So it looks like I'll have to drop £320-370 for a compatible wheel?
I appreciate some people feel that mentioning PC's is irrelevant to the discussion but my wallet feels it's incredibly pertinent right now.
So a few questions:
1) Is it even worthwhile wondering if they could enable the wheels but without FFB? Sounds stupid I know but the whole issue regards patents is the FFB implementation that Immersion owns AFAIK.
2) When do Immersion patents expire? I know its not soon (they must be way over 10 years already) so perhaps theres a chance we can use our wheels on the PS5 . Sounds silly but hey has wheel tech moved considerably in the last decade?
3) Why the heck are fighting sticks not working with the PS4? Im not aware of any obvious patents/fees that Sony need to pay so is this just a method for us to have to rebuy new sticks? Makes me consider taking a DS4 apart just to use the PCB if I knew what I was doing...
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1) heh Once I equated trying to play GT without rumble to trying to drive while wearing thick, winter gloves.1) No. Try driving while chugging morphine.
2) I am no expert but, I think they can refile the patent by making small changes to the technology, which is likely what they are/will be doing.
3) Security chip, licensing, who the hell knows at this point.
Honestly, we need a #PS4NoDRM type movement to get this shit solved. All the fight stick owners and all the FFB wheel owners should collectively push Sony for answers and hopefully change.
Honestly, we need a #PS4NoDRM type movement to get this shit solved. All the fight stick owners and all the FFB wheel owners should collectively push Sony for answers and hopefully change.
Here we go again.
Once again people. PC is the way to go. I've already explained in a billion other threads the advantages of playing racing games exclusively on the PC. Sure, if your mouth was watering in anticipation of Drive Club or GT7, making the decision not to play them will sting a little, but trust me you'll get over it. The amount of fantastic racing games available on PC, especially if you include emulation, is sickening.
So instead of expressing disappointment and having a discussion, maybe even tweeting Shu in process, we should just suck it up and go PC? Right, gotcha.
This is a thread about Logitech wheel support on PS4. It has nothing to do with PC. Bringing the PC into the discussion is counter-productive and doesn't help anyone.
Anyone who is keen enough to buy a decent wheel will already be more than aware of the PC potential.
Pointless, pointless comments.
sticking with the proprietary manufacturer who imposes draconian restrictions on which peripherals you use to play your own damn games is the definition of "sucking it up".
I am wondering, If a race game on the PS4 is made for the use of a wheel, would that mean requirement to purchase one of the Thrustmaster wheels?
That would be an unlawfull deed? That is a non-competition, eliminating the rest.
Do not thnk Sony would go that far, so I think after a big release of the T300RS wheel, there is going to be a small notification that other wheels will be supported to.
At least, I hope so.....
Well lets hope that barrier means the flood gates open for Touchsense enabled wheels working on the PS4. It could happenWell, I got curious about how much longer we'd be living under Immersion's yoke. It seems patents are good for 20 years from the priority date, which is November 30, 1995 for the patents in question.
I'm penciling in GT7 for Christmas 2015.
So who is at fault here, Sony or Logitech?
I still don't understand how a steering wheel controller needs a security chip for the PS4 and poses any kind of risk or threat. It's really confusing.
A security chip would be for locking out unlicensed hardware as much as preventing hacks.
But how can you hack something with a steering wheel?
Well, that's one way to look at the situation.Sounds like Sony is.
Because Thrustmaster wheels don't rely on Immersion patented technology, unlike Logitech ones.I still don't fully understand the situation, or why Thrustmaster wheels are covered but Fanatec and Logitech wheels aren't.
Sounds like Sony is.
I still don't fully understand the situation, or why Thrustmaster wheels are covered but Fanatec and Logitech wheels aren't.
No but you can easily build a hacking device that declares itself as a wheel hence the need for a secure device.But how can you hack something with a steering wheel?
As a consumer, why should I care about their security? All I know is that they expect me to buy another 100-200 dollar wheel and fightstick, which seems insane when the interface is exactly the same.
I think the PS3 got broken into using a USB exploit.
No, I was.Maybe I'm wrong though.
I'd say the thread could use a new title but I'm not sure what it should be.
Fuck that. I refuse to buy driveclub or any driving game on PS4 just outta principal. Make it right Sony. DO IT.
They've never been more important. You can't play iRacing with a controller. GT is best played with a Wheel. Playing racing games with a controller unless they are Mario Kart is terrible. PC racing sims are the best they ever have been and you don't want a controller for that.
So who is at fault here, Sony or Logitech?
Opening a security hole is such a great idea.
So should I still hold out for the nice China man to make a USB dongle... or sell the g27?
Or, you could wait 15 months until it's no longer covered by Immersion's patents, and Logitech can freely release the drivers they seem to have already written.i now need to sell my G25!
Yeah, pretty much.If I'm reading this right, the problem is that someone needs to pay a lot of money to Immersion for the wheels to work, and the problem is that neither Sony or Logitech is really in a position to do so (Logitech is out of the console accessory business, and Sony doesn't necessarily have the millions of dollars to spend on something that would purely be for gamer goodwill).
If I'm reading this right, the problem is that someone needs to pay a lot of money to Immersion for the wheels to work, and the problem is that neither Sony or Logitech is really in a position to do so (Logitech is out of the console accessory business, and Sony doesn't necessarily have the millions of dollars to spend on something that would purely be for gamer goodwill).
That's a bit dumb.
If their security is too weak, people can take down the whole system, if one person or enough people are determined enough. Which then bites you in the ass whilst you complain that PSN is down and you can't play anything online or whatever. You could say their system needs to be made secure, but then if anything that would probably just betray whether you've ever worked on a big codebase before. Bugs happen, chinks in the armour exist. It's better for everyone if Sony preempt this avenue for attack and make it harder for anything like the PSN outage of a few years ago.
The security chip, if it really exists, is not mandatory (otherwise no legacy USB peripheral would work on the PS4, which is NOT true, see the T500-RS for example).Again, why the fuck should that burden be passed onto the consumer in the form of having to buy another expensive peripheral when the old one is exactly the same and works exactly the same bar some security chip?
FTFY, since DC has proper support for Thrustmaster wheels.Driveclub without proper Logitech wheel support is just worthless to me.
Again, why the fuck should that burden be passed onto the consumer in the form of having to buy another expensive peripheral when the old one is exactly the same and works exactly the same bar some security chip?
I suspect/hope Logitech will quickly reenter the console business once they're free from the restrictions of Immersion's patents.That's what most ppl here forget. It's Logitech who carries the responsibility for their wheels. We all paid Logitech hoping they'd be there when the ps4 releases. Suddenly they quit and now Sony has to pay millions of $ so we can use our old wheels?
We need Sony to openly and clearly address this issue, we have being mislead for more than a year now.
Driveclub without proper wheel support is just worthless to me.