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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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wouldnt affect sales that much in the short term. The average player will not even know till they see a PS4.5 announced and think "wtf is going on with my PS4".
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I don't think calling them "Motherfuckers" or demanding a company give you "basically" free shit because "reasons" is a good look for anyone.
The 32X sucked because it had a separate (tiny) games lineup. This isn't that.
I don't doubt the the information provided to him was legit. It's just a matter of what Sony's actual intent was when the passed this info to developers. I mean the PS3 could output at 1080p, it just only happened for a handful of games.
WordsintheWater
Member
If it's just a resolution upgrade to 4K then I won't mind at all. I don't have a 4K TV regardless, but if it's an upgrade that makes games run better then I will mind.
Peter Ian Staker
Member
I think it was the right thing to wait and focus on my PC.
Now i will be able to buy a PS4K with a decent available backlog.
Now i will be able to buy a PS4K with a decent available backlog.
Doesn't sound like there are any details. The article is super vague.
David Ricardo
Member
Supposing Xbox One+ releases in 2017, why don't Sony wait for 2018 and release a more powerful PS5 to have the upperhand for another generation?
Let Microsoft deal with the problems of launching mid gen. Xbox One+ wouldn't have real next gen games made for it because that would piss OG XBO users off, and there wouldn't be enough XBO+s out there to justify games taking advantage of it's power.
Then, before XBO+ reaches a big enough userbase, Sony could release a more powerful PS5 which is backwards compatible with the PS4 just in time for the first next gen games.
It makes sense to me.
I would like an upgrade, but I guess some people here would like a 8 year cycle again. Upgrading every 4 years is not bad at all compared to other industries with full backward capabilities.
Why would you even risk that when you can basically deny it? I've already seen people saying they will delay their purchase of PS4 cuz of this. ofc that is if you have nothing under development with this idea.
Hidden One
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Netherscourge
Banned
Why can't Sony put BOTH 1080p AND 4K asset on the same BD disc?
You buy the disc and it runs at whatever resolution of PS4 you have?
This way, developers can make it run on BOTH PS4 units - you can keep playing it on the original PS4 and when you feel like upgrading, you can play it at 4K on the new PS4.5. All on the same disc. No need to repurchase.
It wouldn't even be considered "Backward Compatibility" - it would simply be a matter of HARDWARE SCALING.
And the PS4.5 could UPSCALE current 1080p PS4 games to 2K or 4K, if you wanted, so SOny could continue to sell older PS4 games for the PS4.5.
PeskyToaster
Member
Why not. Every other device has multiple versions with premium and budget options.
why would sony be worried? nobody flocked to xbox just because it was more powerful.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I bet it's mostly there to improve framerate for VR and play 4K movies.
Nah that was for PS3 emulation in 1080p on PS4k
Cereal Enthusiast
Banned
Even if MS launches a new Xbox more powerful than PS4, I don't see PS4 sales slowing down. It's too late, Sony has the momentum, everyone is on PS4, all your friends are on PS4, you're not gonna switch for just extra power.
cr_blah_blah
Member
A bunch of idiots throwing a temper tantrum on a forum don't mean shit.
chrominance
Member
How much PC horsepower do you need to run 4K games well at, say, 30fps? I was under the impression it was kind of a lot. Like GTX 970 levels of horsepower. That seems like a pretty significant jump, and it also sounds very costly. When would this PS4.5 release? If it's not for another two years maybe this makes sense, but any sooner and it seems unbelievable.
EDIT: wait, I forgot that 4K = 2160p, not 1440p. That makes this seem even less likely, no? The GPU in this thing will have to be pretty intense, as will the VRAM. How do you get all that into a $400 package when GTX980s sell for well beyond that price point?
EDIT: wait, I forgot that 4K = 2160p, not 1440p. That makes this seem even less likely, no? The GPU in this thing will have to be pretty intense, as will the VRAM. How do you get all that into a $400 package when GTX980s sell for well beyond that price point?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Yes and it better be delivered to my doorstep by Shu himself.
xaeroxcore
Banned
If this is true....goodbye Sony!
StereoVsn
Member
Why are people freaking out? It would work the same way as PCs except having to optimize to 2 SKUs vs 1,000,000. Or the same idea as iOS devices.
As long as APIs and OS stays then this should work great for everyone. People who want 60fps on 1080p or say 4K with 30fps get their wish. People with current PS4s will get games with roughly same performance as they do now. In 3-4 years you will see games requiring new 4.5 only show up.
Do you think that Ubisoft, EA or Activision will drop 65-70mil PS4 install base (by say end of 2017) just because PS4.5 gets released in Nov of 2017?
No, they get to sell games to everyone just as they do now plus the buyers of the upgraded model get higher res, more graphics effects or higher FPS. It's not the end of the world.
If Xbone is going in the direction of upgrades then Sony has to do the same pretty much. Again, it doesn't make your current PS4 bad, obsolete or useless. I bought GTX980 card last year. By end of this year there will be a new GTX1080 card that's over 2x as fast. Doesn't mean that I can't run games on my video card on the current PC then.
As long as APIs and OS stays then this should work great for everyone. People who want 60fps on 1080p or say 4K with 30fps get their wish. People with current PS4s will get games with roughly same performance as they do now. In 3-4 years you will see games requiring new 4.5 only show up.
Do you think that Ubisoft, EA or Activision will drop 65-70mil PS4 install base (by say end of 2017) just because PS4.5 gets released in Nov of 2017?
No, they get to sell games to everyone just as they do now plus the buyers of the upgraded model get higher res, more graphics effects or higher FPS. It's not the end of the world.
If Xbone is going in the direction of upgrades then Sony has to do the same pretty much. Again, it doesn't make your current PS4 bad, obsolete or useless. I bought GTX980 card last year. By end of this year there will be a new GTX1080 card that's over 2x as fast. Doesn't mean that I can't run games on my video card on the current PC then.
Rain City Gamer
Member
I think this is just a sign that standard console cycles are going away. It will be more of a PC/Steam Machine approach to gaming (But not as often as Mobile). MS has already started doing this and hinted at the Hardware side, now Sony is doing the same. Nintendo is also doing it with NX (at least from what little we know).
I think as long as the games are compatible with both versions then I don't see an issue. If you can play Uncharted 4 on both but one has higher Res/Framerate then awesome. People who care will pay more and get the PS4+ (people like me haha). I would only have an issue if it splinters the player base of the games and splinters the population of PSN on PS4.
I think as long as the games are compatible with both versions then I don't see an issue. If you can play Uncharted 4 on both but one has higher Res/Framerate then awesome. People who care will pay more and get the PS4+ (people like me haha). I would only have an issue if it splinters the player base of the games and splinters the population of PSN on PS4.
Moon_frogger
Member
the false equivalency here is the only thing blowing my mind. Dedicated gaming console does not equal: phone/tablet lol.
meanspartan
Member
Fuck this if there is no easy (and reasonably priced) way to upgrade.
One of the few benefits of Console gaming is knowing that if I buy the system near-ish to launch, I will have 5 years or so of a console that will just work, no upgrades needed, and no feeling like you are getting a second class experience.
If this is gonna be the new practice, may as well just go PC-only.
Wait til Ps5 for 4k I think.
One of the few benefits of Console gaming is knowing that if I buy the system near-ish to launch, I will have 5 years or so of a console that will just work, no upgrades needed, and no feeling like you are getting a second class experience.
If this is gonna be the new practice, may as well just go PC-only.
Wait til Ps5 for 4k I think.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
If you got 5 years out it why are you complaining? I spend $1000+ every 4 years on a computer and $800 every two years on a video card. Plus $400 x (number of consoles) every 5 years for their revisions.
Even after adding that all up, in a 5 year period I bet I waste more the $3400 I spend on gaming on frivolous garbage like eating out at way to expensive restaurants, going to overpriced movies, blowing ammo at shooting ranges, buying crap that I will never use, etc.
I guarantee you do as well (though they may be different things).
metareferential
Member
The fuck. It's four times the number of pixels (four times the area, since it's doubling the sides).
So Zedox, here we meet again
Like I've said in the Xbox Upgrade thread...Sony will react.
Here we are, I'm still very surprised by the news and we can't even say for sure who started this (maybe MS got some info beforehand and started the whole upgrade talk).
To push VR this makes absolutely sense, because the PS4 can't handle
AAA games @ 2X1080p + >60FPS
As a PS4 owner I stand by my point, the console upgrade idea made the Xbox even less attractive to me and now the PS4X follows the same path. I have built a new PC some days ago and I can see myself not owning consoles in the future now.
StereoVsn
Member
Lol indeed. Why is dedicated console so different from say a video card which people upgrade every 2-3 years or a tablet?
Pinko Marx
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Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
if it splits the market it's a bad idea. comparing to mobiles isn't the same either, because those all take advantage of development API's that make it easy to scale software up/down to have a somewhat broad device compatibility, and not only that, but consumers are willing to dish out the money for a device their whole life revolves around, not a stationary game console sitting in their living room.
to release a 'PS4.5' that can run PS4 games AND also allow devs to enhance their software to take advantage of the extra horsepower but stay compatible with vanilla PS4, they would have to overhaul how their software kits and API's work, establish a hard requirement that all games released moving forward must be compatible with the old PS4, and both of those things would surely make the testing and certification process a lot longer and more complicated.
this really smells of either PS5 just starting early or a PS4 with the PSVR box built into it. the wording about it having extra power for VR games sounds like it could possibly not even allow non-VR games to access the extra power at all.
to release a 'PS4.5' that can run PS4 games AND also allow devs to enhance their software to take advantage of the extra horsepower but stay compatible with vanilla PS4, they would have to overhaul how their software kits and API's work, establish a hard requirement that all games released moving forward must be compatible with the old PS4, and both of those things would surely make the testing and certification process a lot longer and more complicated.
this really smells of either PS5 just starting early or a PS4 with the PSVR box built into it. the wording about it having extra power for VR games sounds like it could possibly not even allow non-VR games to access the extra power at all.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Wow many people demanding that they offer a good upgrade program or else!!!
Also developers will still target the PS4 model now. They wouldnt build games just for the newer system. You realize developers like to make money right? The PS4 has an install base of almost 40 million by summer? Lets say ps4.5 release this fall and has a 20 million install base by 2018, the developers will still target the PS4. The games will run comparable to a low end PC but they will run just fine. Sony will probably support the base ps4 by 2021 or 2022 which is still too long for technology.
Also developers will still target the PS4 model now. They wouldnt build games just for the newer system. You realize developers like to make money right? The PS4 has an install base of almost 40 million by summer? Lets say ps4.5 release this fall and has a 20 million install base by 2018, the developers will still target the PS4. The games will run comparable to a low end PC but they will run just fine. Sony will probably support the base ps4 by 2021 or 2022 which is still too long for technology.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
I call BS.
Most other industries offer upgrades yearly or every two years. If people don't want the PS4K don't get it, you'll still get the same games. Wait for a PS5. But I agree with you, I'm ok with upgrades every 4 years or so. By the time the PS3's cycle was coming to an end it was pretty outdated.
Been saying for months this was coming, now people are pissed. If gamers thought in environment where people pay for mobile phone upgrades much more than they do consoles things would stay the same are foolish to say the least. Not smart just good business sense at this point, but there's still risk.