HollovVpo1nt
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I highly doubt that.
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Kotaku posts new rumors about Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 (Power, Release Timing)
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I highly doubt that.
And the current sub plan is doing extremely well for the test demographic who actually can get into it (It's pretty difficult when compared to just...you know...going down the street to ANY STORE and picking one up).
Iacobellis
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How do you know it will be better? My Vita can do nearly everything a 360 can in terms of LIVE features for free. Then I have the choice of spending $50 a year for discounts, beta invites, and completely free games. I don't have to pay to play online, Party chat, download demos the first week, use Netflix, etc.. The Internet bill should and does cover that.
No, we should get some pertinent information leaked or disclosed before E3. Most likely GDC 2013.
gaming_noob
Member
Yea man, we know you're not getting the Next Box. What else is new.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I'm not? Damn, i didn't know that.
klapauzius
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Because both consoles are far away from launch?
Because no gamzes.
No seriously though, you're totally right. The problem that sony has is that even though PSN and PS+ are interesting NOW, it took them 6 years and 3 worldwide privacy scandals to get there. Int he public and business eye, Sony's game devision is second rate. Sony is doing some real good work making PS+ worth it, but Microsoft has already laid down the foundation for something that people will do regardless due to the strength of the xbox name and that something is going to severely undercut Sony in year one due to the fact that Sony is actively using those PS+ dollars to make PS+ a massive deal and a great OPTIONAL service (bold underline capslock on optional).
In doing the right thing, Sony may have taken a big step backwards as far as Orbis is concerned. It's way to early to say that with a straight face but...let's put it this way. Sony can't afford another "Giant enemy crab" moment between now and spring 2014.
Well...far is relative.
BruceLeeRoy
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Plus matchmaking and the online features have always been superior and easier to use on the 360 so I could kind of justify it that way to myself. However, I imagine Sony is finally going to get its online up to snuff with the next system and if thats the case I will really have a hard time paying for Live.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I agree with you. I got a PS3 in 2006, then put it back in the box after a few months because there was abosolutely noting compelling to play. That is almost six years ago, though.
What other privacy breaches were there? All
I can recall that occurred in the PlayStation division was the one in Spring 2011.
R
Rösti
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Sony has a huge presence at CES 2013. While CES isn't a big gaming show Sony always has at least one gaming component. They focused on PS Vita this year. And the PlayStation Blog always has has a live stream of the press conference.
Of course, you have to account for a potential PlayStation Meeting. The 2011 version was held on the 27th of January. Though in 2005, when some of the plans for PlayStation 3 were unfolded, it was held on the 21st of July. So it can't be used as any greater measurement for when information about Orbis may debut.
GDC is certainly a safe bet but I think both Microsoft and Sony in one way or another want to start hyping a bit sooner.
There was another privacy breach about 3 months after the first massive one was "finished", which wasn't as potent as the first breach, and then another this past february which was a bit less serious. It was a massive pain changing my PSN password again and again and again (First world problems).
I think it's safe to say that, because of PS+, I play my PS3 more than my 360 now in the long run. It's nice having a lot of stuff to play at the top of the month that you don't have to think about. I finished up Quantum Conundrum last night and now everything I read sounds like Q. But that being said, a few free games here doesn't come close to the infrastructure that xbox live has. There's a ton of stuff on LIVE that I will never use ever, but as a closed paygated system, it's impressive in it's flexability, and it's only going to get more impressive once Smartglass actually starts infiltrating mass media (and it will). It'll actually be really interesting to see how Smartglass compares to TiiVii since there's literally nothing stopping smartglass from doing what TiiVii does. The second screen stuff for WiiU netflix is pretty interesting.
Maybe leaked but I think Sony and MS keep their mouths shut till E3. It makes no sense to blow your load so far from launch at a event that is not covered by the main stream press. With E3 being on prime time Cable TV and being covered by all press it makes much more sense to make your splash then IMO.
This.
Also if they both assume that there'll be a delay in launching from their original schedule, they'll release information that much later. E3 is the only assured place for the all out next gen blow out.
Not buying a console on a subscription, they can fuck off. And how would that even work? Mobile phone shops set up by operators act as retail for phone companies because the operator makes money on tariffs. But MS charging you monthly and subsidising the box? Why would a retail store stock that? I realise they don't make huge money on the console anyway but they're not going to want to process subs in store for MS, and then MS sell everything digitally anyway
As for live, well 'all my friends are on it' is a cumulative effect over time. Next gen they hit the reset button and people have an opportunity to switch
As for live, well 'all my friends are on it' is a cumulative effect over time. Next gen they hit the reset button and people have an opportunity to switch
Krauser Kat
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2nd most powerful pc. What the fuck does that even mean. Idiots.
THE:MILKMAN
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I agree E3 will be blowout time for both. I'm just saying compared to the PS3/360, we have no press release/official announcment that AMD are even working with them.
Even though Nintendo have worked with IBM/ATI/AMD since the Gamecube, we still got press releases from both ~18 months before the release of WiiU.
I just hope the reason isn't because both are 2014.
I think many of the people here claiming gaming doesn't matter to MS will be surprised. I think gaming matters just as much as it ever has, but they now realize that there is more competition for the living room than ever before. If you're going to have these powerful machines connected to your TV, there's no reason they can't do more than just gaming. I think Sony realizes the same thing, they just aren't nearly as vocal about it.
There are so many misconceptions on this board that it's kind of crazy. The addition of apps on the 360 is a perfect example of this. Some assume that the inclusion of apps is at the expense of game investment. However that's not the case. It's possible for these companies to branch off in new directions, and almost necessary, without it effecting their core market.
Last I checked, they were behind and I hardly pay attention to console sales.
Yeah, I had this conversation just last night with some friends over Live. A few of them have PS3s as well and while we all love the PS3 and think it's a great system, there's no denying that Live is a more coherent and smoother service. Everything from messaging, chatting, inviting, etc. is easier over Live and makes it easier to accept the cost.
Of course we all also agreed that MS faces some issues next gen if Sony steps up their game with PSN. MS would have to offer something pretty damn special with Live for them to keep the subscription fee if Sony can match Live today.
There are so many misconceptions on this board that it's kind of crazy. The addition of apps on the 360 is a perfect example of this. Some assume that the inclusion of apps is at the expense of game investment. However that's not the case. It's possible for these companies to branch off in new directions, and almost necessary, without it effecting their core market.
Last I checked, they were behind and I hardly pay attention to console sales.
Yeah, I had this conversation just last night with some friends over Live. A few of them have PS3s as well and while we all love the PS3 and think it's a great system, there's no denying that Live is a more coherent and smoother service. Everything from messaging, chatting, inviting, etc. is easier over Live and makes it easier to accept the cost.
Of course we all also agreed that MS faces some issues next gen if Sony steps up their game with PSN. MS would have to offer something pretty damn special with Live for them to keep the subscription fee if Sony can match Live today.
Microsoft's gonna have a fun e3.
Smutpeddler
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I believe that if MS goes the subsidized and monthly payment route, that they need to find a way to include the monthly payments of Netflix, Hulu, and such included in said payment. If we get a box that includes all of the entertainment in one fee, it would make a much better value proposition and really make me question whether I would need cable or not.
Providing all the services under one monthly fee and having an always on system would go a long way towards getting to their living room strategy completed.
On topic, I think both boxes will have similar power, and both will be revealed in a stand alone event. However, E3 will fill in all the details including pricing and such.
Providing all the services under one monthly fee and having an always on system would go a long way towards getting to their living room strategy completed.
On topic, I think both boxes will have similar power, and both will be revealed in a stand alone event. However, E3 will fill in all the details including pricing and such.
I'll tell you this much. That's not what Microsoft wants and that's definitely not what Microsoft partners want. Microsoft wants you to have cable in your house just as much as comcast or time warner do.
We, or at least I, am only reacting to what I have seen the last few years where they have focused on apps and kinect while throwing another Halo or Gears or Forza out each year while relying on 3rd parties to fill the huge hole. I have no evidence to suggest that they still care about gaming or will start caring again next gen. If they do then they'll have my attention again.
I mean next year they have 1 exclusive for christs sake and it's yet another gears of war. For their sake I really hope they're launching the new console at the end of next year.
Smutpeddler
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In that case then I see the pass through option and DVR capabilities being there. But my point is if there is a fee it should include everything, not just access to those apps.
alexandros
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That's my interpretation as well. You don't need a 7970 for 1080/720p gaming.
So what about that job listing not too long ago which contained within it that MS is going to invest $300 million into 'core games' over the next few years?
AstroNut325
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This is largely why I'm more interested in Orbis/PS4. Sony's first party offerings is what I find best about this generation. If Sony delivers powerhouse hardware with similar grade first party titles... that's where I will go. As of now I'm not into Forza or Gears. I love Halo but that isn't enough for me to consider Durango over Orbis. If MS can create better first party content... then yes I will gladly get on the Durango bandwagon (assuming they don't force subscriptions... then I'm out altogether). But as of now... it doesn't look like MS is focusing on creating hardcore market games outside of the three franchises (Halo, Forza, Gears).
Doesn't mean anything unless something comes out of it. It's all rumor and speculation until then.
Also what is their definition of core game now? More shooters? Kinect games? I seriously don't know with them anymore.
Canis lupus
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Alienware lol. No but seriously, I'm interpreting it as the 2nd best gpu.
It's not a rumor, it was in an actual job listing on Microsoft's career website.
Microsoft are pretty much set of announce before E3.
New hardware means new IPs. Microsoft are working on the next big thing for Xbox. Believe.
And 2k was hiring multiplayer designers for Bioshock Infinite, how'd that work out?
It's going to take a lot more than a job posting to get me on board with a ~$500 system. I need meat. Trailers, previews....something I can use.
Well it's kind of hard since the damn thing hasn't been announced yet.
Punchpudding
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Do you think that a company's strategy at the end of a console cycle is representative of their strategy at the start of a new cycle?
.la1n
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The PC comments obviously mean nothing as they always have seeing as how consoles are always specialized parts / developers are creating games for a more closed system opposed to a PC. Moving past that, the PS4 does not need any of the pains that inflicted it upon launch with the 360, it needs to be at parity with 360. If they miss a holiday launch with Microsoft it could be disastrous given their current situation isn't exactly bright.
Sony has great first party exclusives, part of the reason I am a PS3 only gamer at the moment with the other system having being sold some time ago. The other reason is I just don't have time to dedicate to multiple system as I did when I was younger. I do hope things go well for them and all other companies, losing any number of them is a blow to the consumer.
Sony has great first party exclusives, part of the reason I am a PS3 only gamer at the moment with the other system having being sold some time ago. The other reason is I just don't have time to dedicate to multiple system as I did when I was younger. I do hope things go well for them and all other companies, losing any number of them is a blow to the consumer.
It's always funny watching people try to estimate the power of something.
I take it to being roughly 8x the power of the 360 like the leaked roadmap described and several debs have said.
Soooo looking at current mid to high end systems... Like 2.4tflop? Hmmm that would be nice lol.
That's my point though. They've got a lot to prove coming into next generation besides just making a strong system so 3rd parties can make their games. My PC isn't going anywhere in that regard and no doubt PS4/orbis will bring the exclusives.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Microsoft has so many profits to spend on the xbox next it's not even funny what sony is up against.
The marketing of their launch will be huge, if the PS4 releases on the same week they can piggyback off some of the next gen hype. but if they don't, I see microsoft steamrolling them into utter and complete defeat.
Sony has like no room for error.
The marketing of their launch will be huge, if the PS4 releases on the same week they can piggyback off some of the next gen hype. but if they don't, I see microsoft steamrolling them into utter and complete defeat.
Sony has like no room for error.
They don't have to prove anything to me though. The 360 quickly became my console of choice, and I have a lot more faith in Microsoft then Sony at this moment in time.
This is why I think it won't be such a bad idea for Sony to launch the PS4 a couple of months later because I feel the launch of Durango is going to be crazy in terms of the amount of marketing; I doubt Sony would be able to compete against it.
"core" never had any real definition, it started as a lame buzzword that forum people latched onto.
This. People focus on what MS did at the end of the console cycle as opposed as to what they were doing from the beginning to mid. A lot of new IP's started on the 360, why wouldn't this be the case next gen?
systemfehler
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Windows (Phone) 8, Surface, Google, ... could make quite some trouble for MS aswell. Not everything has been smooth sailing. They have big pockets to outspend Sony - but they certainly can't spend as much as they please anymore.
I don't see microsoft keep in trouble sony outside its territories. microsoft is very US/UK centric in the marketing & online too from point of view. Very important will be the price, I don't think specs will count so much at the end (well, of course power should be comparable or not much distant, but relatively).
I'm not saying some of the views aren't warranted or without reason. I just think some things are mistaken, such as your comment on them focusing on apps. With the introduction of the metro dashboard, they created APIs for companies to create apps, this isn't something MS themselves are dedicated resources and manpower to. The Netflix app was created by Netflix, same with the other apps that are showing up.
While I completely understand where you're coming from, this late life-cycle behavior isn't unprecedented. In many ways MS is still playing by Sony's old playbook with the PS2. The cheaper the system has become, the more they have expanded and opened up the marketing and direction for their system. Did people here think Sony was moving away from games when GoW2 was one of their few major core releases last gen?
I agree that we'll need to see more proof before forming a more accurate opinion. In many ways I feel the same which is why I'm hesitant to jump on either platform at launch, but let's just say there are signs that things should improve at the launch of the new platform.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Nah, microsoft will own europe this upcoming generation. I strongly believe a lot of europe has been disapointed with PS3 games and online. This will be xbox's 3rd console in europe and I think their brand will be of similar popularity as playstation was during the PS2 era.
The EADD isn't the entirety of the corporation you know? They don't have unlimited freedom. Also Microsoft is notorious for infighting between the different areas of the company.
They got GTA V pretty much spot on over a year ago.
Something Ballmer is now trying to stamp out, Sinofsky being an obvious example.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Honestly anything can happen, and that's what makes it even more exciting.
BruceLeeRoy
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This is anecdotal but I have family in Europe and they are very much all Playstation. In fact the reason I am stuck getting COD on ps3 every year is because of them and their reasoning is all their friends are on ps3