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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR

Dynamic contrast looks terrible with HDR on in my opinion - KS8000. In Forza Horizon 3, for example, you can't see the desert sand texture with dynamic contrast turned on because it completely washes away fine detail. Looks terrible.

Ignore the color temperature differences, but this is what happens.

Dynamic Contrast OFF:

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Dynamic Contrast ON:

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I agree with you, it looks stunning. The thing is, it's not HDR-like stunning. I remember two areas from early quests (starting cave and
the place you wake up in after the trial
) with only a few light sources (e.g. candles in that spoilered section above). When I set Dynamic Contrast to Medium, the candles were shown as bright as before, but the whole environment was now daylight-bright as well. Which means you end up with a bright picture, but actually lowers the actual HDR effect with very bright light sources like the sun, or spotlights, or candles in contrast to dark areas.

Hmmm strange, I didn't get this at all. What in game and tv brightness settings do you have? In game I have 30% and on my tv is 40, with gamma at -1.
 
The car looks far better with Dynamic Contrast off as well. Look at how well you can see the curvature and lines with it off, and how the blend together into a smudgy mess with it on.
 
Dynamic contrast looks terrible with HDR on in my opinion - KS8000. In Forza Horizon 3, for example, you can't see the desert sand texture with dynamic contrast turned on because it completely washes away fine detail. Looks terrible.

Ignore the color temperature differences, but this is what happens.

Dynamic Contrast OFF:

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Dynamic Contrast ON:

ISIzjFR.jpg

My picture is nowhere near that bright with it off, but it doesn't lose the detail with it on.
 
Dynamic contrast looks terrible with HDR on in my opinion - KS8000. In Forza Horizon 3, for example, you can't see the desert sand texture with dynamic contrast turned on because it completely washes away fine detail. Looks terrible.

Ignore the color temperature differences, but this is what happens.

Dynamic Contrast OFF:

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Dynamic Contrast ON:

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If you guys are going to post comparison pics, make sure you are using manual exposure on your camera. Otherwise, the camera will automatically change brightness to match what it is seeing.
 
Yeah I just toggled it in horizon bc I can trust this game to have great hdr.

No way is anything.other than off right. It literally turned my dawn scene into a daylight one.

You guys just want extra brightness.
That's fine. I've turned up brightness sliders in online games plenty of times to gain an advantage

People like diff color temp settings. It is what it is..


Make sure your eco settings are turned off etc.
 
I came straight from a Panasonic Plasma, which obviously has low response times, so I noticed it slightly to begin with, but now I've just got used to it and don't notice at all.

You're exactly the type of person I need to talk to. I have a Panasonic plasma as well (50in S60). How have you felt about the jump to the KS8000? Anything you miss from the plasma? Is it a big enough jump?
 
Folks, I'm still having some frustrating and stupid issues with my KS8000.

Netflix/Hulu will load their respective menus, let me browse through shows, and will let me select an episode. When I go to play an episode, though, I get an error message. Every time I switch between services or if the service has been left open for a long time, I have to power off the TV then power back on, go through the same process to select an episode and then it'll play.

Hulu content will play normally after I go through the above process, but at about the 10 second mark the audio cuts out for just a second. This happens on everything. It never happens again, but it's a bizarre and specific bug.

Amazon content, across the board, stutters. Every 30-60 seconds there is a hiccup in the video and audio, which is super annoying, especially when watching longer shows or movies.

Spotify has stopped opening altogether.


I have none of these issues with any other device in my house (amazon fire stick, apple tv, ps4, my 4 year old Samsung smart TV this one replaced). Just this goddamned $1600 television.

Sure, the picture is nice and everything, but for that amount of money, all of the features should work as intended.




Does anyone else encounter these issues?

Do you have any advice for fixing this before I have to throw a bunch of time away on the phone with Samsung customer service?
 
I agree with the dynamic contrast stuff.

But what about regular contrast settings? 90-100 range looks washed out to me

Mine is at 94. I think contrast is panel independent tho. That's just what I got in calibration.


I would like to add that people might be finding dim settings if they use the in game brightness sliders.

Simply put. Usually ignore them.

For instance if horizon is at default or 50 it looks great. Even one notch down and it looks too dim.

Those things are a travesty and there bc most people don't have a half calibrated set.
 
I have a ku6300 but it seems like the software is more or less the same. Is there a way to turn off the feature that auto switches inputs when a signal is detected?
 
Folks, I'm still having some frustrating and stupid issues with my KS8000.

Netflix/Hulu will load their respective menus, let me browse through shows, and will let me select an episode. When I go to play an episode, though, I get an error message. Every time I switch between services or if the service has been left open for a long time, I have to power off the TV then power back on, go through the same process to select an episode and then it'll play.

Hulu content will play normally after I go through the above process, but at about the 10 second mark the audio cuts out for just a second. This happens on everything. It never happens again, but it's a bizarre and specific bug.

Amazon content, across the board, stutters. Every 30-60 seconds there is a hiccup in the video and audio, which is super annoying, especially when watching longer shows or movies.

Spotify has stopped opening altogether.


I have none of these issues with any other device in my house (amazon fire stick, apple tv, ps4, my 4 year old Samsung smart TV this one replaced). Just this goddamned $1600 television.

Sure, the picture is nice and everything, but for that amount of money, all of the features should work as intended.




Does anyone else encounter these issues?

Do you have any advice for fixing this before I have to throw a bunch of time away on the phone with Samsung customer service?

Not having any of these issues. The only issue I do have is the undefeatable auto-dimming in HDR when there's bright and dark stuff on-screen. It's really annoying in The Grand Tour when they show a bright car with a dark border around it (when they're chatting), and as soon as it switches back to the main view of the guys you can see it brighten back up.

Sigh... thanks, Samsung.
 
I was fiddling with dynamic contrast in FFXV yesterday after reading the discussion here. To my eyes it oversaturates colors. It definitely pops more and I can see why you'd like it, but if I for example focus on the sky and set it to medium the clouds mesh together with the sky, and when I had it on medium during the night it was basically daylight, I could see all over the place which is not intended. I will probably leave it at off too, even though the image can get a little dim at times.
 
It's all personal preference of course but I can't believe HDR content on this set is intended to be used without Dynamic Contrast. It's so dim and dark. I was watching The OA on Netflix and every daytime scene looked like it was shot in the evening. Same with The Revenant on UHD BR.

I'm using Dynamic Contrast on High with HDR material (off for SDR) and I am very happy with it.
 
It's natural to like a bright image, doesn't mean it's correct.

You guys will come around eventually. Everyone comes around eventually.
 
You're exactly the type of person I need to talk to. I have a Panasonic plasma as well (50in S60). How have you felt about the jump to the KS8000? Anything you miss from the plasma? Is it a big enough jump?

I have the 2009 version of that tv. I guess I was initially struck by my color setup looking different in regards to Blops 3 orange. It could be that the Panny was given a lot of red push through service menus, but it looked closer to the box on my panasonic.

I guess my first disappointments were viewing angles and how bad low resolution content can look. The TV is good enough to show you flaws with Internet videos at 720p. Stand above the tv and you will see the blocks associated with low bit rate. The Pansonic covered that up, in the same way that people hunt down crts to play n64. Blu rays look great, but I could tell the look of a 1080p game over 4k early on. The Panasonic never made me want for more when it was all I had. (Near 4k stuff on the ps4 pro is good enough to my eues)

My panasonic had rising black levels over its life, which is well documented that year. I think this TV beats it.

Viewing angles affect the image quality which didn't happen with the panasonic. Mine is often seen from the kitchen off to the side and it looks rough. It also shows you that you have smart LED turned on when viewed from the sides. You probably need a black image with some icon in the middle to have that stand out, but you'll notice it eventually.

But all that said, fuck that panasonic. I don't want to even turn it on in my bedroom. The ks8000 looks amazing from the couch I watch from. It pulls a few tricks to get inky blacks, but i dont notice them enough to care. At 65 inch with zero bezel, it is breathtaking. You see flaws in content because it's the price of having a higher resolution screen, and it happened with the jump to HD too. True 1080 scales well though.

If you get a big version, I have no doubt you will feel that the Panasonic is now small and the bezel distracting bulky. You'll prefer this pretty quickly, but I did have a moment when I first turned it on standing to the side of it that I thought I made a huge mistake. The panny had serious strengths.
 
You're exactly the type of person I need to talk to. I have a Panasonic plasma as well (50in S60). How have you felt about the jump to the KS8000? Anything you miss from the plasma? Is it a big enough jump?

Mine was a 42 inch tx series, by no means to of the range, but an absolute steal for £400 in 2011. Love the change overall, one of my best purchases ever. A lot of fiddling with the settings to get the picture I want, but this would be the same with any tv. The colour and picture quality is a huge leap forward. I use the hdr+ mode on all non-hdr and non game content as I love how it looks, particularly on sports. Initially noticed it wasn't as smooth a refresh rate, but fiddled with the motion settings and got used to it. One thing you might notice is a bit of backlight bleed due to it being edge lit, doesn't bother me too much personally. Brightness and colors are incredible on the Samsung. Overall it's been an astronomical leap for me on quality.
 
Mine is at 94. I think contrast is panel independent tho. That's just what I got in calibration.


I would like to add that people might be finding dim settings if they use the in game brightness sliders.

Simply put. Usually ignore them.

For instance if horizon is at default or 50 it looks great. Even one notch down and it looks too dim.

Those things are a travesty and there bc most people don't have a half calibrated set.

Using the in game brightness settings doesn't effect the whites though, the whites are too dim on my tv if I don't turn dynamic contrast on.
 
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.

Dynamic contrast off:


Dynamic contrast medium:


I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.

I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).
 
I was fiddling with dynamic contrast in FFXV yesterday after reading the discussion here. To my eyes it oversaturates colors. It definitely pops more and I can see why you'd like it, but if I for example focus on the sky and set it to medium the clouds mesh together with the sky, and when I had it on medium during the night it was basically daylight, I could see all over the place which is not intended. I will probably leave it at off too, even though the image can get a little dim at times.

I agree completely, I found the same thing doing some comparisons in Horizon.

With it off everything looked right, turning it on made everything too bright and washed out cloud/sky details.
 
My thoughts on Dynamic Contrast: if the picture looks wrong - like Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix - set DC to medium to fix it. It will make a profound difference. If the picture looks fine - like RE7, which I just sped through today in HDR - by all means, test the Dynamic Contrast if you like, but there won't be a profound difference between Off and Medium - you'll just see a loss of detail. Leave it off. Same experience with Gears 4: both games looked perfect with regular Game settings plus Backlight at max. No DC required.

No idea what's going on, but it seems like there's two types of HDR content, or the TV process certain HDR content incorrectly. No idea. But if the picture looks like there's a grey filter slapped on it, Dynamic Contrast Medium is the fix. Otherwise leave it alone, because it's not needed.

Doubters: check out Santa Clarita Diet via your TV's Netflix app and see for yourselves. With Dynamic Contrast off, the picture looks like garbage. It becomes correct when you turn it on; the true beauty of the show is unlocked, and it's gorgeous.

Never used DC for SDR content, both because the image doesn't need to be tweaked, and because it just serves to kill detail when turned on. But whatever's going on with weird looking HDR, Dynamic Contrast to Medium is the fix.

High is too much. Again, check Santa Clarita Diet. High DC crushes blacks, kills detail, and makes fleshtones inaccurate. Low doesn't quite fix the image. Medium is where it's at.

I'm still waiting for Amazon to deliver my copy of Horizon, but I'll post impressions when I get it.


Edit:
I guess my first disappointments were viewing angles and how bad low resolution content can look. The TV is good enough to show you flaws with Internet videos at 720p.

Have you turned on Digital Clean View? I'm coming from a 720p Panasonic of a similar vintage to yours, and I can't believe how good SD content looks on this 4K TV. I'd go so far as to say it looks better than the Panasonic. But I rock Digital Clean View.
 
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Have you turned on Digital Clean View? I'm coming from a 720p Panasonic of a similar vintage to yours, and I can't believe how good SD content looks on this 4K TV. I'd go so far as to say it looks better than the Panasonic. But I rock Digital Clean View.

I was also unsure before I set it up right, now I can't believe how good standard def. TV looks, Digital clean view is a must for SD.
 
Some of ya'll folks is crazy. Dynamic contrast should be off when viewing/playing HDR content. Then again, if it looks good to you then why change it, also why would anyone need validation? It's validation enough that you believe it looks "correct". HDR isn't meant to deliver colors that "pop". It's meant to give accurate colors that try to represent want you would see in real life.

Those that like DC on while watching/playing HDR content simply like lush colors and that's OK.
 
Some of ya'll folks is crazy. Dynamic contrast should be off when viewing/playing HDR content. Then again, if it looks good to you then why change it, also why would anyone need validation? It's validation enough that you believe it looks "correct". HDR isn't meant to deliver colors that "pop". It's meant to give accurate colors that try to represent want you would see in real life.

Those that like DC on while watching/playing HDR content simply like lush colors and that's OK.

I think as much as people might be wanting validation, they are also checking people aren't getting different results. Think the confusion is down to people's personal preferences. I for example think the more vibrant colours with dynamic contrast on in HDR do a better job of representing real life (i don't seem to suffer the colour blooming people get when they turn DC on though).
 
It's all personal preference of course but I can't believe HDR content on this set is intended to be used without Dynamic Contrast. It's so dim and dark. I was watching The OA on Netflix and every daytime scene looked like it was shot in the evening. Same with The Revenant on UHD BR.

I'm using Dynamic Contrast on High with HDR material (off for SDR) and I am very happy with it.

Are you putting your backlight at 20 when viewing HDR content?? If you don't give your eyes time to adjust to the picture, yes the picture will look "dim and dark." It's all about adjusting because, leaving dynamic contrast on high is just taking away all of the the details in the picture and making everything look over saturated.

Again, like you said though, it's all personal preference. I'm just trying to right some of you guys who think dynamic contrast should be on high.
 
Are you putting your backlight at 20 when viewing HDR content?? If you don't give your eyes time to adjust to the picture, yes the picture will look "dim and dark." It's all about adjusting because, leaving dynamic contrast on high is just taking away all of the the details in the picture and making everything look over saturated.

Again, like you said though, it's all personal preference. I'm just trying to right some of you guys who think dynamic contrast should be on high.

Yep backlight is very much on 20. I gave it a good go with Dynamic Contrast off, that's how I started based on settings I'd seen online, but came to the conclusion that DC needs to be at least medium for me personally. Love a good vibrant colour :P
 
49KS7000 owner here

My experience:
I had much black crush with PS4 set color range to automatic or limited on the PS4 in HDR games.
After setting it to full it looks good to me.

Testing Uncharted 4 and going through a tunel in Madagascar with a car I had to reduce the brightness to 78 to see details in the tunel exit. (contrast to 45 to see the most details in very dark areas)
I will test color gradients with my computer to see if it indeed must be at 78.
 
Are you putting your backlight at 20 when viewing HDR content?? If you don't give your eyes time to adjust to the picture, yes the picture will look "dim and dark." It's all about adjusting because, leaving dynamic contrast on high is just taking away all of the the details in the picture and making everything look over saturated.

Again, like you said though, it's all personal preference. I'm just trying to right some of you guys who think dynamic contrast should be on high.

I consider myself a bit of a videophile. I've owned countless numbers of sets over the years, tons of DVD/blu-ray/4K players, the gamut of streaming devices, several A/V receivers, etc...

I don't know how the hell anyone can think Dynamic Contrast OFF looks acceptable in day light viewing. The picture is simply WAY too dim. HDR is supposed to simulate real life lighting and colors. I have never seen an outdoor vista in real life anywhere near as dim as most HDR content looks on the KS8000 with Dynamic Contrast off. There just isn't enough light output. Now, maybe this is because this is the early days of HDR, and in a handful of years television technology will be at the point where it can provide a high enough light output for an HDR picture without any post processing, but until then, Dynamic Contrast will stay set to Medium for me.

Nighttime viewing? Sure. I turn off Dynamic Contrast in a pitch black room as well. But if it's a sunny day and there's a lot of light in your living room, Dynamic Contrast off looks really unappealing.
 
I consider myself a bit of a videophile. I've owned countless numbers of sets over the years, tons of DVD/blu-ray/4K players, the gamut of streaming devices, several A/V receivers, etc...

I don't know how the hell anyone can think Dynamic Contrast OFF looks acceptable in day light viewing. The picture is simply WAY too dim. HDR is supposed to simulate real life lighting and colors. I have never seen an outdoor vista in real life anywhere near as dim as most HDR content looks on the KS8000 with Dynamic Contrast off. There just isn't enough light output. Now, maybe this is because this is the early days of HDR, and in a handful of years television technology will be at the point where it can provide a high enough light output for an HDR picture without any post processing, but until then, Dynamic Contrast will stay set to Medium for me.

Nighttime viewing? Sure. I turn off Dynamic Contrast in a pitch black room as well. But if it's a sunny day and there's a lot of light in your living room, Dynamic Contrast off looks really unappealing.

I don't think you should worry that much about daylight viewing image quality anyway as it will nearly always be subpar. Everyone has a different setup, for me with the blinds down I find just turning up the backlight is acceptable for daytime use.
 
I consider myself a bit of a videophile. I've owned countless numbers of sets over the years, tons of DVD/blu-ray/4K players, the gamut of streaming devices, several A/V receivers, etc...

I don't know how the hell anyone can think Dynamic Contrast OFF looks acceptable in day light viewing. The picture is simply WAY too dim. HDR is supposed to simulate real life lighting and colors. I have never seen an outdoor vista in real life anywhere near as dim as most HDR content looks on the KS8000 with Dynamic Contrast off. There just isn't enough light output. Now, maybe this is because this is the early days of HDR, and in a handful of years television technology will be at the point where it can provide a high enough light output for an HDR picture without any post processing, but until then, Dynamic Contrast will stay set to Medium for me.

Nighttime viewing? Sure. I turn off Dynamic Contrast in a pitch black room as well. But if it's a sunny day and there's a lot of light in your living room, Dynamic Contrast off looks really unappealing.

See, for me, the vast majority of HDR content looks phenomenal. 4K Blu-rays, The Grand Tour on Amazon Prime, the games I mentioned on both Pro and Sbone...But some Netflix shows have the grey wash over them that looks like trash, and which sounds like the effect people are saying occurs on Infamous First Light. The way to fix that is with Dynamic Contrast, but it's only worth doing if the picture looks totally wrong. If it looks fine, DC will just make it pop a bit more while sacrificing detail; as it does with SDR content.

Seriously guys, check Santa Clarita Diet and report back. The show looks like you're watching through a dirty rag without DC at medium.
 
I dunno if i just dont have it set properly, but HDR really doesnt wow me at all. I expected a lot more after all the impressions we got from Forza Horizon and other games.
 
I dunno if i just dont have it set properly, but HDR really doesnt wow me at all. I expected a lot more after all the impressions we got from Forza Horizon and other games.

It's not suppose to wow you, it's supposed to show you more detail and color variation. It's not the overblown effect you see on some HDR photos or "vibrancy" settings.
 
How have peoples general ownership experiences been with the UE55KS8000 (UK model) or its equivalent US version?

I came close to pushing the button today but then read of nightmarish QA issues and build quality over on AV Forums, and now I'm backing right off.

Maybe my 100% trouble-free 10-year-old Pioneer plasma has another decade left in it after all...
 
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.

Dynamic contrast off:


Dynamic contrast medium:


I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.

I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).

Your brightness ingame is set too low. Turn your dynamic contrast to off and increase the ingame brightness. It's what I did
 
If my TV has HDR+, I want to leave that off right? Will my PS4 still implement HDR? I'm new to the 4k experience so I'm not sure how some of this works
 
I know it's showing Dolby Vision, but it's the same idea. Are you guys saying this picture is a lie? When I have dynamic contrast on medium/high it looks like the pic on the right, if I turn it off it looks like the pic on the left. I don't lose detail when I turn DC on, I think that only happens on HDR when the colour setting is up too high.

 
If my TV has HDR+, I want to leave that off right? Will my PS4 still implement HDR? I'm new to the 4k experience so I'm not sure how some of this works

HDR+ is supposed to be 'HDR upscaling' for non-HDR content, so yes turn it off when using HDR. Game mode is usually best as it reduces lag between the controller and what you see on screen.
 
How have peoples general ownership experiences been with the UE55KS8000 (UK model) or its equivalent US version?

I came close to pushing the button today but then read of nightmarish QA issues and build quality over on AV Forums, and now I'm backing right off.

Maybe my 100% trouble-free 10-year-old Pioneer plasma has another decade left in it after all...
No QA or build quality problems with my week old 65" model.
 
I don't think my settings are final but they work well enough in HDR right now.
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 47
Contrast: 87
Sharpness: 21
Color: 45
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Color space: Auto

All PS4 system settings on Auto.

This is pretty much my settings and the picture looks fantastic in Ratchet and Clank, Tomb Raider and ESO. I spent two weeks tweaking. The final touch was not listening to the pros and turning DC to Medium. It really brought my picture to life and the colors are perfect.

I have brightness to 50, though.

EDIT: Game Mode on and HDR+ off obviously.
 
HDR+ is supposed to be 'HDR upscaling' for non-HDR content, so yes turn it off when using HDR. Game mode is usually best as it reduces lag between the controller and what you see on screen.
I see, thanks! I'm trying to figure out optimal settings for the TV I have so I can quit screwing with it for hours at a time

I keep convincing myself that it could look better
 
How have peoples general ownership experiences been with the UE55KS8000 (UK model) or its equivalent US version?

I came close to pushing the button today but then read of nightmarish QA issues and build quality over on AV Forums, and now I'm backing right off.

Maybe my 100% trouble-free 10-year-old Pioneer plasma has another decade left in it after all...

There's bound to be a few issues here and there, it's a popular model and popular brand so you're more likely to hear about the issues, probably find similar with other brands. I suspect the actual % of TV's that have a problem is very small.
 
Question: is your Eco sensor off? The screen should get bright enough with it off.

Not sure how is applie to HDR content but Even putting dynamic contrast on low crushed large portions of black ceiling in the first area of the game. It only got worse with each setting. Yes it pops more but you are almost guaranteed to be losing detail in the image which is the exact opposite of what you want.
 
As someone else said earlier in this thread, the people at Avsforums compiled a guide for the TV (it's in the first post). In it, they recommend dynamic contrast to be low or medium for HDR. I'm tearing my hair out over these settings. As I said before having it on definitiely meshes stuff together, and overly brightens the image, but I also feel that the image is dim like some people have said here. I'm so torn over this setting, and it's confusing that no one seems to be able to agree upon what it actually does.

Edit: Forgot the link: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...cial-samsung-ks8000-ks8500-owners-thread.html
 
This is pretty much my settings and the picture looks fantastic in Ratchet and Clank, Tomb Raider and ESO. I spent two weeks tweaking. The final touch was not listening to the pros and turning DC to Medium. It really brought my picture to life and the colors are perfect.

I have brightness to 50, though.

EDIT: Game Mode on and HDR+ off obviously.

Can you do an experiment for me? Disable HDR from PS4's system menu but leave the TV on HDR settings, then launch Ratchet and tell me if you can see a difference.
 
So is auto-dimming a thing on the KS8XXX's? Mine is on the way but I'm going to be pretty bummed if it's a feature I can't disable. Pushed me off of Samsung brands 4 years ago and moved to LG for this reason. Now going back and I really hope it's something I can adjust. Can anyone speak to it?
 
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.

Dynamic contrast off:


Dynamic contrast medium:


I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.

I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).

Thanks. Are you able to do a comparison pic with HDR on and off one with dynamic contrast on and one with it off. Im curious to see differences in this game. Thanks.
 
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