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LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]
- Thread starter Horse Armour
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shysaursoft
Member
Why don't you go look when this thread started.
PSN still having trouble, but many people report getting in. XBL seems to have almost no trouble, but there are still random reports of issues for some. Your mileage may vary.
Just because you and your friends were up does not mean that it was for everyone. It has already been established that it started Xmas Eve, but just go ahead keep ignoring that because you were unaffected until the next day. Facts are facts and I'm done.
InfiniteUnrest
Member
In other news, Destiny just kicked our Fireteam out mid Crota raid and now PSN is down again.
Exploding8
Member
As far as I know yes. Unless they are able to differentiate between legit users and zombie users and ignore the zombies (which are being controlled to perform the Distributed part of the Denial of Service attack (hence DDoS)), the only way to handle the attack would be to increase their hardware infrastructure. There are services that companies can use to rent infrastructure to mitigate the effects of DDoS attacks, but they can be overwhelmed as well.
The 23rd? That's a new one.
Might as well just round up to a week while we're at it.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
So is it back down again?! It looked hopeful for psn when I checked the thread earlier but I've just booted up my ps4 and psn still ain't up for me. UK gaffer here.
How's live holding up?
How's live holding up?
gregor7777
Banned
No, it isn't. How many times does this need to be explained to you? Very few networks on Earth have the capacity to handle even a slight majority of their total users making requests at once.
Several networks of which I have intimate knowledge wouldn't be able to handle even 5% of their users making simultaneous requests.
Been playing multi since Christmas. Big populations, no major issues.
Very true. People are perfectly happy letting a company use their funds for network access not be used for network infrastructure. It's mind boggling.
echoshifting
Banned
All of my Marvel comics have been readable since Christmas Eve. Just sayin'.
manny10032
Member
Well can't sign to my Xbox 360.
I haven't been able to sign in since the night of the 24th, I'll be entering the 4th day as of today : \
Hidden One
Member
You mean 3 days?
Try this on for size. My sub accounts were working while my primary account on the same console wouldn't let me sign in manually. I spent all day yesterday dealing with this shit constantly trying to connect even for an instant before Xur leaves the tower in Destiny but since this is still dragging on my patience is gone and now we are into free shit territory and we deserve an official response and not the copy paste bullshit they keep refreshing on Twitter. I wake up this morning and now none of the shit works at all. Now this is day 3 and it appears were no closer to a resolution and I'm beyond pissed off at this point. This is 2014 okay there's simply no excuse I can think of where you allow kids to take down the network of billion dollar companies and still not have them back up 3 days later and have paying customers pissing in the wind with any explanation of the problem and a clear cut plan for a solution. Now I also have an X1 and it has been a mixed bag of up and down but since I game more on my PS4 live being up is no more than a consolation prize to me because unless I go re buy and re play 80% of the games im just shit out of luck at this point. I don't think it's too much to ask for Sony to address their customer base in some other manner than Twitter or facebook. At the least we should all be receiving emails keeping us apprised of the situation as things develop because 3 days later this shit looks bad for everyone.
SEGAvangelist
Member
XBL has been great or the people I play with since yesterday morning.
Jest Chillin
Member
Except you have no clue whatsoever how that company is budgeting their money and to claim they're NOT using it in their infrastructure because the service went down illustrates how little you understand of what you're talking about.
The Network can handle the traffic just fine once people are in. It's that there's 100 people at the doorway and they won't take turns, all just pushing in at once. And there's multiple doorways but they're ALL experiencing the same thing. So what's the solution? Widen every doorway until there's no walls?
shysaursoft
Member
Now I know you're just trolling.
The hackers aren't the only bad guys here.
What about all those computers being part of a botnet?
Seriously, if you are too stupid to run and update an antivirus and scan from time to time, you should get fined.
(edit: and besides that, also have a firewall and for example Malwarebytes Anti Malware.
The thing with a lot of firewalls is that they don't monitor OUTGOING traffic because they take the stances that the user knows that all the programs on his/her PC are safe.
They only monitor INCOMING traffic since that traffic can be malicious.
If for whatever reason you have a botnet component on your PC, and you are part of a botnet, your firewall won't notify you of the OUTGOING traffic that you are generating.)
If botnets didn't exist, DDoS attacks would become a lot more rare.
Since DDoS attacks are hard to mitigate I think we should focus our attention to the scrubs that don't know shit about computer security.
The funny thing is that a lot of console gamers don't really know anything about PCs - it's why they prefer gaming on consoles over on PC - and it's perfectly possible some console gamer's PC right now is actually part of the botnet attacking their precious game providers.
I have thought about this in the past and I'm gonna say it here:
Anyone who wants to get access to a PC, should do a mandatory exam.
Same as when you want to drive a car, you have to study and do an exam.
The same should be done for getting access to a PC. We would remove a lot of annoyances from our current lives.
Because don't think DDoS attacks are a dying breed. These things will happen more and more.
Same for hackings where data gets stolen. All companies should be forced to allow an independent firm to do a security audit on their networks.
By conclusion I want to say that 2014 was again a year filled with reports of company networks getting breached and networks getting attacked by DDoS attacks.
I feel every year you hear more and more about all kinds of cyber security violations.
I can't wait to see what 2015 brings but chances are high I won't be disappointed.
What about all those computers being part of a botnet?
Seriously, if you are too stupid to run and update an antivirus and scan from time to time, you should get fined.
(edit: and besides that, also have a firewall and for example Malwarebytes Anti Malware.
The thing with a lot of firewalls is that they don't monitor OUTGOING traffic because they take the stances that the user knows that all the programs on his/her PC are safe.
They only monitor INCOMING traffic since that traffic can be malicious.
If for whatever reason you have a botnet component on your PC, and you are part of a botnet, your firewall won't notify you of the OUTGOING traffic that you are generating.)
If botnets didn't exist, DDoS attacks would become a lot more rare.
Since DDoS attacks are hard to mitigate I think we should focus our attention to the scrubs that don't know shit about computer security.
The funny thing is that a lot of console gamers don't really know anything about PCs - it's why they prefer gaming on consoles over on PC - and it's perfectly possible some console gamer's PC right now is actually part of the botnet attacking their precious game providers.
I have thought about this in the past and I'm gonna say it here:
Anyone who wants to get access to a PC, should do a mandatory exam.
Same as when you want to drive a car, you have to study and do an exam.
The same should be done for getting access to a PC. We would remove a lot of annoyances from our current lives.
Because don't think DDoS attacks are a dying breed. These things will happen more and more.
Same for hackings where data gets stolen. All companies should be forced to allow an independent firm to do a security audit on their networks.
By conclusion I want to say that 2014 was again a year filled with reports of company networks getting breached and networks getting attacked by DDoS attacks.
I feel every year you hear more and more about all kinds of cyber security violations.
I can't wait to see what 2015 brings but chances are high I won't be disappointed.
I meant to say I'll be entering the 4th day as of today
BronsonLee
Member
Your comic book reading experience isn't the same as everyone else's! You aren't the Marvel Universe, you know~
Which was my point. But the fact of the matter is that it officially started on Xmas Eve. Of course not everyone was affected until the next day. Which was my experience with Live. It did not go down for me until Xmas afternoon. But started coming back that night and was fully back the next morning.
My experience in the latest three days was I had almost no trouble with XBL (except for couple of hours) and I was able to login to PSN only for a couple of hours this morning.
SDCowboy
Member
Exactly. This is the 4th calender day it's been down at some point. Yet the defenders of a currently non-functioning service want to play semantics on how many actual hours it's been, like it matters.
Exploding8
Member
That's like asking banks to have all the money of all their clients in every branch of their bank, just in case all their clients decide to swarm one of their branches at the same time. Spoilers, banks don't carry all the money all the time, just like software companies don't have all the hardware to handle every single one of their clients (plus fake ones when a DDoS attack occurs) all the time.
Hidden One
Member
Bruh..I'm done.
Free Anti-Virus software on every machine (Y)
LowParry
Member
Let's all sell our PS4s then and get a Wii. That'll teach'em.
gregor7777
Banned
Good. Because it comes off as petty when you start picking at people's frustration.
Nealand Liquor
Member
Hur hur hur, I haven't been able to log in since the 23rd. Meaning the 23rd was the last day I was able to log in. I even listed the dates in the rest of my post.
How about you take a step away from your keyboard and take a breather until you can stop replying to users with such negative emotion... Or keep fighting the "good" I suppose.
Banks don't even have enough money in all their banks combined to handle everyone taking out all their money.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
My ps4 couldn't connect last night at 1am still. Have not tried yet. Im in Canada.
Colbert
Banned
Hopefully Crota was not almost down. Happened for me in a nightfall strike on the moon. The boss was dead. In that very moment the screen went black and all of us were kicked out completely out of the game. All progression were lost and no rewards for our hard work. That sucks. Even in my case it was Destiny's fault and not XBL related.
shysaursoft
Member
Which - just incidentially - wouldn't stop botnets, since those are caused by malware.... Most anti-virus software doesn't handle malware, yet.
Then I'm surprised someone doesn't do this every day. There are some major assholes and cretins in the world, that would want to
Fnord
Member
If every paid member of a gym showed up to work out at the same time on the same day, there wouldn't be enough room in the building to pack everyone inside, much less use equipment. Similar concept.
No one - paid or unpaid - sets up a datacenter to support simultaneous access from 100% of their users. It cost prohibitive. And wasteful on several fronts.
BronsonLee
Member
Welcome to Bad Idea Day 2014!
Oh they are communicating I haven't seen their account reply to so many messages in like ever.
But...
The messages are very copy paste-ish but if that's all the info they have its understandable.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Why not? I'm on the Xbox side of things. Had my service interrupted for a couple minutes and it came back. I'm telling you my experience on my Xbox One.
Have you been out for days on your Xbox One not able to connect to Live?
I was agreeing with you.
You can admit you were wrong. I know math is difficult for some of you guys.
SDCowboy
Member
All jokes aside, I tried to get a Wii U yesterday (to compliment my PS4), but Walmart seemed to be sold out.
lolgregor7777
Banned
How about: "PSN has been down for too long."
Which is why you have multiple datacenters to be able to handle the demand. Sony doesn't invest enough in infrastructure to handle their users. This was acceptable when it was a free service, but not when they are a paid competing service to Live..
shysaursoft
Member
Let me rephrase. I'm glad you've had little trouble since Christmas Day. You were lucky. In this thread, and online, there have been overwhelming reports of people having continual issues since the DDoS attack started, and ended - though less issues after it ended, but there would still be issues regardless due to the Christmas flood of new users. There have also been a lot of people coming in, acting as if their lack of experiencing issues, somehow means everyone else is lying. I didn't mean to lump you in with them. It's been a long thread. My apologies.
For the Christmas rush, I agree. For a DDoS - it don't matter how many datacenters you have. There is no sure-fire defense against an attack of that size.
Yep, this is what has annoyed me. No statement or anything, just "we are trying to fix it, we will update you blah blah blah".
Jest Chillin
Member
From my understanding.. a lot of the computers used in these things are in foreign countries where they don't really care about malware and botnets because their businesses and gov'ts aren't the targets.