No problems at all here, and that includes a few different shows in HDR and a few different games in HDR. Maybe some people haven't disabled the Eco features.
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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No problems at all here, and that includes a few different shows in HDR and a few different games in HDR. Maybe some people haven't disabled the Eco features.
Ah okay. So it's enabled automatically if ECO settings are on. Disabling ECO settings should take care of disabling auto/local dimming then. F yes.
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.
Dynamic contrast off:
Dynamic contrast medium:
I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.
I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).
You can see the detail loss in the mountains with Dynamic Contrast on.
I don't have Horizon Zero Dawn but does it have an in game HDR brightness slider?
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.
Dynamic contrast off:
Dynamic contrast medium:
I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.
I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).
You can literally see the detail in the background being washed out with this comparison. Look at the trees and mountain directly above Aloy's head.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Yes. If the screen is mostly dark, the total light output from the screen is reduced in order to maintain good black levels and minimize any flashlighting or clouding you may see. As a result, on a solid black screen with a small amount of white writing in the middle the white lettering will appear somewhat dim. You can offset this somewhat by using the local-dimming feature (Smart LED) but it still happens and can't be disabled.
I notice the reduced brightness but I don't consider it a problem. I like having the "inky" blacks in darker scenes, and I'm not ready to fork out OLED money to avoid the issue. Besides, the OLED will dim in bright scenes, so it's a pick your poison situation.
As for dynamic contrast, I find that the Low setting helps a lot with darker content without TOO much loss of detail. Medium absolutely crushes bright/white detail and High also crushes blacks like a mofo. If I need DC, I only use Low.
VincentMatts
Member
well from all the impressions of people seeing it in action at various events, everyone was saying it was a night and day difference. I dunno, i see nice colors but not a night and day difference.
That's the picture quality, seeing it in person you can't see any loss. I'd take a minimal loss to make the colors much better anyway.
I would upload, but the difference doesn't show up very well on the pics taken from my phone. Can a lot more detail in Aloys armour, trees, and in the distance. Night time looks especially good.
Metalingus5150
Member
How well does this TV handle gaming from non 4k systems? eg PS4,Xbox One vanilla.
infinityBCRT
Member
Agreed. Using the rtings suggested settings has been perfect for me. When I was messing around with my brother's KS8000, initially the screen seemed super dim without dynamic contrast, but then we figured out that eco sensor was on and forgot to turn it off as per rtings settings (so dumb this is the default setting), which was causing the dimness. When I turned it off, everything looked great.
Yeah, just make you go check your Eco settings for every possible mode you're using. Each one has its own set of Eco settings to be turned off.
I thought I had gone through everything, but while playing Plex I noticed my screen was getting dimmer. Turned out there was yet another set of Eco settings for the apps that I hadn't changed.
Pics below From Horizon Zero Dawn. Made sure exposure was set to manual.
Dynamic contrast off:
Dynamic contrast medium:
I don't think the photo on the off one really does justice to how dark and dull it looks in a sunny scene.
I noticed going outside this morning how everything was relatively bright and vibrant looking despite it being an overcast and dull day, it looks more like a picture with dynamic contrast turned up to at least medium, tempted to even say high is the best representation of real life (to me).
Those pictures once again tell me Dynamic Contrast should be Off. You wash away so many details it's hilarious. Look at the ground textures (or lack thereof) with DC set to ON. It's just not worth it. Your backlight should be set to 20, and your brightness should be good without DC use at all.
And you'd be missing out. But as has been said, to each his own! Dynamic Contrast absolutely, positively RUINS the image.
I need to know how the switch is going to look on this TV.
I'm going to be pissed if it looks so bad that I'll have to keep the dock upstairs on a 1080p tv
Some in the switch thread were saying 720 and 900p wouldn't scale well on a 4k tv.
It will look "OK" if the Wii U is anything to go by. But it's not going to be astonishing..
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I need to know how the switch is going to look on this TV.
I'm going to be pissed if it looks so bad that I'll have to keep the dock upstairs on a 1080p tv
Some in the switch thread were saying 720 and 900p wouldn't scale well on a 4k tv.
It's going to look no worse than it does on a same-size 1080p TV. Which is not to say it will look pristine, but it won't look great on a 1080p set either. If the other set is also smaller, then it's possible it will look nicer on it.
bodine1231
Member
I'm having the problem that if I keep the system at 4k 422 RGB I get a black screen for a second every now and then and the picture will come back when playing in HDR. If I set it to 4K 420 on the PSN it doesnt do this.
I need to know how the switch is going to look on this TV.
I'm going to be pissed if it looks so bad that I'll have to keep the dock upstairs on a 1080p tv
Some in the switch thread were saying 720 and 900p wouldn't scale well on a 4k tv.
720p looks mediocre on a 55"/65" screen, whether its 1080p or 4K native.
mario_O
Member
I've done my testing. When using 'standard mode' with default "high" DC, it doesn't burn the image. However, with 'movie mode' you have to leave it off, or it will crush whites. There's a reason these are the default settings.
Future PhaZe
Member
my hdr settings:
Brightness 30, Backlight max, contrast max,
non hdr: brightness 40, backlight 15
Brightness 30, Backlight max, contrast max,
non hdr: brightness 40, backlight 15
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
Alright, I'm in the camp of using DC for HDR but... I think there might be a bug.
Got new firmware, I reset all the settings and started from scratch and now I can actually play with DC off.
I still need to check HDR shows, as these were particularly bad with no DC.
One bug I know there is for sure is that occasionally Movie mode would cut refresh rate in half and flickering was quite noticeable.
Got new firmware, I reset all the settings and started from scratch and now I can actually play with DC off.
I still need to check HDR shows, as these were particularly bad with no DC.
One bug I know there is for sure is that occasionally Movie mode would cut refresh rate in half and flickering was quite noticeable.
Obviously didn't see my post where I said the picture isn't a good representation. When I'm sat in front of the tv I don't see any loss at all, just uploaded to pic to show that it was duller. Maybe it's a bug in some of the panels then, stopping it being bright enough with it off, or maybe I'm just playing in a brighter room.
Definitely see the detail loss in non-hdr, but like it on medium anyway. In hdr I don't get any loss at all.
People keep saying hdr isn't supposed to look bright and vibrant, but that is half of what hdr is supposed to be. HDR is supposed to improve the ability to see small details by increasing contrast, and also make colours more vibrant. If you go outside, look at what the colours look like, they are vibrant, they're not washed out.
bodine1231
Member
Im having the same problem. Only way to make it stop is to set your resolution to YUV420. It seems to only happen in RGB when using HDR.
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
That means the TV is having a problem getting a handshake. Set your PS to 'auto' for color and make sure you are using a latest spec HDMI cable.
j0hnnix
Member
Did you do a factory reset? I received the update yesterday was thinking for starting from scratch.
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
Yes, I did. After that when playing around with DC, it does seem too intense. The Witness was a good test for this.
j0hnnix
Member
Thanks. Makes sense to do a clean reset after an update.
Darth Chief 117
Neo Member
Is there a similar thread for the ks7000? My PS4Pro tells me HDR isn't supported. I have HDR enabled on all the HDMI ports and the screen is displaying at 2160. My TV tells me an HDR video is playing when my Xbox One S starts up Resi etc but my PS4 Pro doesn't get the same message. I'm using the HDMI cable that the console came with and I can't imagine they'd supply it with one that doesn't support a HDR signal? This is driving me nuts as I'm usually great at this stuff.
j0hnnix
Member
I can confirm this, I reset to factory and it is insanely brighter now... Like whoa.. Eyes burning lol. I do get the Msg in game mode "Playing HDR", I am on HDMI 4 for the arc feature.. I am not sure if people get this msg still but need to adjust backlight to 20.. I keep mine at 20 always.
PodcastFips
Member
Is there a similar thread for the ks7000? My PS4Pro tells me HDR isn't supported. I have HDR enabled on all the HDMI ports and the screen is displaying at 2160. My TV tells me an HDR video is playing when my Xbox One S starts up Resi etc but my PS4 Pro doesn't get the same message. I'm using the HDMI cable that the console came with and I can't imagine they'd supply it with one that doesn't support a HDR signal? This is driving me nuts as I'm usually great at this stuff.
Do you have a PSVR by any chance? The breakout box is not capable of passing through HDR signal.
Darth Chief 117
Neo Member
Boom, you got it, awesome dude I'll switch that now and give it a go. What a farce but what a great call.
Yep that was it, good man, that was driving me nuts.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
I'm still baffled that Sony didn't think of including a breakout box that supports HDR or sell an add-on.
Is that really you? Try pausing at 2:12, then hitting right, then left on your keyboard over and over to see the loss of details when set to high. the rocks, your gloved hand. Reminds me of the people that liked the "pop" on xbox with the blacks crushed.
Darth Chief 117
Neo Member
I know, bit of a farce now changing that each time.
PodcastFips
Member
I downloaded the "Camp" demo from Sony in both HDR and SDR today and messed around with settings again. There, the negative impact of Dynamic Contrast is even more evident than in Horizon.
It does nothing but apply daylight to a dawn scene. High loss of detail and a picture that looks hilariously wrong in many aspects
It does nothing but apply daylight to a dawn scene. High loss of detail and a picture that looks hilariously wrong in many aspects
Rain City Gamer
Member
It's funny because when I heard this was an issue I wasn't as worried about it. Then I got my PSVR and a 4K TV and now I absolutely hate it haha I would probably play my PSVR more if I didn't have to always swap the cables. Such a major oversight by Sony. Hope they release an upgraded breakaway box in the future.
j0hnnix
Member
Wow.. So you have to remove it from the equation to get hdr to pass-through normally.
That's what we're talking about when we talk about the "deep blacks". The gamma is very deep, man. It's very nice.
No, it's not me.
Darth Chief 117
Neo Member
Yep, it's ridiculous really as if you have a tidy set up, cable tidies etc it's a bit of a nonsense.
j0hnnix
Member
Yup. That would bother me greatly.. Since I like hiding my cables and rerouting, out of sight out of mind, but yeah, that's crazy they didn't think of it. Hoping something gets announced one more thing to hold me off from getting it.
You rock. Thanks again.
I can assure you dynamic contrast crushes your blacks, so stuff that's dark is now too dark. That's what artificially boosting contrast does (PS I set up home theaters professionally). It absolutely murders details in the image, whether you notice it or not.
Now I understand that you might prefer that, and that's fine! But it's not "correct" in terms of black accuracy.