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Kotaku posts new rumors about Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 (Power, Release Timing)
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Good to hear that the power will be very close. I want there to be by little difference in terms of power. It'll make things a lot easier for devs.
I'm willing to bet that the lack of confidence in Sony is due to the fact that their specs, mainly RAM, still seem to be in flux while MS has probably had them nailed down for a while now. I also don't think as many devs have PS4 kits as Durango kits.
I'm willing to bet that the lack of confidence in Sony is due to the fact that their specs, mainly RAM, still seem to be in flux while MS has probably had them nailed down for a while now. I also don't think as many devs have PS4 kits as Durango kits.
Sony is launching first! I can make baseless assumptions too!But seriously, I expect both systems to launch around the same time and I don't see anything to suggest otherwise.
hmm, I don't know about Sony launching in the same frame time.. This is the second hint that I read that Sony is going to be last again.
Teletraan1
Banned
How is it that Sony, a hardware company is getting beat to the punch by Microsoft a software company getting hardware to market. I guess it is all money but this shows you how incompetent Sony is.
100-1 that MS's system is straightforward and Sony's has some over-engineered technological brainchild of Kutaragi and Jeff Rigby that is holding this up. This over-engineered component will end up providing no benefit vs what they lose by delaying launch.
100-1 that MS's system is straightforward and Sony's has some over-engineered technological brainchild of Kutaragi and Jeff Rigby that is holding this up. This over-engineered component will end up providing no benefit vs what they lose by delaying launch.
I don't think that can be done for that price. Not even in a year tbh.
:lolno
Wouldn't a 670 and 80gb SSD alone run you almost $450?
Tears For Fears
Banned
Companies don't pay retail, still pipe dream.
flyinpiranha
Member
I own the second most powerful PC. It's really powerful. More so than some, not so much this other PC though.
Around 400 bucks if you use off-shelf parts. But the price would be lower in a console.
One good thing is Kutaragi isn't designing PS any more.
But yea, I am still wondering what component difference could give rise to this ingrained notion of "delay"...
Aquamarine
Member
Perhaps it could be done with a subsidized plan...like the console could be $350 AND a mandatory 2 year subscription to Xbox Live.
I don't think anything hardware related is holding anything up. But if you start later, if you hone in on something later, chances are you'll be ready later. I think simply that's what's happened. MS is, by the sounds of it, probably a few months more advanced on solidifying their plans - in particular for the US market. And I would guess Kotaku's sources are predominantly US-based.
I think SCEA is probably being floaty about release plans with pubs because they literally don't know exactly when they'll release themselves and it's not entirely in their hands. MS knows with a good deal of certainty that they'll launch in the US next holiday. To a similar extent Sony can probably be confident of a release next year - in Japan. But the US is probably still a question mark for them wrt next year. Hence a certain degree of uncertainty and wishy-washyness, for now, on the part of SCEA when it comes to telling pubs what exactly the release window is for the US market. Just my guess though.
It's good to hear they'll be similarly powerful though.
zomgbbqftw
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Well the 670 GPU would not be $400 for Sony/MS, remember they would buy the GPU directly from Nvidia for much less (about a third of that cost). The SSD, well you can get a 64GB one for £34 retail right now. Since Sony and MS seem to be set on AMD they could probably get a very good deal on the CPU/APU/GPU given AMD's current woes.
MakeMeFeelAlive
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I don't really get a lot of the reactions. Who cares if one launches after the other. It's not the end of the world. Will ms be doomed because Sony launches first? And why the fret over third party support? Companies have already made it pretty clear they're working on both. They will not abandon the ps4 for the huge base it'll have in Europe and Japan alone. Also, I would not be surprised if Sony actually pulls exclusive deals. They became real tight with companies such as ea and ubisoft towards the end of this gen. They're trump card may be gaikai. They may change how games are played on consoles
Tallshortman
Member
This is based on unconfirmed rumors, and also it could be more based on software tools than hardware configuration as MS has usually been ahead in terms of development support due to their strong software pedigree. Predicting hilariously underpowered specs is not doing yourself any favors. Chill out and let things develop before going into a frenzy.
" Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today"
Went and built the smallest form factor 2nd most powerful AMD PC I could on Newegg..
(obviously done quickly)
$4,319
Small Case
3D capable Blu-Ray Player
64GB RAM
250GB Laptop Drive
1200Watt Power Supply
2 x Radeon 7990 6GB
1 x Radeon 7970 6GB
8 Core Processor
Triple Crossfire board
Durango/Kryptos is going to be insane!@#!@!#!!
LOL
Went and built the smallest form factor 2nd most powerful AMD PC I could on Newegg..
(obviously done quickly)$4,319
Small Case
3D capable Blu-Ray Player
64GB RAM
250GB Laptop Drive
1200Watt Power Supply
2 x Radeon 7990 6GB
1 x Radeon 7970 6GB
8 Core Processor
Triple Crossfire board
Durango/Kryptos is going to be insane!@#!@!#!!
LOL
schwabdizzle
Banned
I will wait til the PS4 personally.
DevilWillcry
Member
But those hints aren't very reliable. Anyone can pull some BS out of thin air and pass it off as a "rumor" especially on a topic like next-generation systems.
NoLootBoxDev
Member
For those who are more into be ps4 or 720 threads, or the ones that may have insider information, Does the ps4 is a lot less powerful or it will be similar to the Xbox 720?
ColonelColon
Member
I wonder if that assessment of the Durango's power accounts for the advantage of coding for a single platform rather than virtually limitless hardware configurations on PC. Do they mean the console optimized performance equivalent to the "second most powerful PC"?
You say that, but wouldn't the third parties be privy to the "ideal" or "target" hardware specs regardless of development software iterations that will follow? The way the article is written, it's seems deliberate attempts at ambiguity has been made. It says that the power difference between the two would be akin to this gen (and this gen, the allegedly superior hardware lost out in graphical performance due to being less developer friendly than its competitor among third parties) and then goes on to mention "loss of confidence" for Sony.... well which one is it?
Can I see a source for this?
So, do you really expect Sony to struggle with 3rd party support?
Aquamarine
Member
Let's just hope they don't do something astronomically stupid like preventing you from playing used games on the system...
Beerman462
Member
I'm just glad new consoles are on the way to push the boundaries on new games. I just hope publishers keep supporting the PC like they have been.
dragonelite
Member
Probably means a cpu + gpu(not sli or top end card with 2 chips).
Think for gpu 7970 and i7 or I5 for cpu. Cpu will probably not get the biggest chunk of silicon
" Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today"
Went and built the smallest form factor 2nd most powerful AMD PC I could on Newegg..
$4,319
Small Case
3D capable Blu-Ray Player
64GB RAM
250GB Laptop Drive
1200Watt Power Supply
2 x Radeon 7990 6GB
1 x Radeon 7970 6GB
8 Core Processor
Triple Crossfire board
Durango/Kryptos is going to be insane!@#!@!#!!
LOL
Yeah, obviously that quote could mean anything. Although I assume whoever made it was talking about something you could buy at Best Buy.
Oh I think there'll be plenty of shit along those lines and I fully expect XBL Gold to truck on same as it has this gen.
I still think it's gonna be a knockout though.
The confidence remark is not, Kotaku points out, necessarily related to hardware at all.
If Kotaku is talking mostly to US or western pubs, it is not difficult to imagine a scenario where Microsoft's plans have been firm while Sony's have been more in the air - even up to today. Microsoft's first market is the US, Sony's is Japan. Sony's plans for US/Euro releases may seem vague while Microsoft's US plans are probably quite solid at this point. I would guess that this is the case, and it would fit in with aegis's comment elsewhere about some devs not being fully clued in about what's going on with PS4 vs 720.
R
Rösti
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CES, PlayStation Meeting 2013 and Game Developers Conference cannot come soon enough. As much as I appreciate Stephen's efforts to provide as many qualitative tidbits about the next generation as possible, it's really nothing substantial (in comparison with the leaked 92821757-XBox-720-9-24-Checkpoint-Draft-1 anyway). And stating that Durango will be roughly comparable in graphical capabilities with the "second-most powerful PC on the market today" is nonsensical without providing name of that PC and its configuration.
Ah well, we're not that far away from the revelation of the next generation, but still something actual from either Microsoft and Sony would be a nice touch in this barren field of market saturation.
Ah well, we're not that far away from the revelation of the next generation, but still something actual from either Microsoft and Sony would be a nice touch in this barren field of market saturation.
Tallshortman
Member
Assuming they have very similar power as most rumors suggest, there's only 2 scenarios I could see where devs could be less happy compared to the competition (assuming they're actually not as confident).
1. Software tools as I mentioned.
2. Exotic hardware.
I just don't see Sony using exotic hardware at all this time around. Using more off the shelf significantly reduces R&D and manufacturing costs. This is assuming the kotaku article is all actual fact and not unfounded rumors.
For publishers, they could be less confident for a variety of other factors. As much as the vita is not doing well, it's not because Sony didn't design a fantastic piece of hardware. I don't expect the PS4 hardware to be underpowered or undercooked as you are afraid it's going to be.
" Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today"
Went and built the smallest form factor 2nd most powerful AMD PC I could on Newegg..
$4,319
Small Case
3D capable Blu-Ray Player
64GB RAM
250GB Laptop Drive
1200Watt Power Supply
2 x Radeon 7990 6GB
1 x Radeon 7970 6GB
8 Core Processor
Triple Crossfire board
Durango/Kryptos is going to be insane!@#!@!#!!
$100 with a 40 year Live contract.
I take it to mean 3570k/670 rig compared to the top end 3770k/680
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
" Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today"
Went and built the smallest form factor 2nd most powerful AMD PC I could on Newegg..
$4,319
Small Case
3D capable Blu-Ray Player
64GB RAM
250GB Laptop Drive
1200Watt Power Supply
2 x Radeon 7990 6GB
1 x Radeon 7970 6GB
8 Core Processor
Triple Crossfire board
Durango/Kryptos is going to be insane!@#!@!#!!
LOL
just tell me how many jobs i need
-Pyromaniac-
Member
You have just as much proof as anyone else in the industry on that subject so it's not that crazy of a prediction.
SolarPowered
Member
Have you ever held a 670GTX in your hands? I did five days ago before I stuck it in my PC. I wouldn't have made one if I thought it were possible to stick it inside a $400 console. The thing is a monster.
Same here. Though for my first console I went with PS3. Paid around CAD$1000 in March 2007. Worth every penny (thanks for PS3 media server). Then much later in 09, I got a 360 just so that I wouldn't have to put up with inferior ports and wanted to try certain exclusives (Mass Effect at the time).
But now, the vibe around Sony isn't all that positive. Vita is such a great hardware but recent reports suggest, once again, not a lot of confidence in the hardware for third parties to make games for it (sales sales sales).
People tend to remember the bad more than the good and Sony did a lot to lose the good will from the PS2 days but eventually have been earn it back to almost the same extent. I wish the leaks would be more inspiring like we're getting with MS. And MS isn't even focussing squarely focussing on games any more. Their target is to be the next media box that "also" plays games with Windows 8 integration. And here I'm excited more about XB3 than PS4.
Angry Fork
Member
If Sony doesn't get their console out by next year there will be blood. I refuse to believe Sony wants to replicate PS3 and Vita launches.
This is the part more sad. I prefer ps3 hardware to 360 because it's really particular, I don't like the idea to have a next playstation without an innovative cpu. I suspect this time microsoft will have the lead of the 'exotic' cpu.
Tell us if you know anything or don't tease at all.
On topic: I will again go with 720 late 2013 and PS4 Q1 2014.
