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Marvel comments on X-Men/Fantastic Four in MvC:Infinite, game will have DLC for years
- Thread starter Nirolak
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I think games that have a ton of content to start then gettting support is different from not launching with fan favorite characters in lieu of adding them later as dlc
TRUE ORDER
Member
They'll need a good strategy to win people back over.
Hopefully the characters picked for DLC are some of the top requested.
Hopefully the characters picked for DLC are some of the top requested.
It would help diversify their roster by adding mentally disabled characters at least.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Depends on what form that support takes. A tiny roster and a drip feed of characters isn't really what I'd call sterling support right out of the gate.
Orochinagis
Member
I dont mind the constant support but via paid DLC sounds bad
Season 1, Season 2, Season 3..
Season 1, Season 2, Season 3..
Its like on one hand, I'm happy that this will suppsedly get support for years to come unlike UMVC3 on the other hand, I just don't think its cool at all to not have at least some not all of the X-Men fan favorites at launch. Its not even really a great compromise because folks who like X-men will essentially have to open their wallets again just to have some of the characters they would have liked at launch.
Let me put it this way. When Capcom canceled that Mega Man Legends game on the DS, stopped making DMC games after DmC or refuse to localize a game, is there a ban on those IP or just Capcom being stubborn and foolish?
It was likely either DLC or no X-Men at all. Capcom probably didn't have a choice on that front, & they can't really throw Marvel under the bus by outright saying it's Marvel's fault.
Yeah, & they chose not to let the Fox characters in. We just started to see this change for the mobile games, & we have the likes of Lego Marvel 2 also being impacted by this bullshit.
Iced Arcade
Member
sounds a lot like "we have a lot more characters instead"
sixteen-bit
Member
Same. Got DBZ to play in the mean time, anyway.
Definately not laying any blame at Capcom on this and I understand completely the rock and a hard place that folks like Combofiend and other Capcom reps and employees are in. Capcom has plenty of crap they're repsonsible for, but this ones definately got Marvel written all over it.
captianpants
Neo Member
yeah I got to much money, I'm sick of it
Not really. It's the most feature-packed fighting game Capcom has ever made - pretty much the opposite of what SFV got grilled for.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
If it's anything like SFV there isn't gonna be a "Complete" version.
I doubt it's the most feature packed. Saying it'll be more feature packed than SFV isn't much of a challenge, either.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
This game is still a hard pass for me.
What are you doubting, exactly? That the modes they continue to talk about being in the game don't exist? (unlike SFV/MvC3 where they went mum about them mid-way through development?)
Yep, just some light discounts months to a year down the line.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Of course the shittiest looking Capcom fighter in over a decade will be the one that gets support for years. Sigh.
Skilletor, you've heard this thought expressed in the other thread too, so I don't see how it's still insane to you.
I sell you a game with 48 characters for $40 [UMvC3], based on a game with 36 original characters that I sold you for $60.
Years later, I sell you another game for $60, with a lot less characters, a lot of them being characters reused from the old game and characters you didn't ask for, and a portion of the popular characters missing (X-Men). I then promise that I will support the game by selling you popular new and returning characters that you wanted, but in exchange for more money.
Technically releasing an overpriced, anaemic product and then padding it with dlc is support, but nothing that should be commended. People are not complaining about the support they're complaining about how shamefully exploitative the dlc plans are.
You're not daft man. Stop acting like it.
spyroflame0487
Member
So basically "You'll get the X-Men and the FF in the game whenever we get the rights back" lmao
In seriousness though, I still totally understand where they're coming from with not wanting to promote things they're not really getting a profit on (ie, in this case things like X-Men and FF movies) I'm really surprised they're pushing X-Men comics out now, but I guess with the Inhumans pushing being really poor, they have to go back to their backlog now.
In seriousness though, I still totally understand where they're coming from with not wanting to promote things they're not really getting a profit on (ie, in this case things like X-Men and FF movies) I'm really surprised they're pushing X-Men comics out now, but I guess with the Inhumans pushing being really poor, they have to go back to their backlog now.
gate stormer
Member
The art style in this game doesn't sit well with me for some reason.
People keep saying they don't have the rights, but that's not true right? Marvel/Disney own the licensing rights to all Marvel characters, don't they? The most likely reason in that case would be Marvel just doesn't want to promote characters owned by the Fox Film division as competition, which is shitty to have that carry over to the game world.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
No berserker barrage in the base game, no buy.
I'm not against DLC characters but this game already looks like it doesn't deserve to be full price.
I'm not against DLC characters but this game already looks like it doesn't deserve to be full price.
crimzonflame
Member
Remember Rival Schools came with two disks!
No, "Ganes as Service" is a toxic and shit model that literally poisons virtually every single franchise it touches. Ganes aren't services, they are fucking games. The model deliberately has developers focus on extracting the most money out of consumers as possible rather thab actually work on things that players care about such as balance changes, netcode, and various QOL features. Unfortunately, there is no money in these things, but there's tons in costume and stage DLC... "Games as Service" is the disease, not the cure.
SFV "upgrade" kidel should make anyone be against this shit. Revision releases are far from perfect but are far superior to this season pass crap. Only Iron Galaxy can seem to handle it.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Not buying MVCI, but this ain't a reason why. I understand the disappointment from fans of the characters (of which I consider myself one of the biggest), but *shrug*
I get it.
I get it.
crimzonflame
Member
Imagine if EA released a new Madden without the Patriots and the Cowboys and said that they would we available later as dlc. I dont mind dlc but Marvel fucked up by not allowing their most popular characters in the base roster.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, it's not like he can publicly admit the existence of the Perlmutter-imposed X-Men/FF licensing ban. No one from Marvel is allowed to, even though it's obvious from the outside.
It's not Ong's fault that the ban was only lifted (or at least significantly relaxed) after it was probably too late to change the launch roster.
Considering even recent Marvel games (Contest of Champions, Future Fight, Marvel Heroes Omega, etc.) have X-Men characters, why do people automatically assume they would never be in this game?
Marvel will obviously prioritizing heroes that are in their films and whatnot, but prioritizing does not mean "trying to snuff out every other character in a petty case of corporate rivalry".
How many years have we been through fans panicking because Wolverine isn't shown front and center in every piece of Marvel media?
Marvel will obviously prioritizing heroes that are in their films and whatnot, but prioritizing does not mean "trying to snuff out every other character in a petty case of corporate rivalry".
How many years have we been through fans panicking because Wolverine isn't shown front and center in every piece of Marvel media?
Future Fight has been out for more than two years and is only just now getting X-Men characters. How can you honestly say that isn't because of corporate meddling?
Marvel has literally Photoshopped X-Men and Fantastic Four characters out of old artwork on posters and T-shirts released in the last five years.
People aren't panicking because Wolverine isn't front and center -- they're panicking because he isn't in the base game at all. This is Wolverine we're talking about, the character who served as the face of Marvel for two decades, just starred in a critically acclaimed movie, and has appeared in every Capcom-developed Marvel fighter ever made. There's no reason for him to not be in this game other than corporate pettiness.
"Games as a service" isn't inherently bad. There are some games with good execution like Dota 2.
Game as a service was once synonymous with F2P, but unfortunately it seems like it is now being used by companies to sell full priced games with F2P revenue models.
You'd think this moniker would fit Overwatch, but it doesn't. Blizzard has never referred to Overwatch as a game as a service, probably due to all gameplay affecting DLC being free and only cosmetics being paid.
Meanwhile every other company uses this term to put a positive spin on "you're going to be paying for this game for a long, long time if you want the full experience".
Game as a service was once synonymous with F2P, but unfortunately it seems like it is now being used by companies to sell full priced games with F2P revenue models.
You'd think this moniker would fit Overwatch, but it doesn't. Blizzard has never referred to Overwatch as a game as a service, probably due to all gameplay affecting DLC being free and only cosmetics being paid.
Meanwhile every other company uses this term to put a positive spin on "you're going to be paying for this game for a long, long time if you want the full experience".
Turbanator
Member
It most certainly does. Overwatch is one of the best examples of a paid "game as a service" done right. Regular free gameplay content, incentive to pay more money without feeling ripped off (lootboxes), and regular and transparent communication. In fact, I feel like plenty of shooters have been doing this right recently: Titanfall 2, Battlefront 2, Halo 5, etc.
The problem is that this is a very difficult system to properly implement in a fighter because profits are much lower (lower sales), content is far more expensive to create (fighting game characters are some of the most costly and time-consuming pieces of "content" in the industry), and the general genre's audience is the closest to the competitive market in the industry, making even the slightest balance changes or non-conventional mechanics controversial.
Blizzard literally only makes service games.
This is also true of Activision if we're willing to ignore Crash.
The 2017 character pass contains 6 characters and costs $30, so that's at least $5 per character. This is going to be a very expensive game.
Turbanator
Member
They're almost definitely going the SFV route with pricing. $6 characters, $4 costumes and stages. Maybe lower the price on the latter two due to FM no longer being an option.
RecRoulette
Member
MvC Infinite doesn't need Magneto though, you have Nova and Captain Marvel.
I get that it's their way to talk around "Marvel says no." but man, that's a hell of a spin
I get that it's their way to talk around "Marvel says no." but man, that's a hell of a spin
The prices are probably gonna lower since, as you said, Fight Money won't be a thing in MvCI.