Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild: Possible Timeline Convergence? What I know!

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I do not think there's a convergence at all tbh. I mean if we're going to use references as evidence for this, there's a lot more weight carried by games like Triforce Heroes and Spirit Tracks that have references to the entire series in them as well. That isn't to say it's without merit, but rather you shouldn't look to it as something to suggest the timelines are converging.

I know a bit about the Zelda timeline myself, and I've more or less done this off and on for years, but...here's what I get from what we know about Breath of the Wild.


  • The Master Sword's location - The only eras this could possibly take place in according to the Master Sword is sometime after Skyward Sword (but before Ocarina of Time and possibly even The Minish Cap), after A Link to the Past, or after Twilight Princess (and by proxy, after Four Swords Adventure).
  • Koroks - This suggests some continuity with the Adult Timeline aka the Wind Waker timeline, however keep in mind that when Link and Tetra found a new land the Koroks were never seen again. Also, the Temple of Time AND the Master Sword as well as Hyrule itself is not in ruins, but rather it's buried deep under the sea never to be seen again. Ganon is also under the sea in the Wind Waker sealed by the Master Sword, with Malladus taking his place as the new Demon King as we see in Spirit Tracks.
  • The Goddess Hylia - The only known point that we know of that people actively have knowledge of the Goddess Hylia was in the Skyward Sword era. However it's possible in a time unaffected by a large excess of evil to be able to keep a tradition such as Hylia alive, and neither the Downfall or the Adult Timeline really provide an oppurtunity for that to happen. Hell, in the Adult Timeline, the people of the Earth forgot the Triforce even existed!
  • Landscape - While barren, there is defiinately signs of a previous ancient civilization that was highly technologically advanced. Even more-so than the ancient civilization the Robots were from in Skyward Sword. No game to date has displayed this level of technology, which suggests that this game MUST take place in a timeline where propsperity was strong enough to flourish AND allow the Temple of Time, the Master Sword, and Ganon to still exist at the same time. There is only one timeline for that...
The Child Timeline.

Now, this wouldn't be placed in no ordinary position, but let's look at it his way.

The Wind Waker was supposed to take place near 1000 years after Ocarina of Time. Twilight Princess is more along the lines of 100 years, and Four Swords Adventure probably takes place after another 100 years as well. And then you have the Downfall Timeline, which by and large between their games is likely at least 100 or a couple hundred years. So what would happen in the Child Timeline, if left alone by evil forces for nearly a millennium? Ganon was sealed inside the Four Sword itself, leaving the kingdom available to be at peace for a fairly long time. Kokiri stilled evolved into Koroks (like they did in Wind Waker), however instead of a new culture created by the sea, it was instead a culture based on technology.

Without Ganon, technology flourished. Hell, we already seen a bit of this in Twilight Princess itself, which had a pretty good era of peace in between it and Ocarina of Time.

My theory is this, more or less: Breath of the Wild is to the Child Timeline what the original Legend of Zelda was to the Downfall Timeline and what The Wind Waker was to the Adult Timeline. All three games take place in post-apocalyptic worlds of sorts, but due to different circumstances (LoZ: Terrorized by Ganon for centuries. BotW: Great civilization fallen by Calamity Ganon. TWW: Hyrule flooded to destroy Ganon.) yielding different results. All three games are fairly open-ended as well, allowing you to pretty much explore the world as you please even though it takes a little bit before you get to do that in Wind Waker.
 
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Maybe this can give some hit.

Okay, I've figured out a few more characters, so here's an update to the Zelda U Hylian alphabet cipher:


Figured out C, K, and M. J, Q, V, and X are the only ones left but I'm pretty sure I know what V is.


The towers dotted around Hyrule say SHEAKTOWER. Sheak = sheikah, obviously.


The tub that Link wakes up in at the start of the game. The only letters that weren't too blurry to read were NITCARE. I'm pretty sure it's repeating characters that probably spell out CARE UNIT.

Update:


This gyroscope mechanism has GYROS written on it.
 
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Convergence makes sense.

I was connecting the game to almost all of the different timelines, so this makes sense that they all connect.

But who knows?
 
Jun 26, 2014
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Citation needed.

Do they actually say that in the game?
A quote from the Great Deku Tree in WW:

"Forests hold great power: they can change one tiny island into a much larger island. Soon, a day will come when all the islands are one, connected by earth and grove. And the people who live on that great island will be able to join hands and, together, create a better world. Such is my dream."
Taken from this page: http://zeldawiki.org/Korok
 
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  • Koroks - This suggests some continuity with the Adult Timeline aka the Wind Waker timeline, however keep in mind that when Link and Tetra found a new land the Koroks were never seen again. Also, the Temple of Time AND the Master Sword as well as Hyrule itself is not in ruins, but rather it's buried deep under the sea never to be seen again. Ganon is also under the sea in the Wind Waker sealed by the Master Sword, with Malladus taking his place as the new Demon King as we see in Spirit Tracks.
A very interesting theory, but I'm going to contest this point here. I maintain that the Koroks only exist in the WW timeline because of the great flood.

The Great Deku Tree in that game says: "Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks took on human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes."

This infers that they only evolve into what they are because of the sea. I don't see this happening in either of the other two timelines.

But even so, things like the Temple of Time should have been destroyed.
This is very possible, but given the Temple of Time's vast importance to the story and lore of the games (it holds an entrance to the Sacred Realm, for instance), it's possible that this is the reason it was mostly spared from the destruction of the flood.

It's also possible that it's just a new Temple of Time.
 
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Koroks and "Salt rocks" are a strong bound to Wind Waker. Thus I think is definitely something like a thousand years after WW. "Ancient Hyrule" is not covered by the ocean anymore and the rest of the land could simply be the new parts of the continent discovered at the end of Phantom Hourglass. There's been a war for sure, or at least the need to build some guardians. I think they were built to keep Ganon away from something and they still react against whoever holds a fragment of the Triforce (and for this reason they attack Link whenever he goes too close). They appear to be made by the same people who used technology in this modern Hyrule (the Sheikah), so I don't absolutely think they come from Ganon. And it would be a very smart choice to build a Guardian "against" the holders of the Triforce. The Triforce itself is the reason why the kingdom of Hyrule has seen so many wars. The best way to protect the land could be letting the people forget about the Triforce and keeping away Link (sleeping) and Ganon. Zelda could be still sleeping too, or she's in the castle. Or she's just another sheikah and there's no royal family anymore, only the old castle. In BotW Ganon comes back in some form, so it's time to Link to wake up.

(Wonder if in the game you can choose your name, since voice acting actually calls Link..."Link").

Crazy option 2: It's the same Link of Skyward Sword and that's why he's right-handed. Calamity Ganon is the first reincarnation of Demise, etc. etc.
 
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Zelda timeline theories are ridiculous.

I'm sure some Zelda games are directly related to each other, but I refuse to believe there's a greater connectivity across all of the games.
Well the timeline is canon (by Nintendo itself) so there's really no denying it's there. But even without it, there's definitely quite a lot of games that are DIRECTLY connected to each other. Just to list all the games that legitimately share the same Link.

Legend of Zelda -> Adventure of Link
A Link to the Past -> Oracle series -> Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time -> Majora's Mask
The Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourgless
A Link Between Worlds -> Triforce Heroes

And then there's the sequels/prequels. A Link to the Past was originally a prequel to Legend of Zelda. Then Ocarina of Time was a prequel to A Link to the Past. Then Skyward Sword was a prequel to Ocarina of Time! And then there's Spirit Tracks, which is a direct sequel to Phantom Hourgless. Twilight Princess AND The Wind Waker were both sequels to Ocarina of Time, stated directly in their respective game storylines, though taking drastically diferent paths.
 
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Which timeline does everyone want this to be a continuation of?
IMO they ruined the timelines by tieing in non-console games. I was joking in the other thread about time travel from the future, but it's half serious. Convergence could give the series a way to escape from how convoluted the story has gotten and allow them to take the series in new directions. I know they originally were going to include futuristic elements in Zelda. This game is such a reference to early Zelda that they may just be going full circle and tieing that in.
 
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I didn't realize, but pretty much all the Koroks we've seen in BotW are striking resemblances to the ones we find in WW.

In addition to the two already posted...


Olivio


Hollo
Do these guys live forever? It's not a happy coincidence at this point.
 
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A very interesting theory, but I'm going to contest this point here. I maintain that the Koroks only exist in the WW timeline because of the great flood.

The Great Deku Tree in that game says: "Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks took on human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes."

This infers that they only evolve into what they are because of the sea. I don't see this happening in either of the other two timelines.
Still the existence of the Master Sword, the Temple of Time, and Ganon really contradicts it being in the Adult Timeline. That's literally three major plotholes right there that would drive NIntendo nuts trying to cover if they were to ever fill that gap. Though I'm not opposed to the idea of a convergence (actually, makes things a lot smoother) I just don't see much evidence for it.
 
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Zelda timeline theories are ridiculous.

I'm sure some Zelda games are directly related to each other, but I refuse to believe there's a greater connectivity across all of the games.
Nintendo themself akwoledged different time lines and even published them in their different artbooks you know.

It's not just some theories made up by fans.
http://zeldawiki.org/Zelda_Timeline
 
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I think the more likely explanation is that just in the creative process of breaking from Zelda conventions one would naturally look back at things done in previous games to see if they can be successfully brought back into the new context. They were obviously considering a lot of new aspects of game design for Zelda, and the other side of that process is considering the things that you can keep or bring back and have it still work or be novel.
 
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If it is a timeline convergence I hope they do some explaining, I mean the Koroks are exclusive to the Wind Waker timeline.
I think it might just be the WW timeline.
That or it's a reboot of the timeline.
 
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If Link is a previous Link, he's probably Skyward Sword Link, considering he's right handed, and SS Link is the only canonically right-handed Link (for good reason in Skyward Sword, but for seemingly no reason in BotW...)

It would be cool to have the "final" story in the Zelda timline star the very first Link.
 
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IMO they ruined the timelines by tieing in non-console games. I was joking in the other thread about time travel from the future, but it's half serious. Convergence could give the series a way to escape from how convoluted the story has gotten and allow them to take the series in new directions. I know they originally were going to include futuristic elements in Zelda. This game is such a reference to early Zelda that they may just be going full circle and tieing that in.
Kinda had to given that one of the handheld games is a direct sequel to a console game lol

IMO, if there is a timeline reunification, you're either gonna need time travel and world hopping. Timelines don't just come back together themselves, that'd make literally zero sense.
 
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Still the existence of the Master Sword, the Temple of Time, and Ganon really contradicts it being in the Adult Timeline. That's literally three major plotholes right there that would drive NIntendo nuts trying to cover if they were to ever fill that gap. Though I'm not opposed to the idea of a convergence (actually, makes things a lot smoother) I just don't see much evidence for it.
when was the Temple of Time destroyed on the adult timeline? its remains could have endured like Twilight Princess when it was abandoned.

true that the Master Sword and Ganon dont make much sense, and i thought Ganon was done for good in that timeline, but Ganon being sealed on the Four Sword is a plot they wont touch either, after thousands of years something could happen to the Master Sword that was sealing Ganon, now that we know he is the reincarnation of an ancient demon king there could be ways to come back
edit: i noticed i said Ganon too many times :p
 

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With the inclusion of the boboklins and koroks I can somewhat safely assume that this is in the Wind Waker timeline at the very least.

Since we had some OoT buildings in WW, I'd be willing to suspect that it could be the strongest base. But the idea that it's converging is a really cool idea.
 
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when was the Temple of Time destroyed on the adult timeline? its remains could have endured like Twilight Princess when it was abandoned.

true that the Master Sword and Ganon dont make much sense, and i thought Ganon was done for good in that timeline, but Ganon being sealed on the Four Sword is a plot they wont touch either, and thousands of years something could happen to the Master Sword that was sealing Ganon, now that we know he is the reincarnation of an ancient demon king there could be ways to come back
Temple of Time is buried under the sea with the rest of Hyrule.
 
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I didn't realize, but pretty much all the Koroks we've seen in BotW are striking resemblances to the ones we find in WW.

In addition to the two already posted...

Do these guys live forever? It's not a happy coincidence at this point.
Well...no, actually. Kinda. Basically, the Kokiri stay kids forever, but over time, the Kokiri became Koroks. But since they became Tree people, trees live longer lives.


Personally, I think this is pre-Wind Waker after looking at that game's intro and thinking about it a bit.
 
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OK so, my crazy theory is that this takes place in between PH and ST, "The Era of Rebirth". ST is too civilized for it to be before this game. Unless something happened to send Hyrule back into the stone age. And the logo has that flower on it and the letters are all beat up, like they've been under water for a long time maybe? So that would fit with the rebirth theme. And Link is being resurrected after sleeping for 100 years too. More rebirth. And Link is coming out of some water, so maybe something happened to WW/PH Link to be put to sleep like that? He also wears a similar shirt. Maybe that Link is wearing it, because he wore one like that before?

Also, Ganon could be like Galactus and exists in all timelines and is crossing over through the Twilight Realm. That would explain the Twilight portal in the sky and why they have Wolf Link coming out of a Twilight portal too.
 
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It's about time

Really looking forward to the strong ties to other games since it's generally been hints and nods before. If this is post Wind Waker, then that's perfect.

And it seems to take after WW in terms of enemy design, visuals and true sense of love and care put into the game
 
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OK so, my crazy theory is that this takes place in between PH and ST, "The Era of Rebirth". ST is too civilized for it to be before this game. Unless something happened to send Hyrule back into the stone age. And the logo has that flower on it and the letters are all beat up, like they've been under water for a long time maybe? So that would fit with the rebirth theme. And Link is being resurrected after sleeping for 100 years too. More rebirth. And Link is coming out of some water, so maybe something happened to WW/PH Link to be put to sleep like that? He also wears a similar shirt. Maybe that Link is wearing it, because he wore one like that before?

Also, Ganon could be like Galactus and exists in all timelines and is crossing over through the Twilight Realm. That would explain the Twilight portal in the sky and why they have Wolf Link coming out of a Twilight portal too.
The time between PH and ST is awfully small to fit a whole era of Hyrule into. ST is only about 100 years after PH.
 
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OP is thinking how I'm thinking.

What's more I think the absence of visible towns on the map (and why they were held back for spoilers) is because each is a different period of history you must travel to to learn / retrieve something. Perhaps spirit orbs allow your spirit to travel in that way. It would also sync up with the way that shrines are detached from the game world that towns would work in the same way.
 
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Actually, someone told me that the shadow figure is "Calamity Ganon", not Phantom Ganon. Apparently the Old Man calls him this, although I didn't see the video where he said that.
I don't remember either but I found an article mentioning it.

We don't know much about the story of Breath of the Wild at this point. In the demo Nintendo showed, the game begins with Link waking up after a 100-year slumber to find a world in peril. A century ago, a misty monster named Calamity Ganon took over Hyrule Castle. Its presence has caused great harm to the realm, and now it's up to Link to do something about it.
http://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/14/11935158/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-wii-u-nx
 
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I would love it to be either a convergence scenario or post-TWW.

I think it would be awesome if the Old Man, King of Red Lions and Kaepora Gaebora are in fact the same dude
 
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I wonder how different calamity ganon is to ganon and ganondorf?
Calamity Ganon almost looks like a force of nature, swirling around Hyrule Castle, barely contained by it. You can see the swirls forming the silhouette of his beast form with the horns.

Maybe his corporeal form was destroyed and he became a great evil spirit or something.
 
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Calamity Ganon almost looks like a force of nature, swirling around Hyrule Castle, barely contained by it. You can see the swirls forming the silhouette of his beast form with the horns.

Maybe his corporeal form was destroyed and he became a great evil spirit or something.
Yeah honestly I feel like if this is part of the wind waker timeline the master sword was taken out of ganondorf and this was its result. It unleashed ganon as a more powerful nature like evil demon.
 
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Nintendo themself akwoledged different time lines and even published them in their different artbooks you know.

It's not just some theories made up by fans.
http://zeldawiki.org/Zelda_Timeline
I mean, to be fair, they did it because of the hardcore fans who want to make sense of it. They have released multiple versions of the time line that keeps changing after every new release. The original timeline had OoT, Zelda 1, Zelda 2, and then Link to the Past. This came to a shock to most Americans due to the name of 'Link to the Past,' but it wasn't called that in the USA. Since then, they have flipped it around so many times, and even created a timeline where the OoT Link fails, which was so weird because that was never hinted at.

It's fun, but that's why I find speculating about where this game fits inthe timeline to be a little silly. I could easily see the situation where after this game, they completely mix up the order of the timelines, or create another one.

I think it's fairly clear that Aonuma and the rest of the Zelda designers don't consider the current timeline too seriously when they start coming up with concepts.
 
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The time between PH and ST is awfully small to fit a whole era of Hyrule into. ST is only about 100 years after PH.
Well, if you look at the Hyrule Historia timeline, it shows PH at the beginning of 1 era and ST at the end of another era. Since we don't know the exact time between them, 100 years might be just right for Link's rebirth at the beginning of the Era of Hyrule's Rebirth.