MistakenMobius
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Could all those people be the next generation of Neo-Con like the Trotskist of the 70's turned out?
This is a huge part of it. Everyone someone on the left protests or criticizes or disagrees, it's greeted by cries of "free speech! Censorship!"Hippies wanted to get off the grid. SJWs use the grid for maximum surveillance.
I agreedNo lies detected.
The censorship is getting ridiculous.
The causes I fight for mean too much for me to go "but".
When did freedom of speech mean no more critique?
Am I the only one raising an eyebrow at him apparently putting "intersectionality" on the list of bad SJ concepts?
How much are people who make these complaints actually involved I real life activism? I suppose if you spend your time tweeting for a better world this is the shit you might see (though I rarely do). But in my actual real world activism I've only ever met one person who even approached the "tumblr sjw" stereotype, and she just had silly opinions and a weird fixation on tiny specific language - no outrageous screaming or being "shrill" (which is always targeted at women btw).
No, for the most part the groups I've been involved in always try as hard as possible to be welcoming and thrive on open debate with people who disagree. And yes, I was on a college campus. The shit discussed in articles like this is wildly overblown outrage used to discredit the left.
Trigger warnings? Fuck I'm getting old.
I do feel too that this concept has been taken overboard. If you are a person that reacts to certain things in the way I mentioned above, then the solution is not to change public places. The solution is for you to seek professional help. Because if you really can't cope with certain words, images, or thoughts, then you are not equipped to live a normal life and need help. Trying to change public places like universities is rather contra-productive, because a university can be a good and safe place to actually put yourself out there again.
Some young people today have an extreme intolerance to discomfort of any kind and instead of understanding this may at times be unreasonable and making an effort to overcome it, they try to force the rest of the world into their comfort zone. It's really a selfcentered and not sustainable attitude that can only exist in bubbles.
Same goes with some of their opinions, which they hold as untouchable dogmas to the point they complete dismiss any possible debate and instead combat any opposing ideas with censorship, screams and insulting labels.
I wonder what will happen when they fully become functioning adults and have to deal on their own with the variety, complexity and rudeness of real life or start acquiring positions of power.
As an old leftist it's sad to see the young supposed left use the same tactics of censorship, lies, false outrage and silencing the authoritarian right-wing dictatorships thrived in not long ago, something these young generations haven't experienced. I guess it's all part of the cycle and, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to see history repeat itself soon.
Why in the world is it your business what his personal preference is for names?
Re-quote my post and show me where I said he wasn't "allowed" to like whatever names he wants.
You can't? Okay. Thank you for incorrectly speaking for the man or woman I was engaging in a conversation with.
I said it seemed weird. I was hoping he or she would enlighten me to his or her dislike.
Thank you for interrupting with your absurd non-sequitur comment.
I asked a question because it seems weird to dislike "black names."Why in the world is it your business what his personal preference is for names?
It wasn't a non-sequitur. It was a sarcastic remark directly related to the point.You talked about how weird it was that he didn't like certain names and then threw in a nice non-sequitur of your own with your snarky comment about everyone should just conform and be named Adam. You were actually looking for any kind of conversation or enlightenment. You had already made your judgment.
This is kinda his point. If the statement after "but" is about the concern that important values, like free-thinking and skepticism, are being thrown under the bus in the name of another cause, then—leaving aside whether the concern is warranted or not—I don't see this cannot be a valid point.
It's basically the difference between a the-end-justifies-the-means on the one hand and a value-based position that does not want to compromise on certain basic values on the other hand. Taking the latter stance does not mean that the part before the "but" was just throat clearing.
Not to speak to the other points, but being against "black" names is weird. They're just words. All names are just words. All names are just made up. It's odd that you'd specifically "be against" "black names." I suppose everyone should just conform and be "Adam."
Some young people today have an extreme intolerance to discomfort of any kind and instead of understanding this may at times be unreasonable and making an effort to overcome it, they try to force the rest of the world into their comfort zone. It's really a selfcentered and not sustainable attitude that can only exist in bubbles.
Same goes with some of their opinions, which they hold as untouchable dogmas to the point they complete dismiss any possible debate and instead combat any opposing ideas with censorship, screams and insulting labels.
I wonder what will happen when they fully become functioning adults and have to deal on their own with the variety, complexity and rudeness of real life or start acquiring positions of power.
As an old leftist it's sad to see the young supposed left use the same tactics of censorship, lies, false outrage and silencing the authoritarian right-wing dictatorships thrived in not long ago, something these young generations haven't experienced. I guess it's all part of the cycle and, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to see history repeat itself soon.
As an old leftist it's sad to see the young supposed left use the same tactics of censorship, lies, false outrage and silencing the authoritarian right-wing dictatorships thrived in not long ago, something these young generations haven't experienced. I guess it's all part of the cycle and, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to see history repeat itself soon.
How much are people who make these complaints actually involved I real life activism? I suppose if you spend your time tweeting for a better world this is the shit you might see (though I rarely do). But in my actual real world activism I've only ever met one person who even approached the "tumblr sjw" stereotype, and she just had silly opinions and a weird fixation on tiny specific language - no outrageous screaming or being "shrill" (which is always targeted at women btw).
No, for the most part the groups I've been involved in always try as hard as possible to be welcoming and thrive on open debate with people who disagree. And yes, I was on a college campus. The shit discussed in articles like this is wildly overblown outrage used to discredit the left.
This is a huge part of it. Everyone someone on the left protests or criticizes or disagrees, it's greeted by cries of "free speech! Censorship!"
I think this all depends on where you are and where you live. It's not the same kind of crowd everywhere. It takes more than one hand to count the "stereotyped" SJWs out of all the people I know. Nice people, but misguided. More harm than help. I don't think it's entirely fair to dismiss this like it's overblown outrage meant to discredit the left. Just a dose of reality that the entirety of the "left" may not all be on the same page.
I would add that confrontation is always part of therapy at some point. Avoidance is not a desired permanent state. In this sense a class room is even a pretty good setting for confrontation. And if you really cannot handle that than you need do seek improvement before you are able to study. That might sound harsh, but it's also a simple fact. When you are not able to engage with the entirety of your study material, then you are not equipped to live a normal life and need further professional help with that.
As an old leftist it's sad to see the young supposed left use the same tactics of censorship, lies, false outrage and silencing the authoritarian right-wing dictatorships thrived in not long ago, something these young generations haven't experienced. I guess it's all part of the cycle and, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to see history repeat itself soon.
How is culture appropriation trivial?
Like a lot of the examples in this thread: it's trivial because it doesn't happen to them on the regular. It's not immediately impacting them.
On the other hand, if he thinks that Sommers is an ideal feminist, that puts a lot of context behind his complaint about intersectionality.
My business partner (giant liberal and Sanders Supporter) calls these people the Regressive Left.
They are basically and extremist offshoot of the legitimate Social Justice Movement that believes that Freedom of Speech should only exist if you follow their rules for it. They are those that fight for censorship so they cannot be "offended". So, to them, their right to not be offended trumps your right to free speech.
Couple of other Regressive Left "features"
-If the regressive left had their way it would be against the law to have what they deem "Incorrect Opinions".
-They fight to remove injustice by silencing everyone but themselves.
-They call for racial segregation (basically the removal of whites from certain places)
-They are the ones who perverted the idea of Trigger Warnings and have turned it into "Im offended you must stop talking (or doing thing)".
- They believe only white people can be racist
- They attach onto stuff like BLM and slowly pervert the groups original goals into their own (these are the people who end up in the news doing all the extremist shit that makes some Social Justice Movements look bad to the general population).
- I doesn't matter what your political affiliation, if you don't follow their exact guidelines they will cast you OUT and belittle you. They are quick to turn on the hate speech to the extremes seen in the OP.
What the Regressive Left isn't:
- an accurate description of legit Social Justice Movement Supporters.
- a Majority (the regressive left is a vocal minority of people who support Social Justice)
Basically the Regressive left is like a Liberal Tea Party but with members of all races that have extreme senses of entitlement. They are also generally disenfranchised Millennials with guilt and persecution complexes.
You get around much? If it's a thing, there are definitely plenty of examples out there. The Regressive Left is very real.I've honestly never met this kind of person before. But I'm sure it will be the popular caricature of the left in the months, and years to come. Much like how all feminists got labeled as "man-haters".
Trigger warnings have an actual purpose, yet it has been co-opted as a method to ignore just about anything that is ever even slightly disagreeable with someone.
Anecdotally, I know people like this. Who watching a show, sees something pop up that she doesn't agree with, closes her eyes, throws one hand over them, the other hand out like she's trying to push it away, and yells (not says, YELLS), "TRIGGERED".
Not ironically. Actually meaning it. We have to stop whatever we're watching. It was fucking Adventure Time.
We can't watch Adventure Time without someone being "triggered".
It has gone too far.
This article directly refers to a "small tent within the left" so it'd be nice if we can move the conversation past treating it like an uncharitable exaggeration of liberals in geneeal. These types of activists are real, they're not common, and they're very loud and influential when they do show up.
These people have ruined something used for people who suffer from PTSD like rap victims and veterans. Absolutely sickening.
No they haven't. Idiots who made fun of the concept ruined it.These people have ruined something used for people who suffer from PTSD like rap victims and veterans. Absolutely sickening.
I've honestly never met this kind of person before. But I'm sure it will be the popular caricature of the left in the months, and years to come. Much like how all feminists got labeled as "man-haters".
I need examples.
People keep calling some "SJWs" fascist.
What do these SJW fascists not want you to be able to do that you want to be able to do specifically?
I need examples.
People keep calling some "SJWs" fascist.
What do these SJW fascists not want you to be able to do that you want to be able to do specifically?
I genuinely cared about these causesstill do, he wrote, referencing everything from anti-racism to LGBT rights to reproductive health. I believed I was doing something noble. At the same time, he added, a large part of me was not quite in agreement with some of the views and concepts espoused by social-justice groups. Their pro-censorship tendencies, fixation with intersectionality, and constant uproar over seemingly trivial and innocuous matters like cultural appropriation and microaggressions went against my civil-libertarian sensibilities.
As a former muslim from a muslim country, I've found that these conversations come up quite often when I try to be critical of the religion's values. The right wing are bigoted towards muslims, so the position of some leftists is that they must be against anything the right is for, thus criticism of islam must be avoided lest one gets lumped in with the right wing. This gets a bit cognitively dissonant when the problematic views islam/certain islamic countries have towards LGBT people, women, apostates (affected me personally) and more come into the conversation. In the western world islam is oppressed, but where I used to live islam is the oppressor in many cases, so this difference in perspective causes issues. And people from the western world without my perspective can be quite dismissive of my views because of all this.
I fall into the same age group as these guys but the concept itself is extremely stupid and kind of a cop-out. It's essentially another way to avoid being reminded of harsh truths if they disturb your comfort level.Trigger warnings? Fuck I'm getting old.
They are not fascist. Fascism has nothing to do with them. They are leftist authoritarians. Imagine the policies of modern North Korea or China during the Cultural Revolution. Authoritarian leftists are the ones who desire those methods to control the public discourse.
-They call for racial segregation (basically the removal of whites from certain places)
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen a "leftist" of any stripe defend the values of Islam and the way it treats women and LGBTQ people as "acceptable" (although of course I'm open to being proven wrong). What I do see is people who reject using those issues as a prop for xenophobia, jingoism, and warmongering. "Islam treats women poorly and that needs to change" and "but we shouldn't be turning all refugees away at the border" are not two dissonant positions
If all it took for you to be disillusioned from progressivism is trigger warnings, then you never cared about social justice, or progressivism.
Fuckouttahere.
This specific point is something that I see tossed around that I think people actually ignore what the left is sayimg about this. We had a thread on gaf about Australian Aboriginee people having their own computer lab on a university campus and people who agreed with it were being accused of "calling for segregation.
When I read posts like yours that reduce issues to points like this it reminds me why I find people calling out the regressive left hypocritical. This spelcific point alone is such a misconstruction of the actual point many people were making.
It reads exactly like the dismissive shit people are calling out.
I dont believe in regressive left, I believe there are people mature enough to have a conversation and people that simply cant and its independent of age or liberal vs conservative sway.
On Twitter, he wrote, I discussed how trigger warnings have almost been rendered useless now that theyre used to alert individuals when talking about normal everyday things, like food, cars and animals. And that their use could potentially have adverse effects on academic freedom. I was accused of being outrageously insensitive and apparently made three activist cohorts have traumatic breakdowns.