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I only follow Destructoid but I know they didI'm surprise none of the so called journalist or media portal websites have reported on this or did they? They should make a follow through.
I only follow Destructoid but I know they didI'm surprise none of the so called journalist or media portal websites have reported on this or did they? They should make a follow through.
Everyone - we should all tweet @yosp to let him know we want this compatibility restored. He commented on the compatibility in a seemingly positive way shortly after it happened. If enough of us bring it to his attention, we might at least get some kind of vaguely official response on the matter.
I'm surprised none of the so called journalists or media portal websites have reported on this or did they? They should make a follow through with Sony.
This entire argument is completely useless when the games were ALL DOWNLOADABLE AND PLAYABLE UNTIL LAST NIGHT. Its really more like running DOS stuff on Windows before 2K/XP anyway.No, that is ANDROID. It's the same Operating system.
No, that is WINDOWS. It's the same opperating system
No, that is LINUX. It's the same operating system
No, that is iOS. It's the same opperating system
Yes, the Vita is not the PSP2, it does not run PSP firmware. It is a new OS. It would not be grandfathered in with previous, different operating systems.
The closer analogy you are looking for is if I have bought games on a Nokia Symbian OS smartphone, and expect them to work on my Nokia Windows Phone OS smartphone. Would you expect them to work the same, even though the maker of the phone is the same?
No, that is ANDROID. It's the same Operating system.
No, that is WINDOWS. It's the same opperating system
No, that is LINUX. It's the same operating system
No, that is iOS. It's the same opperating system
Yes, the Vita is not the PSP2, it does not run PSP firmware. It is a new OS. It would not be grandfathered in with previous, different operating systems.
The closer analogy you are looking for is if I have bought games on a Nokia Symbian OS smartphone, and expect them to work on my Nokia Windows Phone OS smartphone. Would you expect them to work the same, even though the maker of the phone is the same?
This entire argument is completely useless when the games were ALL DOWNLOADABLE AND PLAYABLE UNTIL LAST NIGHT. Its really more like running DOS stuff on Windows before 2K/XP anyway.
It's all about the contracts and whatever deals they drafted up, and frustratingly it seems the deals were bum ones for forward compatibility. Which seems to happen frustratingly often and is why we don't see some of the games ever put up digitally.
androvsky said:Unless I'm missing something, Symbian games wouldn't run on Windows Phone. PSP games do run on the Vita, all of them, without modification. And they're all available through the same platform holder. The only effort required is to prevent them from being playable on the Vita.
yes
well let's ask Sony to look into this?
I mean #PS4noDRM did help them at the negotiating table right?
so let's try
#VITAnoLicenseLock
#EndLicenseLock
#FreeOurGamesOnVita
@yosp
@amboyes
@giocorsi
@shahidkamal
the point is not to blame Sony. as many have already said, they don't and can't control the entire license agreement. but with all the downloads from this glitch + if we make ourselves heard, I think Sony does have a good case to negotiate with the publishers to rethink about this
"hey look, gamers want this, people are willing to spend money to buy older games, shall we work things out?"
No, that is ANDROID. It's the same Operating system.
No, that is WINDOWS. It's the same opperating system
No, that is LINUX. It's the same operating system
No, that is iOS. It's the same opperating system
Yes, the Vita is not the PSP2, it does not run PSP firmware. It is a new OS. It would not be grandfathered in with previous, different operating systems.
The closer analogy you are looking for is if I have bought games on a Nokia Symbian OS smartphone, and expect them to work on my Nokia Windows Phone OS smartphone. Would you expect them to work the same, even though the maker of the phone is the same?
Everyone - we should all tweet @yosp to let him know we want this compatibility restored. He commented on the compatibility in a seemingly positive way shortly after it happened. If enough of us bring it to his attention, we might at least get some kind of vaguely official response on the matter.
I'm surprised none of the so called journalists or media portal websites have reported on this or did they? They should make a follow through with Sony.
I don't think that's particularly important so long as it can run perfectly, and it does, never mind PS3 compatibility for all PS1 games and only a handful of PSP exceptions. They probably drafted the agreements to be for system X and Y along with their revisions, and the Vita is a whole new platform capable of running X games but is system Z in this equation and thus needs to be resettled case by case. Any dumbass detail will be a hangup in a contract, not just OS.The argument was about licenses. Just because they work in the emulator doesn't mean sony has rights into perpetuity to sell it on other operating systems as they please.
If it is truly a licensing issue that is preventing these games from being made available on Vita, then Sony have arranged one of the least forward-thinking electronic distribution contract in industry history. This would be a colossal failure on Sony's part, considering that all other major entertainment platform holders (including Apple, Google, Amazon, and even Nintendo) aren't bound by such restrictions.
yes
well let's ask Sony to look into this?
I mean #PS4noDRM did help them at the negotiating table right?
so let's try
#VITAnoLicenseLock
#EndLicenseLock
#FreeOurGamesOnVita
@yosp
@amboyes
@giocorsi
@shahidkamal
the point is not to blame Sony. as many have already said, they don't and can't control the entire license agreement. but with all the downloads from this glitch + if we make ourselves heard, I think Sony does have a good case to negotiate with the publishers to rethink about this
"hey look, gamers want this, people are willing to spend money to buy older games, shall we work things out?"
If it's actually a third-party license issue, why are first-party games locked out?
GT is due to licensing issues with Car manufacturersIf it's actually a third-party license issue, why are first-party games locked out?
GT is due to licensing issues with Car manufacturers
Motorstorm has an exploit that can lead to CFW
Wipeout I'm not sure about, but back in the day, before the PSP had a web browser, you could modify your save file and access a basic web browser using that. I'm guessing because there is some chance of an exploit being found in it, Sony just decided to make it unavailable for Vota instead of risking more security exploits
Sony doesn't own the rights to every game on PSN so you can bet that anything that doesn't wholly belong to them is a licensing issue.
But that doesn't explain why games like Legend of Dragoon are locked out.
I thought Motorstorm's issue was fixed? They did relist games with fixed exploits as I recall, such as Hot Shots Tennis and Persona 2. Which leads to my next quoted post:GT is due to licensing issues with Car manufacturers
Motorstorm has an exploit that can lead to CFW
Wipeout I'm not sure about, but back in the day, before the PSP had a web browser, you could modify your save file and access a basic web browser using that. I'm guessing because there is some chance of an exploit being found in it, Sony just decided to make it unavailable for Vota instead of risking more security exploits
That even came post-Vita. Given the selections in other regions maybe SCEA really IS just that thick. Hopefully that "everything is available!" thing foreshadowed properly opening up at least a lot more games for Vita 2000 rather than some strange case of getting things right then fucking them back up.But that doesn't explain why games like Legend of Dragoon are locked out.
Legend of Dragoon was locked? I assume it was transferable from PS3, or are you talking about EU?
I thought Motorstorm's issue was fixed? They did relist games with fixed exploits as I recall, such as Hot Shots Tennis and Persona 2. Which leads to my next quoted post.
I hope hackers can identify what made games become compatible. Reason is because PSX games still cant be played on exploited VITAs running on PSP emulation, just native PSP games. Last I remember they (hackers) couldnt emulate sound output on PSX games.
But yea I give my blessing to hackers now. I normally hate it when they start peeking into the systems but with what Sony has done, I hope this leads to more hacks. (to let us play our legal backups obviously such as the titles not supported ala Brave Story/Crash etc)
The thing that disappoints me most about this reversal is that, in some cases, PSone classics actually performed better on Vita than they did on PS3.
Spyro 3, for instance, was the victim of all sorts of slowdown and music stuttering on PS3 (nothing game breaking, but definitely noticeable to anyone who played it on the original PS1 console). On Vita, however, performance was perfect as far as I could tell! It was a pleasant surprise.
Hmmm, you mean you can transfer that over from PS3 in the US?
Pretty sure I put it on my Vita shortly after I bought it. Barely ever played it because I didn't want to deal with transferring the save back and forth with the PS3 and deleted it to save space.
fake edit: yeah, I think it's transferable (or at least was)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/620272-playstation-vita/67776061
Great, someone that can test for us!So if I transfer the so called banned games from my vita to my pc, will I be able to transfer them back?
Ok I really do have someone to test for us!I will test this for you. Give me 5 mins.
So if I transfer the so called banned games from my vita to my pc, will I be able to transfer them back?
So if I transfer the so called banned games from my vita to my pc, will I be able to transfer them back?
F5ingI will test this for you. Give me 5 mins.
Maybe if you were really F5ing rather than posting you'd have caught his first post.F5ing
yes
well let's ask Sony to look into this?
I mean #PS4noDRM did help them at the negotiating table right?
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Ok I'm trusting you enough that i will be transferring Phantasy Star Portable 2 to PC and back...Portable Ops is working on my Vita after transferring from my PC.
So if I transfer the so called banned games from my vita to my pc, will I be able to transfer them back?
I tired this with Crash 2 (US PSN) and it worked perfectly; copied all of my PS1/PSP games to PC via Content Manger and can copy them back-and-forth without any issues! If you got the games during this 'glitch' and have them on your Vita, its a good idea to back them up .