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Largest Leap Graphics in a Single Generation
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BigTnaples
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the Turok 1 -> 2 leap was pretty amazing imo
It's hard to find good screenshots though
turok 1
turok 2
Very true. This blew me away back in the day. 3 did some cool stuff but stretched the hardware too thin and suffered for it.
Also, kind of stretching the OP a bit but Perfect Dark was always the spiritual successor to Goldeneye. Right down to having the same weapons modes and maps available. So if that were to count at all, it would be a huge leap as well.
Ram pack for the win. "HD" mode in turok 2 and neccecity for PD.
Those are not even the real sprites man come on.
Super Mario Bros. -> Super Mario Bros. 3 if you say 2 isn't a real Mario game.
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pharmboy044
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Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2. They're such different games it's quite unbelievable to think that Uncharted 2 was made in less then 2 years.
MrCookiepants
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Surprised Halo: Reach to Halo 4 hasn't come up more in this thread.
I'm not sure if they've been said but,
Pokémon Diamond&Pearl -> Pokémon Black&White
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 -> Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (PS2)
SSX 1 -> SSX On Tour
Burnout 1 -> Burnout Revenge
Ratchet & Clank -> Ratchet Deadlocked
Prince of Persia Sands of Time -> Prince of Persia The Two Thornes
Graphical difference between those sequels amazed me. Especially Tony Hawk, since American Wasteland was the first TH game I bought after 4th game.
Pokémon Diamond&Pearl -> Pokémon Black&White
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 -> Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (PS2)
SSX 1 -> SSX On Tour
Burnout 1 -> Burnout Revenge
Ratchet & Clank -> Ratchet Deadlocked
Prince of Persia Sands of Time -> Prince of Persia The Two Thornes
Graphical difference between those sequels amazed me. Especially Tony Hawk, since American Wasteland was the first TH game I bought after 4th game.
Goldenroad
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Glad to see my first thread (despite the grammatical error in the subject line) is still going strong. I'll have to come up with a decent follow up one day.
Has anyone mentioned Darkness > Darkness 2 yet? I still think the first is a better game and there is a huge change in art style between the two, but Darkness 2 really harnesses the power of these consoles a lot more than the first one did.
Has anyone mentioned Darkness > Darkness 2 yet? I still think the first is a better game and there is a huge change in art style between the two, but Darkness 2 really harnesses the power of these consoles a lot more than the first one did.
Barrel Cannon
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Pandora Tomorrow to Chaos Theory easily wins this contest. Most insane leap in technology between two games in a single console generation. The fact that chaos Theory is even possible on the original xbox still boggles my mind. Chaos Theory was made a year after Pandora Tomorrow(granted the team that made was working on it since the first title which was 2 and a half years)
I honestly feel the Halo Reach to Halo 4 jump isn't that great. Halo 4 looks graphically impressive overall compared to reach but they sacrificed the absurd amount of High Res textures Reach was capable of and dialed the explosions/particles back by quite a bit to add more post processing effects.
Blood money to Absolution is a good one but it took many years to create that sequel.
Same with Oblivion to Skyrim. Amazing jump but many years since Oblivion. In that time they had many other games to improve their engine with.
Honorable Mentions go to TMNT 3(nes), GTA San Andreas, and Unreal Championship 2 which were all made on the same consoles as their previous titles but had huge leaps in tech and allowed much larger environments and more/better effects. The less compromises made between the sequels the better for me.
I honestly feel the Halo Reach to Halo 4 jump isn't that great. Halo 4 looks graphically impressive overall compared to reach but they sacrificed the absurd amount of High Res textures Reach was capable of and dialed the explosions/particles back by quite a bit to add more post processing effects.
Blood money to Absolution is a good one but it took many years to create that sequel.
Same with Oblivion to Skyrim. Amazing jump but many years since Oblivion. In that time they had many other games to improve their engine with.
Honorable Mentions go to TMNT 3(nes), GTA San Andreas, and Unreal Championship 2 which were all made on the same consoles as their previous titles but had huge leaps in tech and allowed much larger environments and more/better effects. The less compromises made between the sequels the better for me.
I'm not sure about the other titles, but I know the bolded ones probably haven't been said because they don't qualify.
Skipped the OP, I assume?
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WTF you must have posted the wrong pics or something. I just stared at the DOA5
one for the last 10 minutes and saw no water anywhere.
Horrible pic to prove your point, no straight male over the age of 12 is gonna bitch about reflective water shaders with that kind of godalmighty perfect, exquisite, bikini modeling going on.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
Tekken 2 -> Tekken 3
Consider the 7 year gap
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah I agree with Halo 4. It's gorgeous but a lot of things were sacrificed to get it there.
100% agree. I remember being blown away when I saw that game after 2.
but but the box clearly says it is a sequel. and yoshi story games came later anyways iirc.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I think Reach did more techincally but despite it Halo 4 looks better. Halo 4's texture filtering is complete shit though things like 3 inches infront of you are blurred as fuck. I swear if next generation forgoes anisotropic filtering which is dirt cheap in terms of processing power I'll be very disappointed.
Man for a while there I thought I was the only one who saw him in that screenshot.
Man for a while there I thought I was the only one who saw him in that screenshot.
Hey, where can I buy a pair of those rose-tinted specs with the built-in v-synch filter?
The screen tearing in Jak II was diabolical in places.
VF to VF2 on Saturn. (VF Remix was not a new game)
Uncharted to Uncharted 2.
Tekken 2 to Tekken 3.
Soul Edge/Blade to Soul Calibur (PS based arcade hardware, not talking about Dreamcast version)
I'd say Code Veronica to REMake but pre-rendered backgrounds are an apples/oranges comparison, and there are probably three other shitty RE spinoff games in between those releases that I don't even remember.
It is hard to come up with any UE3 based examples because the god awful texture blur in ruins all of them.
Uncharted to Uncharted 2.
Tekken 2 to Tekken 3.
Soul Edge/Blade to Soul Calibur (PS based arcade hardware, not talking about Dreamcast version)
I'd say Code Veronica to REMake but pre-rendered backgrounds are an apples/oranges comparison, and there are probably three other shitty RE spinoff games in between those releases that I don't even remember.
It is hard to come up with any UE3 based examples because the god awful texture blur in ruins all of them.
dummydecoy
Member
Just finished my replay of Infamous in preparation for Infamous 2, which I'm currently 5 minutes in, and my jaw is on the floor. That opening sequence... just WOW! It's GOW3 levels of awesome!!!
I hope it maintains this level of graphical fidelity and performance throughout the game.
Melchiah
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One of the best examples on the thread.
higherARC05
Banned
HALO Reach --> HALO 4
Full 720p Resolution
30fps 99% of the time unlike Reach
Way better lighting with instant global illumination updates
More polys on screen
Alot more post processing
Incredibly detailed character models
Environment texture detail way more complex
So much makes 4 way ahead of Reach. Going back to Reach shows how bland it really looks. Theres a reason 4 gets graphics of the year while Reach couldnt get nominated its time.
Full 720p Resolution
30fps 99% of the time unlike Reach
Way better lighting with instant global illumination updates
More polys on screen
Alot more post processing
Incredibly detailed character models
Environment texture detail way more complex
So much makes 4 way ahead of Reach. Going back to Reach shows how bland it really looks. Theres a reason 4 gets graphics of the year while Reach couldnt get nominated its time.
the Turok 1 -> 2 leap was pretty amazing imo
It's hard to find good screenshots though
turok 1
turok 2
Agree with this one. I had to do a double take and make sure it was an N64 game I was looking at. Well that was before I started moving and noticed the framerate was rather shit. =p Still looked great though.
Canis lupus
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Resistance 1 to Resistance 3, holy crap.
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Queen of Hunting
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does Far Cry - Crysis count ?
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
Not the same generation. When both are played on the Far Cry era hardware at playable frame rates, I'd say that Far Cry even looks better. Far Cry maxed out certainly looked better to me than Crysis on Medium on my old 8600GT (or was it 6600GT?).
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
The correct answer is the SNES.
From launch titles like F-Zero and Super Tennis to the rendered sprites and backgrounds of Donkey Kong Country the jump was incredible.
When DKC was first shown many thought it was running on the SNES' succesor. Then the platform was revealed and many didn't believe it the jump was so large.
From launch titles like F-Zero and Super Tennis to the rendered sprites and backgrounds of Donkey Kong Country the jump was incredible.
When DKC was first shown many thought it was running on the SNES' succesor. Then the platform was revealed and many didn't believe it the jump was so large.
WTF you must have posted the wrong pics or something. I just stared at the DOA5
one for the last 10 minutes and saw no water anywhere.
Horrible pic to prove your point, no straight male over the age of 12 is gonna bitch about reflective water shaders with that kind of godalmighty perfect, exquisite, bikini modeling going on.
Yeah. You're totally missing the point.
And when talking about big breasts, you certainly don't know who I am.
absolutely agree with this. I thought the jaggies and textures were so poor in DoA5 compared to DoA4, that It was distracting. I wouldn't even consider it the best looking fighter because of this even though they have the best character models because the stage detail sacrificed so much.
Melchiah
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R3 had more effects, but RFoM was 720p and had cleaner visuals with no aliasing (and that glass!), which is why I preferred its look to some extent. I personally wouldn't call it a leap.
I wonder what the big guy from Acclaim is doing these days.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Socom: Confrontation -> Socom 4
batman2million
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Uncharted 1 > 2
Halo 1 > 2
Turok 1 > 2 (whatever happened to Turok 3?)
Halo 1 > 2
Turok 1 > 2 (whatever happened to Turok 3?)
Thread needs more Street Fighter !
Dreamcast :
Super Street Fighter 2 X
Street fighter 3 New Generations
PS3/360
Super Street Fighter 2 HD Remix
Street Fighter 4
Edit : one more !
GBA :
Super Street Fighter 2 : Turbo Revival
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Upper
(holy shit it is impossible to find good quality images in non native resolution of those 2 games ><)
None of these really work. Dreamcast was the umpteenth system to have an SF2X port by that time - it's not really the same as Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 on Saturn because the game was like 5 years old by then. I wouldn't count it for the same reason I wouldn't count Capcom Classics Collection on PS2. I don't think HD Remix really works either because 1) By the logic of this post, SF3:3S is now available on the console which would invalidate it, 2) It's again a port of an old game, only with some new assets traced over the existing animation, and 3) it's a pretty obvious stylistic difference, though I'd say even SF2:WW looks better than HD Remix.
I think the GBA examples are acceptable, though, because that situation is closest to what's in the other posts in this thread.
My personal example would be SSF2 to Alpha 2 on SNES. The latter wasn't remotely a good port, but its graphics were pretty crazy for the console. Required some advanced graphics compression techniques I believe, which made emulation impossible for a good number of years.
http://www.mobygames.com/images/sho...-snes-screenshot-ryu-uses-his-new-flaming.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rL37ApbDF...SsFO27YHk_A/s1600/streetfighteralpha2snes.jpg
Both games look pretty good though.
Full 720p Resolution
Actually no.
It's full 720p but it sacrifices Reach's HDR, 720p is no magic number the difference between Reach's resolution and Halo 4 is miniscule and even less significant considering they sacrificed the lightning.
More polys on screen
It's about the same
Way better lighting with instant global illumination updates
Reach has way superior lighting engine, the HDR is superior and the lighting is deferred there are way more dynamic lightsources compared to Halo 4. Most of the lights in Halo 4 are actually just glows rather than actual lights, it's more aesthetically pleasing but certainly not superior. Also the GI solution is the same as it's still baked just like Halo 3 and Halo Reach.
Alot more post processing
Halo 4 is missing post processing effects from Reach like SSAO and motion blur (camera or and per object both !). It's also missing the particle effects seen in Reach also the alpha effects were full resolution in Reach, not in Halo 4.
Environment texture detail way more complex
Textures were superior in Reach and the environments were larger.
higherARC05
Banned
In no imaginable way was HDR reduced lol. The HDR in HALO 4 is superior to Reachs'. Reach barely had any noticable HDR going on. And going from Reachs' 1152x720 to HALO 4's 1280x720p with custom FXAA is a big update and improvement with 100,200 pixels more on screen.
As for polys it is noticeably increased. Just look at the warthog, spartans, marines, etc. Not only that but I dont need to post pics of the environments both inside and out of how they are way more complex in geometry than anything in Reach. Just look at that new map Wreckage and post one pic of Reach that looks anything close to that.
LOL Do you know anything about the engines that these games run on?
Again HALO 4 HDR is superior to Reach's. HALO 4 still uses deffered lighting as it is how it still employs dynamic lights for all plasma shots and more than Reach. Jackal sheilds cast light that was not in Reach. All Promethean weapons cast light on any surface they get near with while you hold them and the Promethean Knights cast light on themselves and anything around them from their glowing body parts. Also Reach had no dynamic shadows while HALO 4 uses them.
Post processing is still better in HALO 4. Yea Reach had HBAO and motion blur, but those things degraded the image quailty thus they were disabled. FXAA is a post processing that is gained from dropping those features and the right choice as Reach was one jaggy, blurry, grainy mess.
Just as you land on Requim you notice the ground is way more complex in texture detail than when you first set food in Reach. No need to post pics if you have the games you can see.
And again learn what you are talking about because Reach is using the same res for alphas as HALO 4 because it is too not at full resolution. Research my friend.
TUROK
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.As for polys it is noticeably increased. Just look at the warthog, spartans, marines, etc. Not only that but I dont need to post pics of the environments both inside and out of how they are way more complex in geometry than anything in Reach. Just look at that new map Wreckage and post one pic of Reach that looks anything close to that.
Also Reach had no dynamic shadows while HALO 4 uses them.
Wat.
Post processing is still better in HALO 4. Yea Reach had HBAO and motion blur, but those things degraded the image quailty thus they were disabled. FXAA is a post processing that is gained from dropping those features and the right choice as Reach was one jaggy, blurry, grainy mess.
Wat.
edible_candle
Member
I always thought Sonic Adventure 1 -> Sonic Adventure 2 was an impressive jump for Dreamcast. Not only did it look better, it ran at twice the framerate.
Infamous 1 would jump to 60 fps if you looked at a big empty space (like the ocean), but 95% of the time it ran at an unstable 30 fps. Not sure about Infamous 2, as I have not played it.
Infamous 1 would jump to 60 fps if you looked at a big empty space (like the ocean), but 95% of the time it ran at an unstable 30 fps. Not sure about Infamous 2, as I have not played it.
Synless
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It's been a long time since I played I2, but I believe it is also unlocked and runs at a variable framerate.
Turok 3 was released, but I think it was drowned out by the next gen talk since it launched in 2000.
Edit:
Totally forgot about SA2. I was blown away by how good it looked for a DC game at the time. Between SA2 and Shenmue 2, I thought the good ol' DC had enough performance to last at least another year. Sadly....that wasn't the case. =(
higherARC05
Banned
I just got Far Cry 3.
I have yet to play it but does it look like a huge leap from 2?
From what I've seen it looks like it.
I have yet to play it but does it look like a huge leap from 2?
From what I've seen it looks like it.
The amount of faux technical knowledge in this post is pretty high. Just from reading the first line it's obvious you don't know the difference between actual FP16 HDR and LDR with bloom.
And Reach did not use Horizon Based Ambient Occlusion, it was Screen Space.
Also I like how you put a bullshot of Halo 4 and compare it to an in game shot of Reach.
higherARC05
Banned
Ironic
Reach does not use FP16
Reach does not use screen space but HBAO
I did not use that pic that was turok you moron.
shinobi602
Member
Nothing that stands out.
When I play the game, there is nothing that stands out to me and says "man they had to sacrifice this and that in order to get area looking this good."
All I see is "Holy shit this looks better than any 360 game I've ever seen."
I'm glad to see you have resorted to name calling and being wrong at the same time. Perhaps you should troll a bit more subtly.
Post proof for both of your claims or your still just making stuff up.
A quick search already shows that Reach uses SSAO
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-haloreach-beta-analysis-blog-entry
higherARC05
Banned
Why don't you show me your sources cause I got mine all ready but i want to see where your lowly technical knowledge is based from.
lol sorry but that isn't showing its not HBAO.