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Lets revive a childhood argument: Pokemon vs Digimon

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Dynedom said:
Buahahaha.

I think the common train of thought is that while the season sucked, it had the best Digimon OP (out of both languauges)?

Edit: Jesus, that was a great OP. I can't think of any Western-created OP (other than the original Pokemon opening) that was this good (for ANY anime). Even the way they integrated the song into the actual scenes. It seems so natural.
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I really liked Digimon Frontier (specially because its music was the best) but oh god that youtube version is horrible D: Fortunately, the Latin American dub was so good and the songs were almost identical to the originals <3.
itwasTuesday said:
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A friend of mine had one of these in elementary school. Those were supposed to be next Tamagotchi. At the time I was so jealous but it never became that popular.
 
Lebron said:
You got trolled so hard on that one. The kid you traded it to must of had the greatest troll face of all time on after the deal was done.
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Oh, I was livid when I figured out what I had done. And it was near the end of the school year when I did that trade. The kid never re-enrolled after that year... probably knew that I would've killed him.

Pokemon. Serious Business.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
The problem with Digimon is that, like all of the Pokémon copycats, the main character eventually becomes the respective Jesus of monster collecting.
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Everyone had ONE digimon, and did not collect a bunch. Also Digimon and Pokemon came out around the same time.

A Link to the Snitch said:
Yugi from Yu-Gi-Oh!, Dan from Bakugan, and Tyson from Beyblade, from what I've seen, all go from a nobody to basically the most popular, most awesome, most best monster trainers ever born, whereas Ash consistently fails and learns from his mistakes. He never has the God Pokémon, and he is always demonstrated as a character who does well but is actually relatable to the kids watching.
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If by learn from his mistakes you mean start over and forget EVERYTHING ever learned multiple times, then yes Ash learned A LOT from his mistakes.

A Link to the Snitch said:
I can't imagine how any kid can relate to someone who succeeds at pretty much everything that they try.
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Start off as a scrub and becoming good is impossible?

Digimon > Pokemon
 
thetechkid said:
Everyone had ONE digimon, and did not collect a bunch. Also Digimon and Pokemon came out around the same time.
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Duel Masters and the (real) Yu-Gi-Oh! came out the same year in Japan. Doesn't mean people don't think it's a copycat, though one was a media franchise designed to sell cards (Duel Masters), where as the other just turned into that (Yu-Gi-Oh!).

Digimon was meant to sell boys Tamagotchis, and Pokemon was meant to sell kids games (as was Medabots and Monster Rancher).
 
Takao said:
Duel Masters and the (real) Yu-Gi-Oh! came out the same year in Japan. Doesn't mean people don't think it's a copycat, though one was a media franchise designed to sell cards (Duel Masters), where as the other just turned into that (Yu-Gi-Oh!).

Digimon was meant to sell boys Tamagotchis, and Pokemon was meant to sell kids games (as was Medabots and Monster Rancher).
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True, I love season zero where Yami just fucked with criminals minds then shattered them.
 
Ezalc said:
Clearly somebody skipped over the N64 Pokemon games.
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I played them, they were all equally terrible. Maybe outside of Snap!, which was a guilty pleasure.

G-Fex said:
HA, I guess the portable's always the correct choice. Except for YGO which has some good console ports so I know of.
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I don't know why I invested so many hours in Duelists of the Roses on the PS2. Probably because it reminded me of Tactics.
 
thetechkid said:
Everyone had ONE digimon, and did not collect a bunch. Also Digimon and Pokemon came out around the same time.



If by learn from his mistakes you mean start over and forget EVERYTHING ever learned multiple times, then yes Ash learned A LOT from his mistakes.



Start off as a scrub and becoming good is impossible?

Digimon > Pokemon
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The Digimon virtual pets were vastly different from the Pokémon games; the later releases in the series, however, were not. They aren't compared on the basis that they both have mon suffixes.

The point of starting fresh is to introduce new characters rather than rely on the same Pokémon throughout the series. Instead of keeping his Pokémon, he is more adventurous. If he kept the ones he had, he would simply fall into the eternally lame God tier of monster raising protagonists.

And being an astronaut is not impossible. But the notion that a child could identify with an astronaut in a kid's show is silly. Similarly, a child identifying with a character who is basically the best at everything he or she does in their respective fields is not something that a living person can ever identify with. Ash is a flawed character who never goes too high above realistic expectations, and teaches kids good life lessons.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
The point of starting fresh is to introduce new characters rather than rely on the same Pokémon throughout the series. Instead of keeping his Pokémon, he is more adventurous. If he kept the ones he had, he would simply fall into the eternally lame God tier of monster raising protagonists.
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So basically Ash is good because he chooses not to win with good pokemon and handicap himself constantly and forget every bit of information he learns in an area once he leaves, yeah a sane person would totally do that.
 
thetechkid said:
So basically Ash is good because he chooses not to win with good pokemon and handicap himself constantly and forget every bit of information he learns in an area once he leaves, yeah a sane person would totally do that.
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I'd take a character who makes questionable decisions over a character who makes decisions that eventually make him into generic kid's anime protagonist who eventually destroys all evil and is the best at everything.
 
Isn't that why the Ash in the video games is smarter and became a master and then a big boss you have to fight?

Plus Yugi isn't really...good. Yami is, is it really cheating to get possessed by a thousands year old pharaoh who is ridiculously good at childrens card games and literally gets you to the top?

The answer is...probably.
 
Ash is borderline mentally disabled. It's quite telling that everyone of his companions have said "Fuck this shit I am going home to have a life."
 
I loved the Digimon show back in the day. It got crappy when the kids grew up, new kids came, and "ARMOR DIGIVOLVE LOL", but before that...so good. Way better than the Pokemon show.

Never played a Digimon game though. Even as a Digimon fanboy in 5th grade, the games looked crappy. I'm sure Pokemon games are better, even though I don't care much for them either. I was addicted to Pokemon Gold for a year, but I couldn't get back into it after that.
 
G-Fex said:
Isn't that why the Ash in the video games is smarter and became a master and then a big boss you have to fight?

Plus Yugi isn't really...good. Yami is, is it really cheating to get possessed by a thousands year old pharaoh who is ridiculously good at childrens card games and literally gets you to the top?

The answer is...probably.
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He did win in the end though against the 1,000 year old childrens card game prodigy. Also the cards are made of steel and can mess you up if thrown properly.
 
thetechkid said:
He did win in the end though against the 1,000 year old childrens card game prodigy. Also the cards are made of steel and can mess you up if thrown properly.
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Of course they are, that's why Kaiba throws them. Pure skill.
 
Out of Pokemon and Digimon. Pokemon all the way. Wouldn't think it needs justification as there is still a Pokemon.

Although if you asked me what my favourite childhood show was. Dragon Ball Z destroys them all.
 
I sit here, holding pokemon black in one hand, a Six Samurai deck in the other, thinking about my Gen 2 Digivice and ask: "Can't we all just get along?"
 
I remember thinking the Digimon anime was actually pretty sick when I was young, although Pokemon was, and still is an amazing portable game.
 
G-Fex said:
Maybe....but I have ..

*counts cards*

32 more allies.
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I don't even play the games for the most part. I watched the anime for a couple of years in high school, played Pokemon Blue for a bit, Yellow all the way, and some of the other Pokemon games (Snap and Puzzle League on N64, Pinball on GBC). I just think Pikachu is one of the best mascots ever.
 
Skiptastic said:
I don't even play the games for the most part. I watched the anime for a couple of years in high school, played Pokemon Blue for a bit, Yellow all the way, and some of the other Pokemon games (Snap and Puzzle League on N64, Pinball on GBC). I just think Pikachu is one of the best mascots ever.
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good enough reason
 
The fact that:
a) there was a childhood argument between Pokemon vs. Digimon, that
b) has been around long enough to need to be revived, and that
c) did not exist when I was actually a child

... makes me feel very, very old.

Transformers vs. Go-Bots generation, represent!
 
Meadows said:
I remember thinking the Digimon anime was actually pretty sick when I was young, although Pokemon was, and still is an amazing portable game.
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The Digimon show hasn't aged well outside of the bulk of the Myotismon arc, "Home Away From Home" from season 1, the Wargames section of the movie (you're better off watching Summer Wars), and Digimon Tamers. There are so many problems with pacing, out of character moments, writing, animation quality, in-universe inconsistencies, outright plotholes, etc. The real crux of the problem is that the ensemble cast is just way too big (doubly so with the Digimon partners) without adequate time to develop them and get the business of the plot done i.e. a group of kids surviving in an alien world and then an Animorphs style secret invasion plot.

They could have merged characters and eliminated some Digimon partners if they weren't trying to sell so many toys. It's the reason why Tamers doesn't have its predecessors problems. It's got a much smaller cast to manage and develop. They still pull off a great 'kids trapped in an alien world with monsters' arc to boot. Not to mention it has the best developed Digimon partners. Too bad Frontier takes this too far and has the humans become the Digimon.

As troubled as Pokemon is (it shares many of Digimons problems), its leisurely pace and lack of commitment to an over-arching arc means you get some really good one-shot episodes. There's a lot exquisitely paced and written episodes, such as Hypno's Naptime and the Orange Islands's Finale. When Pokemon is on, it can really take advantage of its universe and hit it out of the park. After the problematic Advance Generation, Diamond and Pearl manage to have good episodes outside of gym and contest battles.
 
Tyrant_Onion said:
Shin Megami Tensei.
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Seriously.

There are people who still don't believe the fact that Pokemon ripped off this series.

But Digimon Tamers is better than any Pokemon season ever. It's damn good.
 
Thread reminds me of Digimon world and Digimon digital card battle on PS1. Digimon world is amazing with the exploration done right tho I have never been able to complete it.

I like pokemon more however.
 
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