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Looks like all digital PSP / PSone games work on Vita now [Not Anymore]
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NintendoRev
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Goddamn it, why did I wait to download these ._.
yes
well let's ask Sony to look into this?
I mean #PS4noDRM did help them at the negotiating table right?
so let's try
#VITAnoLicenseLock
#EndLicenseLock
#FreeOurGamesOnVita
@yosp
@amboyes
@giocorsi
@shahidkamal
the point is not to blame Sony. as many have already said, they don't and can't control the entire license agreement. but with all the downloads from this glitch + if we make ourselves heard, I think Sony does have a good case to negotiate with the publishers to rethink about this
"hey look, gamers want this, people are willing to spend money to buy older games, shall we work things out?"
Would take too much time out of their busy schedules making complete asses of themselves on twitter.
This entire argument is completely useless when the games were ALL DOWNLOADABLE AND PLAYABLE UNTIL LAST NIGHT. Its really more like running DOS stuff on Windows before 2K/XP anyway.
It's all about the contracts and whatever deals they drafted up, and frustratingly it seems the deals were bum ones for forward compatibility. Which seems to happen frustratingly often and is why we don't see some of the games ever put up digitally.
The Vita does indeed run PSP firmware, it's how it's able to run every PSP game unmodified. The Vita hacks that let people run homebrew included kernel hacks; PSP kernel hacks. I think a better analogy is trying to tell people mysterious licensing issues prevent them from running Windows games in Bootcamp (or a VM) on a Mac. Technical problems are one thing; if that's the case I'm sure someone will notice soon enough.
Unless I'm missing something, Symbian games wouldn't run on Windows Phone. PSP games do run on the Vita, all of them, without modification. And they're all available through the same platform holder. The only effort required is to prevent them from being playable on the Vita.
The argument was about licenses. Just because they work in the emulator doesn't mean sony has rights into perpetuity to sell it on other operating systems as they please.
androvsky said:
That's the point I was making- even ough you bought something on a device doesn't mean you are entitled to download it on all of their future devices that don't run that operating system.
baxter2231
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Its the publishers that need to see that there is a benefit to them. Im sure the psp sales had a nice spike in the hours this was active, just imagine if it was advertised, run by major gaming sites like ign etc. If its just one little song or something maybe just patch it out or something or renew it if they can. Heck maybe talk to the owners of the song and see if they even care they may not care that much or be willing to let it slide for a small % of proceeds etc.
From now on though they need to have these agreement last as long as the game is available for sale or have a provision that all future platforms other then the one it as for are eligible.
Agent X
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For all of the OS arguments, I believe that some of these situations aren't as straightforward as it being the "same OS". For example, Amazon's Kindle Fire products use a variation of Android, which I don't believe was present on their earlier Kindle devices (with monochrome E-ink displays)
Strictly speaking, firmware is not the same thing as an operating system. The Vita might not contain the actual "firmware" of the PSP, but I would bet that it has at least some significant portion of the PSP OS running under an emulation layer.
No, and I wouldn't expect Mac OS applications to work on an iPad, either. This has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.
PSP games aren't being recompiled into native Vita programs. They're the original PSP code, running under emulation. The program doesn't know that it's being played on a Vita rather than a PSP. If the game running under emulation is acceptably playable (meaning it doesn't exhibit any compatibility problems that impact gameplay), then I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be allowed for download on Vita.
If it is truly a licensing issue that is preventing these games from being made available on Vita, then Sony have arranged one of the least forward-thinking electronic distribution contract in industry history. This would be a colossal failure on Sony's part, considering that all other major entertainment platform holders (including Apple, Google, Amazon, and even Nintendo) aren't bound by such restrictions.
these games are not playable on vita just because sony is evil and want to make your life miserable, there are many things that need to be addressed before making a game available on a platform, tweeting yoshida is not gonna bring back all the games, i bet you sony is on deep shit for this mistake, all the licenses they jump without authorization because of this mistake is gonna cost them a few bucks
I don't think that's particularly important so long as it can run perfectly, and it does, never mind PS3 compatibility for all PS1 games and only a handful of PSP exceptions. They probably drafted the agreements to be for system X and Y along with their revisions, and the Vita is a whole new platform capable of running X games but is system Z in this equation and thus needs to be resettled case by case. Any dumbass detail will be a hangup in a contract, not just OS.
Although given the missing PSP games include SCEA titles and plenty available elsewhere maybe SCEA is just special when it comes to getting PS1 and PSP games marked as compatible.
Especially since the main point of putting PSP games on PSN in the first place was for the PSP Go, which was designed to test consumer reaction to an all-digital handheld (aka the Vita). If they made up contracts that didn't include the system they were preparing for...
But if we follow other games that originally did not work on the Vita and were later made compatible, it's been technical issues, not legal. It's likely most of these games fail some obscure SCEA requirement that no one actually cares about (like does the game crash while saving while removing the memory card kind of thing).
RadarScope1
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Well this sucks. Expected, but shitty.
Coolbgdog12
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Wait what?? I was joking and it really doesn't work anymore??
I've tweeted yosp three times over the last two days and he hasn't said a word about it. Good luck.
LiquidMetal14
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Sony doesn't own the rights to every game on PSN so you can bet that anything that doesn't wholly belong to them is a licensing issue.
GT is due to licensing issues with Car manufacturers
Motorstorm has an exploit that can lead to CFW
Wipeout I'm not sure about, but back in the day, before the PSP had a web browser, you could modify your save file and access a basic web browser using that. I'm guessing because there is some chance of an exploit being found in it, Sony just decided to make it unavailable for Vota instead of risking more security exploits
LiquidMetal14
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The whole MS AR thing brings up my understanding of why Sony chose the proprietary memory card which basically has to encrypt data on the fly so it passes the checks in place with the Vita.
As much as I would love my own SD or MS solution I think a lot of us know where that would lead.
Vita is a great games machine which is struggling in the west and the last thing it needs is to be exploited.
But that doesn't explain why games like Legend of Dragoon are locked out.
LiquidMetal14
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Could be royalties but remember, it may be locked out of Vita but that doesn't mean it's not playable on PSP/PS3.
I think the way some people broad stroke paint the picture they make it seem like the games on the store themselves are not playable on any of the devices.
On the note of LoD, I was going to DL it but opted not to. I got a good deal of games I wanted but that one I do regret.
I thought Motorstorm's issue was fixed? They did relist games with fixed exploits as I recall, such as Hot Shots Tennis and Persona 2. Which leads to my next quoted post:
That even came post-Vita. Given the selections in other regions maybe SCEA really IS just that thick. Hopefully that "everything is available!" thing foreshadowed properly opening up at least a lot more games for Vita 2000 rather than some strange case of getting things right then fucking them back up.
LiquidMetal14
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Hmmm, you mean you can transfer that over from PS3 in the US?
If it was put back up then I would imagine it's been fixed. That slipped my mind but the thought still crept in.
I hope hackers can identify what made games become compatible. Reason is because PSX games still cant be played on exploited VITAs running on PSP emulation, just native PSP games. Last I remember they (hackers) couldnt emulate sound output on PSX games.
But yea I give my blessing to hackers now. I normally hate it when they start peeking into the systems but with what Sony has done, I hope this leads to more hacks. (to let us play our legal backups obviously such as the titles not supported ala Brave Story/Crash etc)
But yea I give my blessing to hackers now. I normally hate it when they start peeking into the systems but with what Sony has done, I hope this leads to more hacks. (to let us play our legal backups obviously such as the titles not supported ala Brave Story/Crash etc)
LiquidMetal14
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If it's anything like the exploits found and need to run a mini or some other game to access then the novelty of being able to play these games on Vita will quickly wear off.
I tried it at first with some of my old backups from games like CCFF7 and Star Ocean First Departure and was glad at first but then realized I had no interest in playing those games in this manner.
On top of the way you have to manage the games with one of the exploits and it makes the game that is running the exploit look like a bloated games if I recall correctly.
I quickly lost interest and deleted all my stuff and have relegated my old backed up games to their slumber. My UMD's can't even be used anymore since I long since got rid of my PSP.
lucius
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Yeah I an not sure what's going on with PS3's PSone emulation sometimes or however it's running but it sucks compared to Vita with all it's options, they should get them running better on PS4 I would hope.
Pretty sure I put it on my Vita shortly after I bought it. Barely ever played it because I didn't want to deal with transferring the save back and forth with the PS3 and deleted it to save space.
fake edit: yeah, I think it's transferable (or at least was)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/620272-playstation-vita/67776061
LiquidMetal14
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Looks like I might be doing this tomorrow then.
I still have about 23GB left on my 64GB card with a ton of games already in place. Yes, that was a stealth brag but I love having so many awesome games with space to spare.
Great, someone that can test for us!
But I'm guessing you DIDN'T delete them, so maybe someone else should try.
EDIT:
Ok I really do have someone to test for us!
LiquidMetal14
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Haven't tried that yet. I don't know if we have a guinea pig who is willing to test. Or maybe someone who just wants to get rid of one of the downloaded games can test.
I will test this for you. Give me 5 mins.
I was low on space and the Spyro games were big, so I just opted for Brave Story (which almost certainly WOULDN'T show back up if this were a mistake), R-Type Delta (tried to get R-Types but ran out of space) and Crash 2/3. If they can be restored from backup I'll be mildly disappointed with myself for not marathon downloading/deleting.
EDIT: Yeah, should've marathoned. Or at least got R-Types on, hopefully Crash and Spyro EVENTUALLY show up because not being there is the dumbest thing.
EDIT: Yeah, should've marathoned. Or at least got R-Types on, hopefully Crash and Spyro EVENTUALLY show up because not being there is the dumbest thing.
F5ing
Maybe if you were really F5ing rather than posting you'd have caught his first post.
this is how many people care about this
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=#VITAnoLicenseLock&src=typd
Alright so MGS: Portable Ops is currently downloading from my PC to my Vita. I'm going to assume it will play but I won't know for about 2 minutes:
Here's the thing: I had Portable Ops and the 3 Crash Bandicoot games on my PC between the time when they were downloadable from the PSN store and when they were taken down. I did not put them on my PC after the delisting from the PSN occurred. Whether that is a factor or not for whether your able to transfer these games from PC to the Vita I have no clue.
Here's the thing: I had Portable Ops and the 3 Crash Bandicoot games on my PC between the time when they were downloadable from the PSN store and when they were taken down. I did not put them on my PC after the delisting from the PSN occurred. Whether that is a factor or not for whether your able to transfer these games from PC to the Vita I have no clue.
Ok I'm trusting you enough that i will be transferring Phantasy Star Portable 2 to PC and back...
Gat dam 4gb card
I tired this with Crash 2 (US PSN) and it worked perfectly; copied all of my PS1/PSP games to PC via Content Manger and can copy them back-and-forth without any issues! If you got the games during this 'glitch' and have them on your Vita, its a good idea to back them up
.Edit: Here is proof in case people don't believe me
I tired this with Crash 2 (US PSN) and it worked perfectly; copied all of my PS1/PSP games to PC via Content Manger and can copy them back-and-forth without any issues! If you got the games during this 'glitch' and have them on your Vita, its a good idea to back them up
Thanks for doing the research! I'll back mine up soon. I bet it works via PS3 too.
smokeymicpot
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This is dumb really wish I could play Crash on my vita. Almost done with Spyro 1 and now want to do the Crash series. Fucking dumb how they won't allow it.