chap. Chap, you look good chap. Chap you had good points chap. Chap hey how are you?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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her. Put your fingers in your ears if you must but get your goddamn facts right.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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OniBarubary
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With 3 XSEED employees now in this thread, can we simply turn this into a thread begging them to bring games over?
No?
...alright then...
No?
...alright then...
drakengard3pls
Anybody that could bring Yakuza 5 would be my hero.
LOL @ Drakengard 3. I can already imagine the threads on that.
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