GG don't do downgrades lol. Only upgrades. They always leave final visual polish to the last few months. Just the way they organise their work flow.
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Killzone Shadow Fall | Full Forest level gameplay | Best looking game of show?
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GG don't do downgrades lol. Only upgrades. They always leave final visual polish to the last few months. Just the way they organise their work flow.
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Wind's Howling
Member
Herman Hulst. I actually met the guy once in Amsterdam when Guerilla Games was not so popular yet. It is funny how every time I walk by their office almost every single day, I am a few meters way of KillZone Shadow Fall.
TUROK
Member
They've never made a launch title for a new system either.
The game is complete. They're just bug testing and polishing now. There was an interview with the game director who stated as much. Oh ye of little faith!
MikeJAMoran
Member
It does look very good, but my opinion stands. I think Killzone and Battlefield look better in motion.
I don't know why, but there's a quality to The Division that makes it seem like a really well lit and anti-aliased version of what we're already seeing. I'm sure that technically speaking, it's much more than that, but it's just what I think. It is also open world and multiplayer, though, which is pretty amazing.
nelsonroyale
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No, no, I was talking about the Division. Sure the first view of the bridge looked great, but during actual gameplay/fire fights, it looked about on par with most of the other good looking next gen games, bar a few like KZ, FFXV, MGSV, and Infamous which impressed me more.
Ah, gotcha!
SneakyStephan
Banned
Not a convincing forest at all, the vegetation just looks plain bad to me.
The city scene looked a lot better to me.
And yeah pop in out the wazoo
The city scene looked a lot better to me.
And yeah pop in out the wazoo
Wind's Howling
Member
That draw distance @ 8:45 to 9:00.
Can not wait for open world games to do that.
Can not wait for open world games to do that.
Didn't impress me at all. I'm not so thrilled by the environment first of all, kz always had his peculiar art direction and now seems so....generic.
Neither infamous second son impress me that much, the character design is annoying, really and the animations of the guy are a litlle sniff in my opinion. Still looking forward it because I simply love the franchise.
Neither infamous second son impress me that much, the character design is annoying, really and the animations of the guy are a litlle sniff in my opinion. Still looking forward it because I simply love the franchise.
Killzone 4 is focusing on scale it seems, so things look amazing when the camera is pulled back and you can see everything, but that comes at somewhat of a sacrifice when you are actually in the action. If the game took the smaller scale, more linear approach of KZ3, this game would look completely different... but I suppose it's as Guerilla said... it's more about using the additional power of ps4 for expanding gameplay.
publicpwnerer
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Graphically it's impressive, but the "bigger" environments are too claustrophobic.
In the video shown, it makes the game look SOMEWHAT more tactical...but I'm guessing 99% of people will just run & gun like a traditionally linear shooter, and the game won't punish you for it.
I want tactics and depth from my shooters. When I was younger, the linear cinematic experiences captivated me, but as I get older and more experienced, you realise the amount of control and interactivity you have over...is very minimal.
In the video shown, it makes the game look SOMEWHAT more tactical...but I'm guessing 99% of people will just run & gun like a traditionally linear shooter, and the game won't punish you for it.
I want tactics and depth from my shooters. When I was younger, the linear cinematic experiences captivated me, but as I get older and more experienced, you realise the amount of control and interactivity you have over...is very minimal.
it's confirmed to be 30fps.
Pretty much. I was never a big fan of Killzone (first Halo, now Crysis for me) but aside from that it just looks too familiar. I don't see any jump over what we currently have, the sort of jump that you get when watching The Division footage. Or Battlefield 4. I think visually those two games are way beyond what Killzone 4 delivers. And BF 4 runs at 60 fps, it's simply amazing.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
The next Killzone will likely aim for 60, since GG will have more experience with the system and the rest of the shooters seem to be aiming for it now.
yeah, i've noticed a lot more talk about 60fps on console over the past few days. Good news. A solid 30fps is tolerable but 60fps is delicious (that's why i multiplat on PC where possible)
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Could be the case, IIRC tons of games do this while demoing to the public.
StevePharma
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Division looks great but maybe it could receive a substantial downgrade like Watch_Dogs.
I was really impressed though when the Division intro swooped into gameplay perspective.
nelsonroyale
Member
Personally, I think KZ looks as good as either, but at least to Divisions credit it is open world. Battlefield looks about as scripted and funneled as FFXIII. It really doesn't look more impressive to me at all. More realistic and gritty perhaps, but that is about it.
StevenPharma: Watch the most recent WD footage. There looks to be more aliasing than the initial reveal, but otherwise it looks just as good visually.
Stillmatic
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childplease
Banned
God those textures are horrendous.
How can people say this looks better than Battlefield ?
How can people say this looks better than Battlefield ?
nelsonroyale
Member
Textures look great it is just the motion blur that sometimes seems excessive.
Anyway, the draw distance is immense. You can see the whole city shown in the initial reveal spread out below you.
childplease
Banned
Dunno man the textures look pretty low rest in alot of the shots.
Might be a cross gen game.
That looks mighty low res compared to the other next gen games.
chicko1983
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60 FPS means lower textures maybe?
nelsonroyale
Member
What exactly looks low res there? Looks pretty detailed to me. I think the bloom and motion blur often makes the texture detail hard to see.
Officerrob
Banned
Visually I think it looks pretty good, but damn if the gameplay doesn't look boring as hell
childplease
Banned
Character models. The letters on his neck are even hard to read.
dapperbandit
Banned
Obviously it looks very nice which is good, although there were a couple of times where some of the lighting, which was otherwise great, got a bit blinding, BF3 flashlight style.
In terms of gameplay, it's interesting that the area is more open and objectives can be completed in any order, and the order you do it will affect the gameplay. Also the Owl (doesn't look like an Owl but I love the name) looks like it could affect gameplay in some interesting ways.
If there's a games bundle when the console is released I'll definitely get KZ:SF. In a perfect world I'd get Infamous: SS too but you can't have everything.
In terms of gameplay, it's interesting that the area is more open and objectives can be completed in any order, and the order you do it will affect the gameplay. Also the Owl (doesn't look like an Owl but I love the name) looks like it could affect gameplay in some interesting ways.
If there's a games bundle when the console is released I'll definitely get KZ:SF. In a perfect world I'd get Infamous: SS too but you can't have everything.
nelsonroyale
Member
Eh, looks fine to me. You could obtain such an unflattering shot from BF4 footage we have seen as well. Textures could be upped a bit I admit, but the original reveal of this game looked better than anything I have seen in BF4, and the environment looks much more impressive in scale and design to me.
Don't mind him. He's just a troll who even got banned from N4G.
UpUpDownDown
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Thing is, games don't just use textures anymore. They use "shaders", with a texture being one part of the shader network. When i look at the KZ shot, you can actually tell what each bit of his suit is made of.
Worn leather shoulder straps. Plastic looking radio in a leather carrying case, with rubber wires running out of it. His chest-piece has a padded foam/nylon rim thingy along the top.
...and those shoulder pads, so rubbery!! Yum!
With good shaders. You shouldn't have to use your imagination to know what things are made of.
PS: i am buying both of these awesome games!!
Worn leather shoulder straps. Plastic looking radio in a leather carrying case, with rubber wires running out of it. His chest-piece has a padded foam/nylon rim thingy along the top.
...and those shoulder pads, so rubbery!! Yum!
Here in BF the face looks great, with nice SS on the skin. The leather glove on the screen left character looks, okay. But the details...clips, hoses, belts, etc on his uniform all look like the same material. I wouldn't say there's any lack of textures in this shot, but it is clearly less visually descriptive.
With good shaders. You shouldn't have to use your imagination to know what things are made of.
PS: i am buying both of these awesome games!!
This is the kind of hyperbolic bullshit posts that reminds me why I put users on the IL in the first place. If only this were a Xbox exclusive...
Another hyperbolic bs post. Reason: Cherry picking and a lack of understanding of asset prioritizing. In motion you would have never seen what you would nitpicking through frame by frame of any game. That texture is truly low res, but it is one the few textures that I have seen to be low res and only noticeable in stills because in motion we will be seeing them for around a second as the camera zooms that close to the objects in questions.
th4tguy
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To be fair, it's a launch title and they were only using 2 gigs of ram until Feb. May not be enough time to start reworking the textures to take advantage of more ram (one of the things that benefits the most from more ram). I'm sure a lot of stuff is locked in place as to not cause anything problems that would prevent it from shipping at launch.
The Praiseworthy
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This will be the first game I'll play on my PS4.
Bruce Campbell87
Banned
I'm still crying, the worst product I've ever bought. I really can't understand why Sony give them money to make "videogames".
Always-honest
Banned
Child, please...
Wildstar75
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Did anyone actually see Division live?
I saw BF4 singleplayer at MS booth, and Killzone and Destiny (stage demo) at Sony's booth. I tried to get into the division ad Ubi's booth and they told me press only
If you have a blue wrist band and get into the Sony area Killzone is playable. Unfortunately for the masses it is not. Forza and RYSE also looked amazing!
I saw BF4 singleplayer at MS booth, and Killzone and Destiny (stage demo) at Sony's booth. I tried to get into the division ad Ubi's booth and they told me press only
If you have a blue wrist band and get into the Sony area Killzone is playable. Unfortunately for the masses it is not. Forza and RYSE also looked amazing!Metroid-Squadron
Banned
You're putting a BS up against compressed video and video captures. This is when you do exact like for like.
Am I supposed to be impressed by pointy rocks? LOL Trees are actually quite sparse. Crysis 1 smokes it in that department. Not to mention level size.
All the pop-up in the videos doesn't help either.