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Leno heading back to late night. Conan given ultimatum.

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Trurl said:
You know who likes Leno more than Letterman? Douche bags. Seriously, name any famous douche bag and it's a safe bet that they prefer Leno. Limbaugh prefers Leno, Sarah Palin prefers Leno.
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What about Letterman himself?
 
Megadragon15 said:
I can't believe that people are so emotional over millionaires. Leno, O'Brien, Lettermen, Kimmel, Ferguson, etc. They are all millionaires and they wouldn't defend anyone on GAF.
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don't be 'tarded.
 
I wonder if Leno's contract stipulates that he needs to be at nighttime... they should totally move him to daytime... I think he'd kill in ratings at the time... way more old people awake at that time!!!
 
wadsworth said:
I wonder if Leno's contract stipulates that he needs to be at nighttime... they should totally move him to daytime... I think he'd kill in ratings at the time... way more old people awake at that time!!!
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When Leno decided not to retire, NBC Execs offered him several options including daytime and a show on one of NBC's other networks like Bravo and MSNBC. Leno turned them down to stay on one one of the big four nets.
 
Megadragon15 said:
I can't believe that people are so emotional over millionaires. Leno, O'Brien, Lettermen, Kimmel, Ferguson, etc. They are all millionaires and they wouldn't defend anyone on GAF.
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Your argument would not sound out of place in an NPD thread and would be equally laughable.

If your favorites do well, you get to see more of them.
 
Since in the last thread people were stating Conan was doing well with the 18-49 demographic, I'll post this:
O'Brien is averaging 2.5 million nightly viewers, compared with 4.2 for Letterman's "Late Show," according to Nielsen figures. And the younger audience that O'Brien was expected to woo has been largely unimpressed, with O'Brien and Letterman's shows tying among advertiser-favored viewers ages 18 to 49.
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Plinko said:
Since in the last thread people were stating Conan was doing well with the 18-49 demographic, I'll post this:
O'Brien is averaging 2.5 million nightly viewers, compared with 4.2 for Letterman's "Late Show," according to Nielsen figures. And the younger audience that O'Brien was expected to woo has been largely unimpressed, with O'Brien and Letterman's shows tying among advertiser-favored viewers ages 18 to 49.
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Makes sense. In my 21 year old opinion, censored Conan ~ usual Letterman. And by censored, I mean middle-aged person censored.

New Conan should be just Conan. Richter really ruins his flow.
 
I've asked this a couple times before and I don't think I've ever gotten a response- is there a way to watch online the episodes, or clips, of Conan during the writers strike?
 
ChefRamsay said:
Makes sense. In my 21 year old opinion, censored Conan ~ usual Letterman. And by censored, I mean middle-aged person censored.

New Conan should be just Conan. Richter really ruins his flow.
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I've got to stop refreshing this thread.
 
ChefRamsay said:
Makes sense. In my 21 year old opinion, censored Conan ~ usual Letterman. And by censored, I mean middle-aged person censored.

New Conan should be just Conan. Richter really ruins his flow.
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what in the blue balls
 
CartridgeBlower said:
...uh, not really. Comparing the ratings of a show on network television to a show on basic cable is apples and oranges completely. Do you not know that or something...?
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You really need to go back and read the whole conversation.
 
Is this for real? Last I heard about nbc's woes was yesterday and people said nbc was inclined to put Leno less hours on air, or even weekly only... and now he's going back to the Tonight Show time slot?

Please someone tell me that I only read the OP and somewhere in the middle of this thread events took a u-turn and it's all rumors and fabrications and Conan is gonna stay right where he is but without Leno stealing his thunder...

This sucks so fucking much.
 
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NBC is completely uncapable of making sensible decisions. Conan never ever should have taken the Tonight Show. He has his niche audience and was fine where he was at.
 
NBC should just give Leno a car show. Sort of like his garage Internet site. At this point I'd rather watch him do stuff related to cars than another talk show. NBC needs to grow a pair, tell Leno he's done, and give him a daytime car show. I'd watch that.
 
VGChampion said:
NBC should just give Leno a car show. Sort of like his garage Internet site. At this point I'd rather watch him do stuff related to cars than another talk show. NBC needs to grow a pair, tell Leno he's done, and give him a daytime car show. I'd watch that.
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Yeah I wouldn't mind that either actually.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Everything about that advert made me want to kill Jay Leno.
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Everything about Jay Leno makes me want to kill Jay Leno.

The pipe dream idea of Conan to Comedy Central would be amazing, but that will never happen. It would have to be too much of an audience cut and pay cut. Plus, IIRC he used to bitch about how it's so unfair that The Daily Show wins all the late night awards, so there might be some bad blood. But that would be an amazing fit.

It's amazing/sad how clusterfucked this whole thing is. I guess 5 year notice to quit isn't such a hot idea. If there's anything that's good about it though, it's nice to see Letter winning. It was so sad to see him losing out to the worthless embodiment of all things unfunny and uninteresting for so many years.

To any law enforcement reading this post, I do not literally want to kill Jay Leno.
 
The pipe dream idea of Conan to Comedy Central would be amazing, but that will never happen. It would have to be too much of an audience cut and pay cut. Plus, IIRC he used to bitch about how it's so unfair that The Daily Show wins all the late night awards, so there might be some bad blood. But that would be an amazing fit.
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What? I can't imagine Conan of all people giving a shit about that. Besides, him and Jon (and Stephen for that matter) are really good friends.
 
VGChampion said:
NBC should just give Leno a car show. Sort of like his garage Internet site. At this point I'd rather watch him do stuff related to cars than another talk show. NBC needs to grow a pair, tell Leno he's done, and give him a daytime car show. I'd watch that.
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Fuck that trash. If Adam Carolla couldn't have the American version of Top Gear, no one can! >:|
 
Plinko said:
Since in the last thread people were stating Conan was doing well with the 18-49 demographic, I'll post this:
O'Brien is averaging 2.5 million nightly viewers, compared with 4.2 for Letterman's "Late Show," according to Nielsen figures. And the younger audience that O'Brien was expected to woo has been largely unimpressed, with O'Brien and Letterman's shows tying among advertiser-favored viewers ages 18 to 49.
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What complete ownage! Conan can't even win the demographic his show is completely catering to. No wonder why NBC wants Leno back at 11:30 bad.

Conan wasn't even that great with ratings on the Late Night Show, I even remember Fregusion beating him in ratings a few times. People gave his schtick on the Tonight Show a chance & left in masses.
 
BrandNew said:
What? I can't imagine Conan of all people giving a shit about that. Besides, him and Jon (and Stephen for that matter) are really good friends.
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I don't have any of the old interviews on hand, I just remember him sounding really bitter. And I would assume most people in the business would care about pay and audience. I'm not going to pretend I know much about any of this or am good at predicting the future. I would of course much prefer to be wrong, because giving Conan a Comedy Central time slot would be like a dream come true.
 
Wrath2X said:
Hey GAF, I like both Conan and Jay.

Anyway, NBC are a bunch of fuckheads.
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Yup. Couldn't let jay go, and moved conan up prematurely. Canabalized the ratings for both shows, local news, and had less opportunity to score strong dramas that might have gotten followers for future seasons. What we are seein here is just desperate ass NBC tryin to fix their fuck up. Whatever they do, letterman will continue to own for a long while
 
Gruco said:
I don't have any of the old interviews on hand, I just remember him sounding really bitter. And I would assume most people in the business would care about pay and audience. I'm not going to pretend I know much about any of this or am good at predicting the future. I would of course much prefer to be wrong, because giving Conan a Comedy Central time slot would be like a dream come true.
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No way there is bad blood. They worked together during the writer's strike. The whole 'fued' was hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVg1CW08oHA
 
FTWer said:
What complete ownage! Conan can't even win the demographic his show is completely catering to. No wonder why NBC wants Leno back at 11:30 bad.

Conan wasn't even that great with ratings on the Late Night Show, I even remember Fregusion beating him in ratings a few times. People gave his schtick on the Tonight Show a chance & left in masses.
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It really isn't that bad. I don't know why anyone expects dominance straight out the gate it doesn't happen. It took Leno a while before he was beating Letterman. Not to mention Letterman has been stirring controversy like crazy lately. It's been a perfect storm for him really.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/04/conan-beats-dave-with-18-49-viewers-in-4th-quarter/37565

He skews much younger than either Letterman or Leno, in fact even younger than his Late Night show. Which would be better in the long run because he could a more loyal and longer lasting audience.
 
Leno needs to fucking retire already. That's the source of everything that's gone wrong. Why is he still working anyways? From what I've read, he has *shitloads* of money and he prides himself on not having touched a dime of the money he's gotten from NBC since he landed the Tonight Show and became financially secure, because he wants to be able to honestly describe his profession as being a comedian, not a talk show host. All of his Tonight Show (and Jay Leno Show) millions are sitting in the bank earning interest. His ridiculously expensive car collection habit is funded by the pocket change he earns by being famous and getting paid a fortune to do side jobs.

Why is he doing the same thing day-in and day-out that he's done for decades when he doesn't need the money and doesn't even respect the job and he has to step on people and ruin lives and be generally hated to do it? Does he have Asperger's syndrome or something? Retire you bastard! Quit while you're ahead. Spend the rest of your life doing the "side jobs" you love and earning more of the kind of money you can actually spend.
 
VistraNorrez said:
It really isn't that bad. I don't know why anyone expects dominance straight out the gate it doesn't happen. It took Leno a while before he was beating Letterman. Not to mention Letterman has been stirring controversy like crazy lately. It's been a perfect storm for him really.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/04/conan-beats-dave-with-18-49-viewers-in-4th-quarter/37565

He skews much younger than either Letterman or Leno, in fact even younger than his Late Night show. Which would be better in the long run because he could a more loyal and longer lasting audience.
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Yep. Late night talk show hosts are about familiarity, and ratings take time. The other thing to consider is that Conan gets a lot less popular guests because Leno is also in LA and is on prime time. So if you're an actor in Hollywood wanting to promote your movie, wouldn't you choose to go to the guy that's had the highest ratings and is on prime time? The whole thing is really NBC's fault.

As much as Leno is a jackass, I don't think he's really the problem this time. Having his show gutted into half is probably not ideal for him either.

The only thing that makes sense about NBC's decision of having Conan start at 12am ET/11 pm Central is that a lot of Conan's younger audience will tune in after finishing Colbert. But that alone isn't a good strategy for something like the tonight show, which should have a much larger audience long term.

NBC needs to think long term. In 5-10 years, do they want to have some new guy like Fallon/etc heading the tonight show, giving CBS the opportunity to replace Letterman? Or do they want to have Conan as the well known host heading the tonight show with built up ratings against some new guy on CBS?

Hell, if things go more sour, I wouldn't be surprised if Letterman made Conan his heir. Ferguson just isn't suited for the late show.
 
ruby_onix said:
Leno needs to fucking retire already. That's the source of everything that's gone wrong. Why is he still working anyways? From what I've read, he has *shitloads* of money and he prides himself on not having touched a dime of the money he's gotten from NBC since he landed the Tonight Show and became financially secure, because he wants to be able to honestly describe his profession as being a comedian, not a talk show host. All of his Tonight Show (and Jay Leno Show) millions are sitting in the bank earning interest. His ridiculously expensive car collection habit is funded by the pocket change he earns by being famous and getting paid a fortune to do side jobs.

Why is he doing the same thing day-in and day-out that he's done for decades when he doesn't need the money and doesn't even respect the job and he has to step on people and ruin lives and be generally hated to do it? Does he have Asperger's syndrome or something? Retire you bastard! Quit while you're ahead. Spend the rest of your life doing the "side jobs" you love and earning more of the kind of money you can actually spend.
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He's still working because he loves what he's doing.
 
teh_pwn said:
Yep. Late night talk show hosts are about familiarity, and ratings take time. The other thing to consider is that Conan gets a lot less popular guests because Leno is also in LA and is on prime time. So if you're an actor in Hollywood wanting to promote your movie, wouldn't you choose to go to the guy that's had the highest ratings and is on prime time? The whole thing is really NBC's fault.

As much as Leno is a jackass, I don't think he's really the problem this time. Having his show gutted into half is probably not ideal for him either.

The only thing that makes sense about NBC's decision of having Conan start at 12am ET/11 pm Central is that a lot of Conan's younger audience will tune in after finishing Colbert. But that alone isn't a good strategy for something like the tonight show, which should have a much larger audience long term.

NBC needs to think long term. In 5-10 years, do they want to have some new guy like Fallon/etc heading the tonight show, giving CBS the opportunity to replace Letterman? Or do they want to have Conan as the well known host heading the tonight show with built up ratings against some new guy on CBS?

Hell, if things go more sour, I wouldn't be surprised if Letterman made Conan his heir. Ferguson just isn't suited for the late show.
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Dave on air years ago talked about pretty much doing the show until he dies and then Paul taking over whenever that day does come. I think this was around when NBC announced that Conan was taking over the Tonight Show or something of that sort. Who knows if CBS would allow that to happen but hey, it was something to the extent of what he said.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
Dave on air years ago talked about pretty much doing the show until he dies and then Paul taking over whenever that day does come. I think this was around when NBC announced that Conan was taking over the Tonight Show or something of that sort. Who knows if CBS would allow that to happen but hey, it was something to the extent of what he said.
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Paul? Really?
 
What does it really mean that Letterman "owns his show"? I mean, what power does that give him with his show over, say, Conan or Leno with their shows?
 
I don't think it really matters if Letterman owns his show. Sure he has his own production company, but if CBS doesn't want to air the show once Letterman leaves they can just start a different show without Letterman's production company.
 
Sepinawall gets a confirmation from NBC at the TCA panel:

"I almost don't care how quickly (recovery from this mess) happens, as long as it happens." -Gaspin

Gaspin on the three latenight hosts: "They all have the weekend to think about it."

Angela Bromstad on idea of NBC importing USA shows to 10: "Just because it works on USA doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work on NBC."

Gaspin: "Jay and Conan and Jimmy were incredibly gracious and professional. They all said they understood the difficult situation I was in."

Gaspin being much more candid than any NBC exec I can remember. He just doesn't have much he can tell us.

Gaspin: "There probably wasn't much they could do" to change Leno's show. "They were doing the show Jay is comfortable doing. "

Gaspin says Leno Show performance at 10 "was not an issue for the network, really," and entirely a problem for affiliate late local news.

"I'm not going to talk much beyond that (about Conan staying), because I have a fluid situation." -Gaspin

He has proposed Leno Show at 11:35, Conan's Tonight at 12:05, Late Night w/Fallon at 1:05, but "talks are still ongoing."

Gaspin: While Leno show "performed to our expectations, it did not meet our affiliates' needs."

Gaspin confirms that Jay Leno Show leaves primetime Feb. 12.
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If there's any more, you can find it here: http://twitter.com/sepinwall


Also, from Mo Ryan:

Gaspin will wait til "last possible second" to figure out what to put on at 10. HUH?Way to market shows, inform viewers!
 
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