Goose_Se7en
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Lol I hear you. Besides the fact that some games make me sick, being too lazy to get up and switch the cables everytime is a main factor in my PSVR being in its box and barely used.
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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Lol I hear you. Besides the fact that some games make me sick, being too lazy to get up and switch the cables everytime is a main factor in my PSVR being in its box and barely used.
You honestly are justifying your decision by saying "there's a reason these are the default settings?"
Seriously?
Oy...
May I remind you that most TVs ship with the Soap Opera effect nonsense switched on, and the TV set to Torch Mode? You think that's the best picture setting because the manufacturer shipped it that way?
Bear in mind, the Warm2 setting is the most color accurate for movies, and the KS8000 sure as heck doesn't ship this way. So why isn't it set that way out of the box, given that it is OBJECTIVELY (i.e. measured) as the most accurate setting?
Again, personal preference is one thing, but don't make it out like Samsung set it this way because it's the best way.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
I can't believe we're still talking about this. Dynamic contrast is a post-processing effect. By definition it can only remove data from the original intended signal. It can add it's own data, but that is just on-the-fly tweaks that (to me) make the picture worse.
HDR data is coming from the game/video, and is intended to be there. Any post-processing is just the TV saying "Gawrsh I dunno, maybe let's smear the fuck out of this light-colored part of the image and make most of it stark, bright white!"
If you like Dynamic Contrast, by all means use it. At the end of the day I'd still say you're getting an awesome image. But acknowledge what it is.
HDR data is coming from the game/video, and is intended to be there. Any post-processing is just the TV saying "Gawrsh I dunno, maybe let's smear the fuck out of this light-colored part of the image and make most of it stark, bright white!"
If you like Dynamic Contrast, by all means use it. At the end of the day I'd still say you're getting an awesome image. But acknowledge what it is.
PodcastFips
Member
I think the main reason is many people don't accurately know what HDR is supposed to be. Some expect ultra bright images, others expect colours to pop out, but all of that is just not true.
All it does is increase the range between the brightest white tone and the darkest black tone for a greater variance of contrast and colours. That is why the image looks dim in some parts (e.g. shadows, caves) and very bright in others (e.g. sunlight).
All it does is increase the range between the brightest white tone and the darkest black tone for a greater variance of contrast and colours. That is why the image looks dim in some parts (e.g. shadows, caves) and very bright in others (e.g. sunlight).
Pantz
Member
Well for Horizon I've settled on 35% in-game brightness. (Based off 100 contrast and DC off). 50% is just too bright at night and in the morning. Any lower than 35% and it's not quite bright enough during the day. I wish it could automatically be darker at night kinda like those Skyrim mods.
Right? I'll be very interested to check out Horizon for myself in a couple of days, but Santa Clarita Diet is straight up broken until you turn on DC - and when you do, it looks Grand Tour level stunning. I hope I won't find I need to fix Horizon, but if I do, I won't be shy about using DC; because something is definitely wrong with content that looks like Santa Clarita.
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
I think I solved the brightness issue!
Just had more time to double check and there definitely is a bug in the firmware. After updating to 1165 and resetting the TV settings, HDR is much brighter and does not require Dynamic Contrast. Then brightness 52, contrast 96 and we're talking.
That explains all disagreements between people.
If your HDR is dark, try that! I'm very curious if it works for others
Just had more time to double check and there definitely is a bug in the firmware. After updating to 1165 and resetting the TV settings, HDR is much brighter and does not require Dynamic Contrast. Then brightness 52, contrast 96 and we're talking.
That explains all disagreements between people.
If your HDR is dark, try that! I'm very curious if it works for others
deranged_666
Member
Let us know if it works! I'll happily turn DC off if the picture looks right once reset, maybe a weekend job.
mario_O
Member
I think the dynamic contrast setting depends on the content. For movies I never use dynamic contrast. For games the default 'medium' setting looks good. And I only use 'standard mode' with high dynamic contrast for Youtube 4K HDR videos. Why would samsung add a setting that always destroys image quality?
MrNineties
Member
I have a UN65KS8000FXZC (Canadian Ver. of FXZA) and I see that as of Feb 27th firmware version 1167.0 was made available. Anyone try it?
Who knows? Same reason many TVs ship with the sharpness setting set to 50 etc, when 0 is correct. Artificial sharpening sucks!
Yeah why would manufacturers include settings like noise reduction, brilliance enhancer, dynamic contrast and motion plus etc.
Because most people like them, and like a vibrant picture. Some people just like settings to be correct to readings from calibration tools, which is fair enough, but this doesn't apply to the vast majority of owners.
Also adds flexibility because not everyone has there TV in a dark room, and not all content comes perfectly.
Artificial sharpening sucks? Come on, seriously?
Because such things apparently sell TVs. Ever looked at TVs in a brightly lit store? The demo mode usually has every sharpening and contrast enhancement thing on so it looks really sharp and vibrant especially compared to that lower tier model right next to it.
Then there are even owners who prefer those overblown colors.
The real issue with the sharpening in the KS8000 is that it starts to add artifacts really quickly.
noomi
Member
Does anyone have this TV mounted above the fireplace?
Moving into a new house and as much as I hate to have it over the fireplace it's the only fucking way I can make it work in the family room (the way the house is designed).
I'm asking because the fireplace mantle is very high, and the TV will have to be mounted above it making it pretty high itself. I will likely have to be looking up at it now, rather than having it eye level
Curious if anyone has a similar setup and if there are any viewing angle issues (i will have the tv tilted down a bit). Also picking up a mantel mount will lets me pull the tv down a bit to have it over the actual fireplace.
Moving into a new house and as much as I hate to have it over the fireplace it's the only fucking way I can make it work in the family room (the way the house is designed).
I'm asking because the fireplace mantle is very high, and the TV will have to be mounted above it making it pretty high itself. I will likely have to be looking up at it now, rather than having it eye level
Curious if anyone has a similar setup and if there are any viewing angle issues (i will have the tv tilted down a bit). Also picking up a mantel mount will lets me pull the tv down a bit to have it over the actual fireplace.
Does anyone have this TV mounted above the fireplace?
Moving into a new house and as much as I hate to have it over the fireplace it's the only fucking way I can make it work in the family room (the way the house is designed).
I'm asking because the fireplace mantle is very high, and the TV will have to be mounted above it making it pretty high itself. I will likely have to be looking up at it now, rather than having it eye level
I think the only thing I woudl be worried about would be if heat from the fireplace when in use would warm up glue in the TV or something as some people have had issues with some stupid glued or taped parts coming apart in the frame with Samsung fixing them with more 3M tape.
Just gave in : ordered a 55" KS7000 (EU version of KS8000) with an excellent deal : 990 EUR, the lowest I've ever seen (the TV launched at 1900 EUR less than a year ago here).
I have to wait until saturday to pick it up but it would be a good companion to start Horizon and to test the Switch.
I have to wait until saturday to pick it up but it would be a good companion to start Horizon and to test the Switch.
It was a cumulation of Mediamarkt (in Belgium) making a last drop to 1199 EUR (probably cleaning stock before arrival of the 2017 models, it was 1499 there a week before) and them having an "action" sale this week only where they "offer" you the VAT (21% tax). Perfect Storm for a good deal.
To think I almost pulled the trigger in January for 1399.
noomi
Member
Thankfully it's a completely enclosed fireplace, so if there is any heat it's very low and doesn't create any soot (or I think so anyway....)
Thanks for the comment
Impulsor
Member
does anybody have this problem with their ps4 pro?
I Have a European KS9000, and the PS4 pro RANDOMLY goes black screen and no sound for like a couple of seconds.
It's really random as it sometimes does not happen for a lot of time and sometimes it happens several times during the same play session.
Is there any fix for this?
I Have a European KS9000, and the PS4 pro RANDOMLY goes black screen and no sound for like a couple of seconds.
It's really random as it sometimes does not happen for a lot of time and sometimes it happens several times during the same play session.
Is there any fix for this?
Buy a better HDMI cable or try a different input on the Samsung. That does sound exactly like the issues I had with some HDMI cables.
I've never had a problem, but I've heard an issue can be caused by having PS4 video settings set to Auto.
Is the Ps4 Pro plugged directly into the TV?
Impulsor
Member
Try setting the resolution to 2160 RGB, and the RGB range to full. With the RGB range on full you'll want to make sure the 'HDMI Black level' on the samsung is set to normal.
Could be the HDMI cable as Laxu mentioned.
Just spoke to a guy from Samsung with regards to Dynamic Contrast whilst HDR is on. Apart from saying many times that it's down to personal preference, he did say that whilst Dynamic Contrast can cause blacks/whites to be crushed, in 4K HDR content this should be very minimal and hardly noticeable, whereas it's a lot more obvious in non-HDR content.
pinballsummer
Member
I'm having this same problem, but with PC. It's been driving me absolutely insane! It comes and goes - sometimes I'll go days without an issue, then the next day - black screen for 2 seconds every 2 minutes.
I changed the color setting on the TV to 'Auto' from 'Native' to see if that does anything.
Running out of ideas....
pinballsummer
Member
And no - it's not an HDMI problem. I've tried 4 different cables!
PodcastFips
Member
Tried that because I was curious, it really didn't change a thing.
Aside from low-res TV channels, it really does.
Impulsor
Member
it isn't, tried different cables. This is a high quality cable.
Its noticable in games. Thats enough for me to not use it.
Seriously, you lose so much contrast in brights and darks its unreal.
Just the fact that he doesnt say, yes you need it on should be proof that yes its a preference of brightness.
Lucky for me i almost always play in the dark.
So this is probably the best thread to ask this question in. My local Sears is selling a 55" KS8000 for $1000. The thing is it's the display unit. I have a slight issue buying a TV that has been on constantly for like 12 hours a day for god knows how long it's been there. Are my concerns nonsensical? Should I grab it for this price? Should I wait to see if the price goes down further in the next week or so (apparently they're trying to get rid it)? Should I avoid display models at all cost?
Spycarnegy
Member
Has any deal recently beaten that $730 epp scoop a few months back? I'd love to grab a second 55in but I aint unless i can scoop it at that price again lol
Does anyone have this TV mounted above the fireplace?
Moving into a new house and as much as I hate to have it over the fireplace it's the only fucking way I can make it work in the family room (the way the house is designed).
I'm asking because the fireplace mantle is very high, and the TV will have to be mounted above it making it pretty high itself. I will likely have to be looking up at it now, rather than having it eye level
Curious if anyone has a similar setup and if there are any viewing angle issues (i will have the tv tilted down a bit). Also picking up a mantel mount will lets me pull the tv down a bit to have it over the actual fireplace.
I have mine mounted above my electric fireplace. It's higher than eye level and I wanted to go even higher but luckily the Best Buy Geek Squad talked me out of it and showed me a great level. I look up a tad bit when looking at the tv and have no viewing angle problems whatsoever. Mainly because I got the wall mount bracket than can go up, down, left or right. I have it angled down a bit and never move it out of that position. I only move it left or right depending on where I am in the room. I got the one from Best Buy. It was like $150.
I was waiting on a sub-$1000 deal for a few months, until I saw the B6 for just a few hundred more last weekend.
Hello, OLED.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
I find it strange, that any one feel they need to use "dynamic contrast" in 2017, especially for HDR content. It's like a 8 yr old feature.
Santa. Clarita. Diet.
Check it out, and tell me it looks correct with DC off.
I'm not saying DC is what we're supposed to use, but I am saying that turning it on seems to be necessary in order to make some HDR content look like it should. Santa Clarita is almost unwatchable with DC off. Bright, daylight scenes look like they're obscured by a grey filter.
I'll say again, I've not found it necessary for any HDR games I've played so far on either console, any HDR Blu-rays, or The Grand Tour on the Amazon app. It is 100% necessary to fix Santa Clarita Diet on the TV's Netflix app.
TV's are 92 years old, think they've updated and improved them in that time, I'm sure the same applies here
It's just preference, you can't deny the colours look more vivid with it on, that's what a lot of people prefer.
Not sure I follow you. Of course artificial sharpening sucks. It causes all sorts of edge-enhancement halos, and butchers the image.
As with everything, personal preference, but I prefer a non-slaughtered image.
Jakartalado
Member
My god.... Horizon Zero Dawn looks fantastic.
I'm just curious about Sharpening.
I set to 8, zero makes blurry and more than 10 adds artifacts. Which are you guys using? 8 also adds a bit of artifacts I think but... It's a very strange option
I'm just curious about Sharpening.
I set to 8, zero makes blurry and more than 10 adds artifacts. Which are you guys using? 8 also adds a bit of artifacts I think but... It's a very strange option
I 100% agree with you on SDR, but HDR is an entirely different thing.
There's no standard or mastering grade for HDR. It is literally the wild west out there. Hell- the television used to show off HDR at the Sony PS4 Pro presser was a SPECIAL ZD9 that hit 2500 nits, which their own consumer model doesn't hit.
PodcastFips
Member
Adding additional sharpening will always add some shimmer, however a value up to 10 should not change anything too noticeably.