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This got me thinking. The whole success of the Viral video is like as if someone made a video of erradication of Polio in and something urgent needs to be done about it. Forgetting the fact that Polio is already on the verge of being erradicated from the point it was just 10-15 years ago. "Oh crap we need to do something about this, pay us $30 for our action kit so we can do something about this NOW". lol
 
Oh crap here we go again

http://rt.com/usa/news/kony-2012-children-video-397/

They will release another beautifully produced 10 minute video to address the critics

Interesting to see that Invisible Child basically admits its not a charity

Speaking to CNN over the weekend, Keesey was adamant in defending Invisible Children. "There's nothing to hide. Invisible Children has been transparent since 2004, when we started," Keesey tells CNN. "That's our intention, and we want to show that this campaign is part of a strategy that's comprehensive." Others have been skeptic, though, and have gone as far as to label the organization as the brains of an elaborate cash-grab scheme with questionable motives. In the aftermath of the Kony 2012 video going live, a student blog called “Visible Children” produced a photograph of the non-profit’s founders posing with heavy weaponry alongside a LRA opposition military, the Sudan People’s Liberation Army,
“The group is in favor of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces,” the blog’s author claims. “Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them.”
Jason Russell, an Invisible Children co-founder photographed alongside the SPLA equipped with firearms, adds to CNN, “I didn’t know there was that much tension.”

“We’re an unorthodox organization,” Russell explains. “We work outside of the traditional box of what you think about charity and nonprofit.”
Addressing concerns that the group only spends one-third of its donations on the advocacy it calls for, Russell defends it as part of their business model. “That’s who we are. We’re not World Vision. We are not these other organizations that do amazing work on the ground. If you want to fund a cow or you want to help someone in a village in that component, you can do that. That’s a third of what we do,” he says.
In 2011, Invisible Children spent around $8.7 million, with less than one-third going to direct services. Just under $3 million, on the other hand, went to staff compensation and travel expenses. The group is expected to address concerns over these figures in their soon-to-be-released video.
 
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man i just found out about this cause and all i see is backalsh, what is the deal o_O

While Kony is easily the worst criminal alive today, the movie is flawed for a variety of reasons.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/12/kony2012_the_danger_of_simplicity/
Well....this settles it

http://owinomarket.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/an-open-letter-to-invisible-children-their-followers-and-anyone-interested-in-why-kony-2012-is-completely-wrong/

This social activist systematically destroyed Invisible Children's argument and their followers. Point by point. If anyone supports IC after reading that?...needs their head checked

This is a much better summary of the criticism levied at IC.
 
i saw the video, it was amazing.

im planning on going out april 20th. anyone else here doing it?

edit: although reading up on the charity and through this thread is really disillusioning. goddamit. i certainly agree with the core fundemental principles of the film but invisible children certainly has to address the criticism. its more prevelant than i would have expected considering how much the video has blown up.

putting up posters woulda been fun : \
 
Oh crap here we go again

http://rt.com/usa/news/kony-2012-children-video-397/

They will release another beautifully produced 10 minute video to address the critics

Interesting to see that Invisible Child basically admits its not a charity

wouldnt a skeptic welcome a rebuttle?

ive been skimming various articles for the past 30 minutes and it seems like no one is taking a grey stance on the issue. Ive yet to find a non-hyperbolic level-headed article on the validity of ICS and the kony movement in general.
 
Hah, I gotta thank my friend for introducing me to this. Found out about this monster about two years ago, in an Amnesty club run by my friend.

Good to see others picking up on this.
 
after reading up on the IC a bit, i dont believe i have issues with where the donation money is going. A 90k salary doesnt sound extravagant to me, and a large chunk of the budget going into video production has been provably effective.

I do agee with the issue that the video makes Kony sound like much more of an issue than he really is. However, claiming the video is dangerous because it somehow implies that all of ugandas problems stem from kony is idiotic in my opinion. the most important thing i got from this video is that it makes honest, important, and i believe sincere point that social media can enact change it should be used not just in kony 2012, but from here on to make villians infamous and atrocities known.

Im actually feeling kinda 50/50 on the poster thing. if for no other reason, seeing a lot of kony posters on april 21st 2012 definitely sends at least one clear, incorruptible message:

people do hear the plight of others when informed and they do want to make a positive difference.

edit: and one more observation id like to make. there's the argument that this video will spread a damaging amount of misinformation. it seems to me that at the very worst, people will get the idea that kony is more of a threat that he really is. i think on the average case, people will be inspired to read up on the IC and kony and find out the truth for themselves after seeing the video as ive done. maybe not everyone, but the people that were thinking about donating, or getting the action kit etc. will be the ones to read up on the situation before proceeding. you did, i did, why wouldnt most other people?
 
after reading up on the IC a bit, i dont believe i have issues with where the donation money is going. A 90k salary doesnt sound extravagant to me, and a large chunk of the budget going into video production has been provably effective.

I do agee with the issue that the video makes Kony sound like much more of an issue than he really is. However, claiming the video is dangerous because it somehow implies that all of ugandas problems stem from kony is idiotic in my opinion. the most important thing i got from this video is that it makes honest, important, and i believe sincere point that social media can enact change it should be used not just in kony 2012, but from here on to make villians infamous and atrocities known.

Im actually feeling kinda 50/50 on the poster thing. if for no other reason, seeing a lot of kony posters on april 21st 2012 definitely sends at least one clear, incorruptible message:

people do hear the plight of others when informed and they do want to make a positive difference.

edit: and one more observation id like to make. there's the argument that this video will spread a damaging amount of misinformation. it seems to me that at the very worst, people will get the idea that kony is more of a threat that he really is. i think on the average case, people will be inspired to read up on the IC and kony and find out the truth for themselves after seeing the video as ive done. maybe not everyone, but the people that were thinking about donating, or getting the action kit etc. will be the ones to read up on the situation before proceeding. you did, i did, why wouldnt most other people?



The issue I have is that most of the money is kept in America and the IC owners support Uganda's genocidal dictator Museveni.
 
The issue I have is that most of the money is kept in America and the IC owners support Uganda's genocidal dictator Museveni.

ive been reading that too but i feel like i need to hear the IC rebuttal on this one before i draw a conclusion.

no one wakes up and thinks "im going to support a genocidal dictator for no reason".

there no profit or good press to come from a decision as plain as that. there has to be more to it.
 
i saw the video, it was amazing.

im planning on going out april 20th. anyone else here doing it?

I'm still doing it, I bought the action pack for the bracelet and t-shirt, the other stuff like posters are a bonus which all in all is pretty cheap for $30.

If some of that money goes to Uganda then that's awesome but I don't feel as "scammed" as some people in this thread.
 
I'm still doing it, I bought the action pack for the bracelet and t-shirt, the other stuff like posters are a bonus which all in all is pretty cheap for $30.

If some of that money goes to Uganda then that's awesome but I don't feel as "scammed" as some people in this thread.

no matter what opinion people have of the IC, i think most would agree that the posters themselves send a positive message.
 
The issue I have is that most of the money is kept in America and the IC owners support Uganda's genocidal dictator Museveni.

I think the guy who runs IC is just really naive. I really think he meet those people who were victimized by Kony and will do anything to stop him. I don´t think he supports Museveni but rather just cares more about Koney. He´s blinded by his emotions and his actions reflect that. I think it is good to be critical of the video but some of the caracterizations of "slacktivism" and saying he just wants to get rich and not help people I think go a bit far.

I don´t think its bad that he wants to get ride of koney (he´s one of the worst people on the planet and needs to be brought to justice) but I think his tactics are just wrong. He should be focusing, IMO, on the conflict in general and the victims on all sides. Everybody commiting crimes needs to be held to account.


While I understand much of the criticism from Ugandans (that he´s not in Uganda and the Army is bad too) as well as the guy who feels hurt when people put his face on a shirt, some of those comments at the screening were depressing. It was like we can´t help because "were white".
 
While I understand much of the criticism from Ugandans (that he´s not in Uganda and the Army is bad too) as well as the guy who feels hurt when people put his face on a shirt, some of those comments at the screening were depressing. It was like we can´t help because "were white".

I think he was saying that the focus of the video was on white people as opposed to those actually affected by what was going on. Though, I haven't watched the original video so I couldn't comment on whether that is right or not. Totally valid criticism if it is right.
 
no matter what opinion people have of the IC, i think most would agree that the posters themselves send a positive message.

Poster and IC sends a message of military intervention and enforcement thus over ruling the wishes of the people on the ground. how is THAT positive?
 
Poster and IC sends a message of military intervention and enforcement thus over ruling the wishes of the people on the ground. how is THAT positive?

the way i see it, the posters says nothing of military intervention, it simply says that tyrants should be known and people want to help. i believe that's how the vast majority of people would see it.

as for the military interventionist stuff, why would the IC support a genocidal army that the people hate for no reason? the arguments from both sides seem to be too one-sided from what ive heard. im always more interested in rational than actions
 
Charlie Brooker in 5 minutes lays absolute waste to them.

This isn't just the end of Kony 2012, being held up to scrutiny has meant the end of IC.
 
the way i see it, the posters says nothing of military intervention, it simply says that tyrants should be known and people want to help. i believe that's how the vast majority of people would see it.

as for the military interventionist stuff, why would the IC support a genocidal army that the people hate for no reason? the arguments from both sides seem to be too one-sided from what ive heard. im always more interested in rational than actions

IC aren't the most rational bunch it seems.
 
the way i see it, the posters says nothing of military intervention, it simply says that tyrants should be known and people want to help. i believe that's how the vast majority of people would see it.

as for the military interventionist stuff, why would the IC support a genocidal army that the people hate for no reason? the arguments from both sides seem to be too one-sided from what ive heard. im always more interested in rational than actions

The poster you get is from their action kit, their action kit funds IC's campaign of providing weapons to people on the ground, that is NOT their job ethically if you look at it. Their job is to care for the people, provide for the people and urge government reform to END the war, make life better for the region so that people like Kony don't rise up in the first place.

IC is supporting the Ugandan government from all its historical arguments, it even says that on their website
 
The poster you get is from their action kit, their action kit funds IC's campaign of providing weapons to people on the ground, that is NOT their job ethically if you look at it. Their job is to care for the people, provide for the people and urge government reform to END the war, make life better for the region so that people like Kony don't rise up in the first place.

IC is supporting the Ugandan government from all its historical arguments, it even says that on their website

im not saying theyre not supporting the ugandan government, but im saying that no one has said why they are.

im sure theyll address why they are supporting them in their rebuttal video. im going to wait until i hear that out before i relegate them to evil organization status
 
im not saying theyre not supporting the ugandan government, but im saying that no one has said why they are.

im sure theyll address why they are supporting them in their rebuttal video. im going to wait until i hear that out before i relegate them to evil organization status

Just do you own research, there's masses out there, from before this whole thing even started. And if their house was in order you wouldn't be awaiting rebuttal videos from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpuB11d0Gog

This is not a charity, it's a naive, misguided, self-promoting mission by people with delusions of grandeur.

The last thing you want to introduce to a very complicated situation, and choosing a side when that side is wholly corrupt and guilty of the same crimes.
 
Just do you own research, there's masses out there, from before this whole thing even started. And if their house was in order you wouldn't be awaiting rebuttal videos from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpuB11d0Gog

This is not a charity, it's a naive, misguided, self-promoting mission by people with delusions of grandeur.

The last thing you want to introduce to a very complicated situation, and choosing a side when that side is wholly corrupt and guilty of the same crimes.

i watched it before, it doesnt really address what im talking about.
 
i watched it before, it doesnt really address what im talking about.

It does.

They believe they know better than anyone else, they are not doing charity work, they are promoting intervention. Military intervention. To do things their way. Whether the people in Uganda want it or not. It's a mission, not aid work. And missions needs propaganda.

And that's why they are so close to the corrupt regime in Uganda, why they spent so much time with a President with blood on his hands, why there are photos of them all happy and smiley with him. They can't do their mission without the Government on their side.They are naive and stupid, because the Government wants more US military aid. The Ugandan Government is using them, and must be loving all this.

All their crimes, corruption, all whitewashed, while the whole situation is warped and dumbed down into a hunt for one evil man. It's not awareness, it's misguided and misinformed propaganda, and each poster that is put up will perpetuate it.

If you want to help give your money to real charities on the ground there, listen to real Ugandans. Not some people from another country turning a complicated and difficult situation into a fashion statement.
 
While I understand much of the criticism from Ugandans (that he´s not in Uganda and the Army is bad too) as well as the guy who feels hurt when people put his face on a shirt, some of those comments at the screening were depressing. It was like we can´t help because "were white".

that's not what he said at all. He said "we wanted to see (all) our local people killed" but what he saw on screen was a bunch of white people overshadowing the victims they supposedly want to help and putting forward a misleading picture of northern uganda.
a fair critique.
 
Reality hasn't just surpassed satire; reality has completely obliterated satire.

A co-founder for Invisible Children was detained in Pacific Beach Thursday for being drunk in public and masturbating, according to San Diego Police Department.

Jason Russell, 33, was allegedly found masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something, according to Lt. Andra Brown. He was detained at the intersection of Ingraham Street and Riviera Road.

Brown said Russell was acting very strange.

Police said they received several calls yesterday at 11:30 a.m. of a man in various stages of undress, running through traffic and screaming. Police described him as "in his underwear."

Several people attempted to calm him down and when officers arrived they said he was cooperative.

"He was no problem for the police department however, during the evaluation we learned that we probably needed to take care of him," said Brown at a press conference. "So officers detained him and transferred him to a local medical facility for further evaluation and treatment."

Invisible Children's CEO Ben Keesey released a statement after 1:40 p.m. on Friday saying:

“Jason Russell was unfortunately hospitalized yesterday suffering from exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition. He is now receiving medical care and is focused on getting better. The past two weeks have taken a severe emotional toll on all of us, Jason especially, and that toll manifested itself in an unfortunate incident yesterday. Jason’s passion and his work have done so much to help so many, and we are devastated to see him dealing with this personal health issue. We will always love and support Jason, and we ask that you give his entire family privacy during this difficult time.”

Look what us IC critics have done to this poor man. *sob*
 
gotta admit, I did NOT see that one coming. Clicked on the headline "KONY 2012 group co-founder detained", got "detained after a witness reported a man masturbating and acting strangely" instead.
 
Look what us IC critics have done to this poor man. *sob*
Did you see the quote about him apparently being exhausted, dehydrated and malnourished? I know when I'm tired, thirsty or hungry, the first thing I do is hit the streets and start wanking over absolutely everything. I mean, what else can you do?
 
Got called a dumbass at school by some chick because she insisted that the Kony 2012 thing had nothing to do with Uganda and that I was an idiot for saying so.

People aren't educating themselves very well...
 
Got called a dumbass at school by some chick because she insisted that the Kony 2012 thing had nothing to do with Uganda and that I was an idiot for saying so.

People aren't educating themselves very well...
Well, as long as Kony is not actually in Uganda and most of the funding doesn't go towards what Invisible Children are claiming is their cause, she's right... From the sounds of it most of the funding now will go towards clearing someone from charges of public indecency.
 
Well, as long as Kony is not actually in Uganda and most of the funding doesn't go towards what Invisible Children are claiming is their cause, she's right... From the sounds of it most of the funding now will go towards clearing someone from charges of public indecency.

Yeah, I get that. When we were talking it, it was about what Kony did and when I said it was in Uganda she said that the whole thing had nothing to do with Uganda at all. I dunno.

And oh snap, burn. :P
 
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