XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
So what ultimately triggered Konami's fall from what it was to what it is now? Too much reliance on MGS and PES?Aeana said:
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Konami: The Suikoden Team Has Been Disbanded, We Have Lost Our RPG Know-How
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I think obsession is a better word.XiaNaphryz said:
Dark Schala
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I don't know if it's because I'm extremely tired, but my heart doesn't feel broken. I feel a little more determined, really.duckroll said:
Weren't sales of the series declining, at least in Japan, and that could have also factored into it?thcsquad said:
Not sure if these numbers are accurate, but...
Suikoden II sold 214,608 units in 1998, 159,711 units in 1999 = 374,319
http://geimin.net/da/db/1998_ne_fa/index.php
http://geimin.net/da/db/1999_ne_fa/index.php
The rest of the Suikoden titles, for the PS2 are nicely charted on this graph.
http://garaph.info/softwaregroup.php?grid=128
Suikoden III - 377,729
Suikoden IV - 303,069
Suikoden V - 194,780
I am unsure of Tierkreis's numbers. Wiki says it's 150K in Japan, but surely that number is outdated by now.
cj_iwakura
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III was my favorite of the original trilogy. I understand it's best considered to have died there.
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*internet high five*Dark Schala said:
In known (or highly likely) active development we have:cosmicblizzard said:FUCK
There goes another JRPG series. What are we down to?
Existing Series:
-Dragon Quest (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy (Square Enix)
-Kingdom Hearts (Square Enix)
-Dark Souls (Namco Bandai)
-Tales (Namco Bandai)
-Digimon (Namco Bandai)
-Ar Tonelico (Namco Bandai)
-Devil Survivor (Atlus)
-Persona (Atlus)
-Etrian Odyssey (Atlus)
-Disgaea (Nippon Ichi)
-Phantasy Star (Sega)
-7th Dragon (Sega)
-Valkyria Chronicles (Sega)
-Luminous Arc (ImageEpoch)
-Black Rock Shooter (ImageEpoch)
-Inazuma Eleven (Level 5)
-Atelier (Gust)
New IPs:
-Frontier Gate (Konami)
-Beyond The Labyrinth (Konami)
-Ninokuni (Level 5)
-Fantasy Life (Level 5)
-Type-Moon Project (ImageEpoch)
It's possible to argue Dragon's Dogma as an JRPG, but Capcom is quite insistent that it's much more of an action game, so I'll go with their opinion on this one.
I'm probably missing some, and I intentionally excluded anything that was ultra vague like half of ImageEpoch's non-announcements.
airmangataosenai
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I still need to find a copy of II somewhere. Loved the first one. 
-Pyromaniac-
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Welp, as a huge Suikoden fan (mainline) I was always in denial even though I knew the series was probably dead. Guess it's 100%. Time to move on, sadface.
duckroll said:Yeah well, I'm not faulting anyone for doing it, I just didn't want to do it myself!
Because you didn't want this...
WHAT IS KONAMI? A MISERABLE PILE OF METAL GEAR REHASHES, BUT ENOUGH TALK! HAVE AT YOU! *stabs OP*
Look what you made me do, Konami? Do you think I like killing people to get Suikoden 2 on PSN? Huh? DO YOU?
FINALFANTASYDOG
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duckroll said:Yeah well, I'm not faulting anyone for doing it, I just didn't want to do it myself!
Duck , just curious that info isn't in the interview(about the trade-off, idea coming from Konami). Where did you get that news from(or is it just a perfectly valid assumption)?
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Why, though? The staff still works at Konami and they obviously still own the IP. Development teams disband all the time.-Pyromaniac- said:
I'm still supporting series that have been dormant far longer than Suikoden, and I'm not going to stop with this either.
You know what, if the original team isn't there I don't want Konami outsourcing the franchise to some garbage western developer like they did with Silent Hill. If that series is any indication of what modernization/westernization can do to a series I don't want ANYONE touching Suikoden. Just let the series rest in peace.
Suikoden II was the pinnacle of the series anyway. As much as I would like to see more RPGs structured like Suikoden we already have the best one.
Suikoden II was the pinnacle of the series anyway. As much as I would like to see more RPGs structured like Suikoden we already have the best one.
Dark Schala said:
I'm sure IV's quality hastened the decline. I remember our fanartist team at Suikosource started dropping off the face of the earth after Suikoden IV. I believe a number said they lost interest in the series at that point.
The sales of each title seem to reflect the perceived quality of the previous title- I and II had great reputations, so II and III sold phenomenally. III had a little worse reception so IV sold a little worse. IV had an awful reputation so V's sales tanked. At that point, there was no saving it. So should we blame Junko Kawano for this?
Post a link to glorious island fortress someone....
do it now...
Edit: Waited 10 seconds, you all took to long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7bHJxCoIJg
do it now...
Edit: Waited 10 seconds, you all took to long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7bHJxCoIJg
FINALFANTASYDOG said:
It was an assumption on my part when I was telling Nirolak about this. It's not mentioned anywhere in the interview, other than how they were talking to tri-Ace about something else, when this idea came up. I feel it's pretty obvious that Konami wanted another developer who could make a JRPG based on their planning concepts within a reasonable time, and tri-Ace wanted a publisher for a new IP by the VP2/RoF team, and that's how Konami's team-up with tri-Ace resulted in two games.
graywolf323
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well this is just depressing
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Why though? What's the point of continuing to root for something when you'll likely never be rewarded. Sounds beyond likely. I think it has been every year since the last one where I'd go "maybe e3" and then "maybe tgs" lol. Really sucks. IMO it was the one series that could stand up to final fantasy, and even best it (1,2,3 are better than most FF games). No sense in continuing to think they will put the world/lore they created to good use.Gunloc said:
Maybe next gen if a Japanese console that actually sells games (pretty much only ps4) becomes the leading system by a large margine, we may see the return of games like this to home consoles. I"ll restore 5% hope if that time comes. But if it doesn't then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and screw it. And screw konami (still heart you Kojima)
Incredibly emo post by me, Suikoden, serious business.
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Well, when a key member of the Suikoden team say they are still interested in making more Suikoden games, I wouldn't be giving up hope.-Pyromaniac- said:
I just don't think it's as bleak as some people are making it out to be.
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Star ocean fine. But don't shame nomura-sama and Versus XIII.Kazerei said:It's dead to me... same with Final Fantasy and Star Ocean
Dark Schala
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This. It's my favourite RPG series ever. Not giving up hope just yet. Especially since there are people who were on Suikoden teams still there and want to work on a new title, apparently.Gunloc said:
Yeouch. I wasn't expecting it to do that poorly. That's a little shocking, actually. If you take it as an independent title and stop thinking about it relative to other Suikoden titles, it's not really a bad game. The musical score is great.Akselziys said:
I can give you a whole post of Suikoden stuff. Right here.Cipherr said:
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't want any Suikoden games. I disliked tierkreis quite a bit. I want a full fledged mainline continuation of the world set in a place they haven't explored yet that actually fits the timeline. It seems too ambitious for the konami of today despite anyone who still wants to do it. I don't know why I say it SEEMS too ambitious. Article in the OP basically confirms it.Gunloc said:
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29804427&postcount=25duckroll said:
Well, no one wants a new Tierkreis.-Pyromaniac- said:
The continuity is the most important thing to me too, it's actually my favorite aspect of the series so far. As I said previously, Konami needs to take a page from Falcom's playbook and see how successful they've been with the Kiseki/Legend of Heroes series, another HIGHLY story driven RPG in a continuing world.
The market is out there, and they already have a dormant fan base just begging for a new entry. They just need to tap into it.
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Well, I didn't say it was a statement, but it is from members of the Suikoden team.duckroll said:
Konami as an entity doesn't say anything useful, ever.
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I bet they've already dispatched the "cleaning" crew over that gem.duckroll said:
Mind assimilation is nigh.
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Non nomura fans are the total weirdos. It's not natural.Kazerei said:
Dreamer RD
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Bad news. But Suikoden died after 3rd.
5 was tolerable though.
5 was tolerable though.
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I don't think there's a true dud in the entire series. (Tierkreis excluded of course.) IV is obviously not up to the same standards as the others, but it's not horrible, just extremely mediocre.Dreamer RD said:
V & II constantly battle for my #1 spot.