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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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well, Red is also the color of hapzard and spontaneous inventiveness, whereas Green follows the doctrine of methodical and deliberate planning of it's patron, Urza
Joe Molotov
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Clearly the correct play is to build 5c Undying Fury, and cascade into all 4 other Final cards. Wipe the board, make a token, reset your life total, and steal a Heart of Kiran. They'll probably have to errata Undying Fury into a Mythic once they realize how powerful it is.
Red didn't even get its Tooth and Nail yet lol
Can't wait to see the 5c As Foretold deck that runs most/all of the Exert spells.
Red is tricky for the cycle. As sigma noted, you want the drawback to have some meaning, so granting effects that enable a win is a no go. (The released one at least requires some work/luck to make that happen) I probably would have gone for a one sided wheel effect, to get something more useful in red's, erm, wheelhouse while still avoiding the potentially game winning extra combat steps/through the breach or sneak attack effect/burn/etc. mechanics that are traditional red hallmarks. Something like:
2R Hazoret's Final Gambit
Discard your hand. Draw x cards, where x is the number of cards discarded this way plus 3. Lands you control don't untap next turn.
Red is tricky for the cycle. As sigma noted, you want the drawback to have some meaning, so granting effects that enable a win is a no go. (The released one at least requires some work/luck to make that happen) I probably would have gone for a one sided wheel effect, to get something more useful in red's, erm, wheelhouse while still avoiding the potentially game winning extra combat steps/through the breach or sneak attack effect/burn/etc. mechanics that are traditional red hallmarks. Something like:
2R Hazoret's Final Gambit
Discard your hand. Draw x cards, where x is the number of cards discarded this way plus 3. Lands you control don't untap next turn.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
do you mean a red sorcery that wins the game on the spot in EDH?
Because red got this
Vizier of the Anointed 3U
Creature - Human Cleric (U)
When ~ enters the battlefied, search your library for a card with Embalm or Eternalize, put it in your graveyard, then shuffle your library.
Whenever you Eternalize or Embalm, draw a card.
2/4
Seems decent as a mass reanimator/clone spell
These cards should not be in blue outside of Innistrad block. What the hell, WotC.
It's the same bend they do in Innistrad. WU are the embalm colors and UBR are the eternalize colors; blue is the only overlap, so they give it shenanigans to fit the limited environment. I doubt any of these will see play outside of limited.
http://ew.com/gaming/2017/06/28/mag...l&xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
[EDIT] Santiako got it.
[EDIT] Santiako got it.
Combined with the preemptive shuffle, that scenario is so unlikely that I'm pretty sure it'll never pop up outside of someone cheesing it with Doomsday or the like.
Realistically speaking, I'd say WotC succeeded in making sure none of these win the game the turn they are played.
Edit: I'm surprised that Merciless Eternal doesn't have a "once per turn" rider on its pump ability. Sure it costs 3 each time, but late game when you've got nothing but lands in your hand and I'd be perfectly willing to pitch two and pay 6 to either deal 6 to the face or kill something big.
Infinite Stars
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Ajani realized that the only reason why he beat Bolas before was because he cast Deflecting Palm during a time when he was unaware.
He basically told the Gatewatch "Get as many allies as we can to help us, because we're going to need them fighting on Bolas' turf". He advised for everyone to meet back at Dominaria in a month, only for the Gatewatch to pull a Leeroy Jenkins and fuck everything up.
You ain't kidding. That flavor text is kind of insulting to be honest.
Afflict is going to continue to make blocking terrible in Amonkhet limited. Afflict creatures, like exert ones, want to be pretty much constantly attacking.
I did a quick perusal of creatures in standard following the eternalize anything spoiler and, while it doesn't break anything in half, there are a few creatures that get a bit of extra mileage out of it:
Rhonas and Lambholt Pacifist are fans of it as well. Maybe there's something that can be done with it in UG?
Afflict is going to continue to make blocking terrible in Amonkhet limited. Afflict creatures, like exert ones, want to be pretty much constantly attacking.
I did a quick perusal of creatures in standard following the eternalize anything spoiler and, while it doesn't break anything in half, there are a few creatures that get a bit of extra mileage out of it:
Rhonas and Lambholt Pacifist are fans of it as well. Maybe there's something that can be done with it in UG?
SigmasonicX
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The issue with the flavor text is that they are using it to depict the more obvious parts of the story. And to be fair, apparently the vast majority of players are only aware of the story from the actual cards. Still, they could definitely do better making the flavor text informative and interesting.
Like I suspected, blue afflict cards use it more as pseudo-unblockable.
Like I suspected, blue afflict cards use it more as pseudo-unblockable.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Let's see about that.
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4x Flame Lash
4x Fleetwheel Cruiser
4x Crocodile of the Crossing
4x Dust Stalker
4x Glorybringer
4x Goldnight Castigator
4x Incorrigible Youths
4x Impetous Devils
4x Reality Smasher
4x consuming sinkhole
4x hazoret's whatever
26x MountainAngry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You ain't kidding. That flavor text is kind of insulting to be honest.
Afflict is going to continue to make blocking terrible in Amonkhet limited. Afflict creatures, like exert ones, want to be pretty much constantly attacking.
I did a quick perusal of creatures in standard following the eternalize anything spoiler and, while it doesn't break anything in half, there are a few creatures that get a bit of extra mileage out of it:
Rhonas and Lambholt Pacifist are fans of it as well. Maybe there's something that can be done with it in UG?
Eternalized 7/7 Marionette Master with Tezzeret a couple of Etherium tokens, deal 14. This is actually a pretty gross combo if Ixalan's treasure creating stuff is any good - if you have as few as three of those tokens your opponent just dies.
I'm not saying there's not justification for it. I'm saying it's dumb.
Simply Sarah
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Ah yes, if you run a deck that probably dies before it can cast the spell you might be able to break even on mana sunk into it!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You're not even highlighting how truly terrible it is.
Realistically you still have to do somwhere beween 8 and 12 damage before casting Hazoret's Triumph or whatever. 26 Lands + 3 Hazorets is a 50% chance to whiff per card, obviously different figure on turn 6. With 6 pands out and 12 to 13 cards drawn.
No, I mean a toolbox that singlehandedly gains enough value for you to win the game. In constructed.
White: Lin Sivvi, Stoneforge Mystic
Black: Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Bargain, Ad Nauseum
Blue: Mind Over Matter, JTMS
Green: Aluren, Survival of the Fittest, Tooth and Nail
The only red card I can think of is Pyromancer's Ascension.
Moggcatcher, Goblin Matron, Goblin Recruiter. They are goblin-based, but they still count. Recruiter is even banned in Legacy.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
At this point I think we can safely rename the thread.
Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Disappointment
Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Disappointment
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
past in flames?
Oh, there just might be enough to build around here. I'll take a look now, but I think your call about the Ixalan treasure tokens might be right in the end.
And, also, I left out one card that it's pretty hilarious with the eternalize sorcery:
Yeah, sounds enticing if Treasure tokens are easy to come by. The only thing that makes me wary is that triple-U mana cost for the Eternalize spell. God, why couldn't it be XXUB or something. Anything other than triple-U.
You ain't kidding. That flavor text is kind of insulting to be honest.
Afflict is going to continue to make blocking terrible in Amonkhet limited. Afflict creatures, like exert ones, want to be pretty much constantly attacking.
I did a quick perusal of creatures in standard following the eternalize anything spoiler and, while it doesn't break anything in half, there are a few creatures that get a bit of extra mileage out of it:
Rhonas and Lambholt Pacifist are fans of it as well. Maybe there's something that can be done with it in UG?
Eternity + Anointed Procession + Temmet = 2 4/4s that pump themselves to 5/5 and unblockable.
Even though cycling was in all color, it was focused in Grixis; now that's eternalize, so odds are we'll have more ways to discard card in those colors and fewer straight up cycling cards.Where are all the cycling cards? There are so little
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Temmet is legendary; you can only have 1 in play at a time.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
the tokens are legendary and have a name.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Hour of Eternity is like the only interesting card in the whole set
damn, this set sucks!
From a constructed POV, yeah, it's a very boring set. It's not making any archetypes or anything, that's for sure.
But it looks awesome for limited and EDH for what it's worth.
You dont like Mirage Mirror?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, it's a trainwreck.
The primary combat mechanics are recursion, exert and afflict, all of which encourage you to never block. Limited is probably just going to revolve around whoever curves out much like OG Zendikar did.
Mirage mirror is neatneat.
Imperfected
Member
I actually like Hezzie's Hizzie. Yes, the danger of bricking means you don't just cast it willy-nilly, but it's actually a proper, attractive last desperation card. If you're dead on board anyway it's one of the few cards with a non-zero chance of putting you back in the game, and in that scenario who cares if you're risking a blow-out?
It's 6 CMC in red, you aren't generally going to be casting it on anything other than the last turn of the game, one way or the other.
It's 6 CMC in red, you aren't generally going to be casting it on anything other than the last turn of the game, one way or the other.
Hollow one says hello.
Simply Sarah
Member
I mean, it's probably a desperation card because you're playing it in place of a potentially good card.
Imperfected
Member
I don't know, I'd be tempted to run one in a sideboard just in case I run up against some durdly early-round deck that I wasn't expecting and have nothing else for. You can't always have the right card for every situation no matter how well you sculpt your deck, but sometimes 2-3 of the not-right cards can get the job done.
Joe Molotov
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