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Leak: Ubisoft presentation on representation (cites Anita Sarkeesian's content agenda)

You are not asking for better, you are just asking to make videogames in a certain political way that makes you happy.

Actually, no. Liberals made everything political. They want it, they crave it, they practically enforce it on their developers. A gorgeous woman is politics, big breasts are politics. A white man protagonist is politics, a dudebro is politics. Police in a frickin superhero game is politics. Even when a game is not political, it's still political because being apolitical to them is factually standing against progressive activism and heavily supporting the racist sexist status quo. Kingdom Come: Deliverance had no nazifascist agenda and yet it was deemed the ultimate right-wing game because it had no agenda in it. KCD had the fatal flaw of being historically accurate and authentic, and yet it had a bigoted agenda. So what about Assassin's Creed and Battlefield?
 
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Maybe some men feel the same way about women as Sarkeesian feels about men.....

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Imagine being a man and worshiping this woman.
 
Who would guess that the company that just released a literal pay-to-win single player game this week isn't exactly very good for the industry?
 
People like her forget that they needed "male juice" to be born in the first place. Sorry to be harsh, but that's reality, all of us come from a man and a woman. I wonder what happened to her to make her so hateful.

"Power", Fame and Money. Wearing that necklace is like a stripper getting breast implants.
 
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Please stop this rediculous following of the SJW as youve upset the neckbeards.. instead please follow right wing facist homoerotic white male agenda

Thnx.
 
Please stop this rediculous following of the SJW as youve upset the neckbeards.. instead please follow right wing facist homoerotic white male agenda

Thnx.
How about following no one and instead make the game you want to make?

This black and white world view is disturbing to say the least.
 
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Back in the days, women had to fight to have the same rights as men. Like voting for elections. Having the right to terminate a pregnancy. In many countries, this is still not a reality. These are things worth fighting for.

People are actually just creating all this shit because they don't have anything more important/interesting to do.

Glad to see that Valkyria Chronicles 4 actually did not give a shit about this.

My sister is a journalist that produces a report for Australia based on information from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Its called the Women's Financial Index.

Did you know Australia taxes Tampons with a "luxury" tax. Like tampons aren't a fuckin necessity. Yet Viagra, is tax free. The amount of bullshit she has opened my eyes to is staggering that I never even knew were there. I have 6 neices and the way things are rigged against them annoys me.

In regards to games, what's the big deal at the moment? A bunch of females appear in games and forums start losing their fucking minds. "But muh geamz are ruined!"

What I can't stand is the extreme opposite where people wanting change expect the planet to drop what it's doing and immediately change without accepting that everything takes time. I can't stand Anita and I can't stand what the trans supremacists over at Resetera did to this forum, i was banned multiple times for expressing my opinion, at one time banned from a Nintendo conversation for saying they should go third party, another because I said a guy who injected life ending muscle faking oil into his pecs to look bigger but ended up growing tits "looked like a tranny" I think a lot of people are confusing Anita and Resetera for people who stand for women's rights or people who like games. They are just fuckwits straight up, I don't even know what side of the fence they are even on. Anita makes money from pulling tales from her ass and creating controversy.
 
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And that's only Australia. You have countries like India where women face some real problems. Rape was not even a crime there only a few years ago, and is still tolerated if done by the husband.

So I can't really take seriously topics such as "Oh my god the breast is jiggling in my murder simulator" when things like this are happening around the world.

People should try to look a little further than their own, egocentric little world.
 
And that's only Australia. You have countries like India where women face some real problems. Rape was not even a crime there only a few years ago, and is still tolerated if done by the husband.
And apparently it's still easy to get women thrown into mental institutions with simple accusations in India. =/
 
My sister is a journalist that produces a report for Australia based on information from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Its called the Women's Financial Index.

Did you know Australia taxes Tampons with a "luxury" tax. Like tampons aren't a fuckin necessity. Yet Viagra, is tax free.

If true, what would that prove? That Australian men in power are out to punish women for their womanhood? Or that Australian fiscal law bears absurdities no MP, male or female, has successfully managed to eradicate?

What is your point and how does it relate to gaming? Be clear.


The amount of bullshit she has opened my eyes to is staggering that I never even knew were there.

Give an example and state what it exemplifies.

have 6 neices and the way things are rigged against them annoys me.

Give an example and state what it alledgedly exemplifies.

In regards to games, what's the big deal at the moment? A bunch of females appear in games and forums start losing their fucking minds. "But muh geamz are ruined!"

First, you misrepresent the objections - which aren't even consensual, let alone monolithic - and then proceed to dismiss them in a caricatural way.

I think a lot of people are confusing Anita and Resetera for people who stand for women's rights

No.
People who you would describe as "lighting for women's rights" fall on a spectrum, not all of them looking to advance noble causes. At the moment the Anitas and the Reseterers of the western world are the primary adversaries one would be well-advised to focus on.
 
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And that's only Australia. You have countries like India where women face some real problems. Rape was not even a crime there only a few years ago, and is still tolerated if done by the husband.

So I can't really take seriously topics such as "Oh my god the breast is jiggling in my murder simulator" when things like this are happening around the world.

People should try to look a little further than their own, egocentric little world.
So why aren't Anita and her folks fighting for the rights of Indian women but instead collecting money to get rid of sexism in videogames? At least the former would be a worthwhile cause.
 
Did you know Australia taxes Tampons with a "luxury" tax. Like tampons aren't a fuckin necessity. Yet Viagra, is tax free. The amount of bullshit she has opened my eyes to is staggering that I never even knew were there. I have 6 neices and the way things are rigged against them annoys me.

Maybe also because one is a dysfunction (illness) and the other one is not? It has nothing to do with gender do not worry. And you may have never noticed this bullshit because it is wrong anyway. Like the gender wage gap. In fact women in their 20 yearn more than many in their 20. If there are still some holes it is because it is a sign of the past not the present or the future.

In regards to games, what's the big deal at the moment? A bunch of females appear in games and forums start losing their fucking minds. "But muh geamz are ruined!"
Who here even argues about this? I do not care if I play a women or men what I do care is bullshit agendas hammered into games. I care how Naughty dog hires an open racist and straightphobic trans activist even handpicked him. I do care how games journalism has become a true joke not even caring about the games but about the political aspect of it and if there is none they invent one like Waypoint and heir monster Hunter review which brought up Colonialism and Trumps Family.

As for the battlefield part. Almost no one would have complained if this was done actually well and not some steampunk like bullshit. And when the devs then even went against people complaining it went all bad.
 
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My sister is a journalist that produces a report for Australia based on information from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Its called the Women's Financial Index.

Did you know Australia taxes Tampons with a "luxury" tax. Like tampons aren't a fuckin necessity. Yet Viagra, is tax free. The amount of bullshit she has opened my eyes to is staggering that I never even knew were there. I have 6 neices and the way things are rigged against them annoys me.

There is no 'luxury tax' in Australia, what you're referring to is the GST, which is a sales tax applied to everything except a few broad categories such as basic food and medical supplies (hence the GST free status of Viagra). The tax on female sanitary products has actually just been lifted, though sadly, only as a political move by a floundering conservative party, not as a genuine reform. The tax remains on a lot of products that could be considered to be necessities, such as nappies, incontinence pants and toilet paper, however there's no angry lobbyists fighting for those items to become exempt.
 
The tax remains on a lot of products that could be considered to be necessities, such as nappies, incontinence pants and toilet paper, however there's no angry lobbyists fighting for those items to become exempt.
The Australian toilet paper equality movement is in a pathetic state.
 
Good Lord, I just saw this. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for inclusiveness and actually encourage it, but I want it be genuine and not being used simply for good PR and to pander to people.
 
So women wanting more representation in games bothers you guys a lot huh? What's wrong with having more actual minorities in games? It's not about shoe horning them in/pushing an agenda; it's about realizing other people play games too and there are many other stories that can be told.

I love the diverosty in characters and NPCs in games and hope it continues to show off the full spectrum of human civilzation. Why are you all against that? And what about Anita bothers you so much, she's just an internet celeb that has talked about her harassment and wants to see fairer representations of women in games. Just grow up for once and let go of your biases. This isn't a men-only club and I'm not sure why some of you want to keep it that way.
 
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This is literally one of the greatest non-videogame things I've ever seen directly from a video game company in years! It makes me want to purchase Ubisoft games even more now (they still have to be good first). It honestly looks like they care about humanity in a way that they don't actually have to do (in a profit-driven world).

Pretty much this!

I was waiting on a discount on AC Odyssey but I'm buying right now.
 
So women wanting more representation in games bothers you guys a lot huh? What's wrong with having more actual minorities in games? It's not about shoe horning them in/pushing an agenda; it's about realizing other people play games too and there are many other stories that can be told.

You all just sound like entitled pricks. I love the diverosty in characters and NPCs in games and hope it continues to show off the full spectrum of human civilzation. Why are you all against that? And what about Anita bothers you so much, she's just an internet celeb that has talked about her harassment and wants to see fairer representations of women in games. Just grow up for once and let go of your biases. This isn't a men-only club and I'm not sure why some of you want to keep it that way.

Nice disingenuous strawman, Composer. The only one who sounds like an "entitled prick" is you, mate.

You know full well the arguments people have, but instead of actually arguing them you decide to make one up to blanket the people here as some kind of deplorable group. It is time you learn how to debate like an adult instead of relying on such petty, juvenile, and outright false claims.
 
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So women wanting more representation in games bothers you guys a lot huh? What's wrong with having more actual minorities in games? It's not about shoe horning them in/pushing an agenda; it's about realizing other people play games too and there are many other stories that can be told.

You all just sound like entitled pricks. I love the diverosty in characters and NPCs in games and hope it continues to show off the full spectrum of human civilzation. Why are you all against that? And what about Anita bothers you so much, she's just an internet celeb that has talked about her harassment and wants to see fairer representations of women in games. Just grow up for once and let go of your biases. This isn't a men-only club and I'm not sure why some of you want to keep it that way.

To be honest with you I've yet to see any evidence of gender or race entitlement by any genuine person. I'm perfectly happy playing as Lara Croft or any gender, race, space marine or inanimate car. But if I'm sitting down to play a grounded WW2 game, I don't thing it outlandish to be wanting for an appropriate depiction of history. Extreme outlier cases do not translate to a 50/50 scenario on the battlefield despite what expectations the radical few may have. Play as the white straight dude when the setting calls for it, it won't hurt!

So I put it to your dear sir, it is you who is acting entitled pushing your blinkered agenda, an agenda likely engineered by internet trolls and religiously followed by the gullible like some cult.
 
So women wanting more representation in games bothers you guys a lot huh?

The concept of represenattion is fraudulent.

The notion, for example, that a female character is not just a fictional individual but instead the representative of millions and millions of real women, as though women were a homogenous group is patently absurd. It also justifies and leads to shallow, bland characters.

Because if that character is a representative of women at large, then any flaw would be an accusation that all women are flawed in a certain way. Flawless characters make for terrible fiction.


What's wrong with having more actual minorities in games?

There's nothing wrong.
But there's nothing particular laudable either.

It's not about shoe horning them in/pushing an agenda; it's about realizing other people play games too and there are many other stories that can be told.

Indeed.
Good stories are good stories. What makes a good one is not directly tied to whether the cast is diverse or not.

You all just sound like entitled pricks.

I do not agree.

I love the diverosty in characters and NPCs in games

So because you love diversity, so should everyone?
You were saying that "we" sound entitled, were you?

Why should anyone share your opinion, if it's just a personal opinion of yours, simply a matter of taste?

and hope it continues to show off the full spectrum of human civilzation. Why are you all against that? And what about Anita bothers you so much

Her inability to make a rational argument. Her persistent misrepresentation of the other side's position. The fact her ideas consistently lead to worse games.


, she's just an internet celeb that has talked about her harassment and wants to see fairer representations of women in games.

Represenattion is a fraud.

I want to see albino midgets represented in games. If women get it, so should albino midgets. Essentially, what is the diference between calling for more representation for women and for albino midgets?

Just grow up for once and let go of your biases.

Right back at you.

This isn't a men-only club and I'm not sure why some of you want to keep it that way.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, some men do want it to remain a men-only club. Do you have an objective argument why they shouldn't? Or is it just your opinion? If it's just your opinion, you have yours and they have theirs.

If it's not merely an opinion, please make the objective argument. I seriously doubt you have the capacity, but I'm all ears.
 
So I put it to your dear sir, it is you who is acting entitled pushing your blinkered agenda, an agenda likely engineered by internet trolls and religiously followed by the gullible like some cult.

Race & gender fetishism to the degree people count the number of different colored protagonists & genders in a video game is very weird behavior & at best is worthy of mockery. I mean who the f*ck would boast about counting racial & gender characters like a checklist in a cooking recipe? "Oh noes, this game is bad bad bad because I count fewer blacks & women than white guys".

This is absurd & pathetic. Affirmative action in a fictional world is asylum tier bullsh*t. Some people (hint Sarkeesian & her acolytes) need to see a doctor.
 
So women wanting more representation in games bothers you guys a lot huh? What's wrong with having more actual minorities in games? It's not about shoe horning them in/pushing an agenda; it's about realizing other people play games too and there are many other stories that can be told.

You all just sound like entitled pricks. I love the diverosty in characters and NPCs in games and hope it continues to show off the full spectrum of human civilzation. Why are you all against that? And what about Anita bothers you so much, she's just an internet celeb that has talked about her harassment and wants to see fairer representations of women in games. Just grow up for once and let go of your biases. This isn't a men-only club and I'm not sure why some of you want to keep it that way.
First of all no one cares about more diversity. It is totally fine to be more diverse. My problem start when you make it a political message, when you advertise your game with this.

Indy games are very very diverse and no one really complains about this because they are not making it a focus of the game. These diverse characters are just there. This is how you should do diversity.

As For Anita the scam artist and professional Victim. There was a time during her kickstarter Campaign when she opened her comments section. That was when the money did not flew in like crazy. Then she used these comments to ask for more money.Same with her other campaign if she sees that there is not enough money coming in she plays the victim role. Even more disgusting she lied, she stole other peoples content on Youtube which she then used to paint a complete different picture of the game (Hitman is the best example here) She self invited herself to Notch's party and posted then pictures saying how he supports her etc while later he said he did never invite her but she just came along and he normally does not want to do anything with her.

And Anita is the reason you can not have actual discussions about diversity anymore as well. She and so called games journalists was the one who created this very toxic atmosphere
 
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I love some of the quotes:
"Women don't count for 50% of game developers despite women being 50% of all gamers"

Yeah, because when males were called nerds all their life by those same women for playing games instead of doing something manly they also learned how to code and make games.

This needs to be updated every year:

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That's so accurate it's scary
 
it's accurate if you have never had women friends you played games with and are projecting that singular experience to the universal.

growing up, my best friend was a girl who had an Atari and all the retro systems. my next door neighbors were three girls, they had a NES, and i used to hang out and play with them all the time. a lot my 20s were spent playing retro emulator games with men and woman. i just hung out with a woman who is playing through Final Fantasy IV for the first time. none of these people have ever given me shit about games. so in my experience, everyone has had a great friendship with game playing women.

i think journalists flogging the "gamers are dead" stereotype really is an issue. but outside of the media-driven gamer hate that image is basically whining about the kind of internet comments that get thrown at everybody about every piece of media ever. now with a martyr fetish.

also lol @ that list starting in 1995. i've been gaming since the 80s. maybe this is a generational thing.
 
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it's accurate if you have never had women friends you played games with and are projecting that singular experience to the universal.

growing up, my best friend was a girl who had an Atari and all the retro systems. my next door neighbors were three girls, they had a NES, and i used to hang out and play with them all the time. a lot my 20s were spent playing retro emulator games with men and woman. i just hung out with a woman who is playing through Final Fantasy IV for the first time. none of these people have ever given me shit about games. so in my experience, everyone has had a great friendship with game playing women.

i think journalists flogging the "gamers are dead" stereotype really is an issue. but outside of the media-driven gamer hate that image is basically whining about the kind of internet comments that get thrown at everybody about every piece of media ever. now with a martyr fetish.

also lol @ that list starting in 1995. i've been gaming since the 80s. maybe this is a generational thing.
I guess the real question here is if you're willing to admit that your situation is/was rather the exception than the norm.
 
Welp Guess I will Cancel my Ass Creed Pre Order on Steam Too bad but there are tons of other games to play.

If you look at the female character in AC: Odyssey, you'll see Anita's impact already. All Anita has accomplished is ensuring that no curvy/large breasted women are allowed in games. All thicker/wider hipped women are again banned from entertainment media.

Wasn't too long ago (the 80's) that thicker/curvy women or women with big buts were considered fat and had very little to no representation in mainstream media.

Now, curvy/rubenesque women are again completely ostracized. Nice job Anita.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I don't remembering seeing a single large breasted woman or curvy/thicker woman in all of Greece in that game. How's that for accurate female representation.
 
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This just reinforces why certain companies like Nintendo are so great. They just make games that delight and entertain — with no bullshit.

Modern AAA gaming is circling the drain.
 
Why are games becoming so political. Developers have their heads so far up their ass and can't stop smelling their own farts.

We have been seeing this with E3 lately where all they talk about is connecting people and changing this and that and trying to make games sound like some sort of important cultural milestone that will change the world.

Remember back in the 90's when developers didn't give 2 fucks and made games like postal or MK or night trap. Where developers actually rebeled against the system rather than being part of it.

Just make fucking games and take your political views elsewhere.
 
Seing how the Ubisoft doctrine is now making apolitical games.
The original post must have fallen out of favor or wasn't a bit thing in the first place.

Ubisoft is a huge ass company that are everywhere, i wouldn't take what they say too seriously as it going to depend a lot on the sensibility of the Devs. The Canadians seems SJW because that what they are into, just as the swedes in Massive doesn't give two shit about making their game in DC, and Ubi Paris just made Breakpoint using the Clancy name without any shame lol.
 
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I love some of the quotes:
"Women don't count for 50% of game developers despite women being 50% of all gamers"

Yeah, because when males were called nerds all their life by those same women for playing games instead of doing something manly they also learned how to code and make games.

This needs to be updated every year:

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This is... honestly... kind of not far off.
 
I love some of the quotes:
"Women don't count for 50% of game developers despite women being 50% of all gamers"

Yeah, because when males were called nerds all their life by those same women for playing games instead of doing something manly they also learned how to code and make games.

This needs to be updated every year:

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1995 to 99 should be the shit posting of fanboys and laughing that SEGA is dead.

Ubisoft seems to be bowing to those who don't play their games because of potential profits I guess?

I hope bloodstained does well as it has a badarse female character who is also pretty sexy if you change her outfit.
 
it's accurate if you have never had women friends you played games with and are projecting that singular experience to the universal.

growing up, my best friend was a girl who had an Atari and all the retro systems. my next door neighbors were three girls, they had a NES, and i used to hang out and play with them all the time. a lot my 20s were spent playing retro emulator games with men and woman. i just hung out with a woman who is playing through Final Fantasy IV for the first time. none of these people have ever given me shit about games. so in my experience, everyone has had a great friendship with game playing women.

i think journalists flogging the "gamers are dead" stereotype really is an issue. but outside of the media-driven gamer hate that image is basically whining about the kind of internet comments that get thrown at everybody about every piece of media ever. now with a martyr fetish.

also lol @ that list starting in 1995. i've been gaming since the 80s. maybe this is a generational thing.

That's been my experience, too! Plus, I have several now grown women friends who game and have their own systems. One even went to E3 2013 when I went.

This trope of "girls never played games back in the day" is ... I think, really based on individual experiences. You can't say this was every girl in the 80s and 90s because you didn't know every girl in back then, much less the majority.
 
If you look at the female character in AC: Odyssey, you'll see Anita's impact already. All Anita has accomplished is ensuring that no curvy/large breasted women are allowed in games. All thicker/wider hipped women are again banned from entertainment media.

Wasn't too long ago (the 80's) that thicker/curvy women or women with big buts were considered fat and had very little to no representation in mainstream media.

Now, curvy/rubenesque women are again completely ostracized. Nice job Anita.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I don't remembering seeing a single large breasted woman or curvy/thicker woman in all of Greece in that game. How's that for accurate female representation.

So that's why Origins don't have problem with female body:

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Snk has more diversity since the early days of the NeoGeo than most of the compagnies, including Ubisoft.

As a video game player who turns out to be a gay male in real life, i play King of Fighters since 1994 because the games are "the best of the best". Not because of the heavy sexualisation, it's something i'm ok with, i enjoy it, i think it's both cool and/or funny but not my main interest.

I don't play Ubi, not because of the sexualisation, but because i'm not the target for their games at all (even let's dance is a no thx).

If unlike SNK, Ubi has to make it big, to call the press or to leak docs to communicate they are including more gays or women inside their games, it shows how Ubi has a huge problem with anyone that is not a white straitght male under 35 and adding more differents genres is not going to solve it. To me, it's tied with Ubi's culture and management and how they make their games. Again, a problem SNK does not have.

I'm so glad i'm not working at Ubi. I feel so sorry for the gays working with them.
 
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That's been my experience, too! Plus, I have several now grown women friends who game and have their own systems. One even went to E3 2013 when I went.

This trope of "girls never played games back in the day" is ... I think, really based on individual experiences. You can't say this was every girl in the 80s and 90s because you didn't know every girl in back then, much less the majority.

I knew a girl that used to draw Street Fighter characters in school. She was my age and she was big into SF and other games. Another one really liled Sonic and other platformers. I always knew girls who played games and my wife was also big into Mega Drive in the early 90's. This whole thing about girls onlu playing games after the 2000's is a fucking fallacy.
 
Snk has more diversity since the early days of the NeoGeo than most of the compagnies, including Ubisoft.

As a video game player who turns out to be a gay male in real life, i play King of Fighters since 1994 because the games are "the best of the best". Not because of the heavy sexualisation, it's something i'm ok with, i enjoy it, i think it's both cool and/or funny but not my main interest.

I don't play Ubi, not because of the sexualisation, but because i'm not the target for their games at all (even let's dance is a no thx).

If unlike SNK, Ubi has to make it big, to call the press or to leak docs to communicate they are including more gays or women inside their games, it shows how Ubi has a huge problem with anyo.e that is not a white straitght male under 35 and adding more differents genres is not going to solve it. To me, it's tied in Ubi's culture and management and how they make their games. Again, a problem SNK does not have.

I'm so glad i'm not working at Ubi. I feel so sorry for the gays working with them.
Great comment. KOF is life. SNK is awesome in this regard
 
Its not that Ubisoft think Anita is right. Anita performed a role that over time the giants of industry had already pre-agreed to uphold the values parroted by Anita. In a sense Anita was a mouth piece for their perceived inevitability.

Anita performs the same role as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in politics,
 
It's like that freckled fuck Bill Burr was saying about female comedians, get out there and make some great games with great female leads if you feel like women aren't represented enough. No one is stopping women from doing this. There's nothing wrong with having male characters and male stories, why should they be reduced or not told, just to allow for some bogus 50/50 quota? Just go make some female lead games as well! If they're good games, No one will care what sex the lead is. People have shat on subpar male lead games for years lol. It's so stupid.

Here's a tip, if you ever read these articles or outrage stories and it kinda hurts your brain because it sounds just so ridiculous, then you are a normal, well functioning human being. Carry on with your life, love your partner, family and friends (regardless of what sex they are) be kind to each other and enjoy your games.
 
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