Jawmuncher
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I guess, but that doesn't change the fact that combo links aren't exactly easy either.
Most people who play these games aren't going past knowing what inputs does a special attacks and not much else.
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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I guess, but that doesn't change the fact that combo links aren't exactly easy either.
Most people who play these games aren't going past knowing what inputs does a special attacks and not much else.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Marvel and Fox are somewhat not friendly, but cooperating at the moment. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but Marvel letting Fox make Legion and other X-Men shows seems to be an indicator that they've come to some sort of agreement.
2v2 for more accessibility I get and honestly I prefer it.
But losing assists feels less accessible and more the illusion of accessibility. Now you can't rely on an assist, now you have to GIT GUD at two characters and be at the top of your game all the time and effortlessly flow combos in between them, rather than having Ryu shoot off a hadoken so you can continue your combo.
That isn't because the complaint itself went away, it's because we still dont know shit about the game really, and people moved on to the next new news.
E3 cant get here soon enough.
I agree completely. I have no issues with 2v2, but no assists really bother me.
No assists takes away a huge synergy aspect to the games as well as the flavor, pace and style of the games.
Now the game is more similar to a SFxT with better mobility/combo options.
Easily the worst decision made in the game thus far and has put a big damper on my hype for the game.
Now the game is more similar to a SFxT with better mobility/combo options.
Easily the worst decision made in the game thus far and has put a big damper on my hype for the game.
If I recall, Fox always had the live action TV rights to the X-Men. It's just that Marvel has to sign off on the show.
That said, I hope that it, Gifted, & Resurrxion are a sign that the X-Men may come back in future games & cartoons (MvCI included).
no assists is going to deeply change the design of characters. there better not be characters like magneto or vergil if other characters don't each have tools to deal with their crap. i doubt capcom is going to make all the characters unique so i'm sure he will have many s tier characters from the start.
Yeah that's another major problem.
I think they just decided to start cutting shit in the name of accessibility and didn't think it through. TBH I would not be shocked if we did end up seeing assists return in some capacity. It's not like you can use a dedicated assist in 2v2 anyway; that's gimping half your team.
It was confirmed by Marvel & Capcom at PSX. It's not a rumor.
It isn't a rumor, it was part of the details when they announced the game. 2v2, no assists, infinity gems acting as sort of an x-factor style system, but have also been labeled as "more like cvs2s groove system." What that means exactly, we don't know yet. Other than "each stone will grant one ability that can be activated at any time, and one stronger ability will be more rare."
It's how the character is now. Characters do change permanently at times and even if they revert him back I don't think being a Nazi is something you should just be able to ignore and move on from.
Hank Pym hit his wife one time due to a miscommunication between the written and artist and has never been forgiven for it. Despite the way the justified the character change for Steve, I think this should be like that and be something permanently changing the character.
You seem to be overlooking (or possibly ignoring) what I'm actually saying. I don't have an issue with him being in the game, I have an issue with him being in the game as a hero. I don't follow Injustice or DC comics very closely but from the bit I've played of the first game off PS Plus, I'm going to guess he's probably not going to be a hero in Injustice 2 and if he is what he did in the first game isn't going to be handwaved. If he is that's pretty stupid but I take less issue with it because it's not attached to a real organization which committed genocide.
Your argument regarding different versions of the characters isn't without merit but the one in MVC is going to be based off the mainline version.
Ultimately what I'm saying isn't "they can't include this character because I don't like (aspect of character)", I'm saying that I don't like the way they are implementing the character because the way they changed the character should have permanent consequences and shouldn't have been done if they were just going to move on and pretend it never happened.
Ultimately we don't really know how it's going to turn out. I'll be the first to admit that the game being 2v2 rather than 3v3 and a lack of assists is a bummer.
I like being able to play more characters and building teams to work off synergy is something I found to be really enjoyable in the previous games. Also assists can cover character weaknesses and results in more viable characters.
For better or worse, they have a vision for this game and hopefully it will result in a game that is unique, fun and still feels like it benefits from being a versus game. I'm holding off on judging it based on what it's not going to be like and I'll make my judgement when we see what it actually turns out to be.
The amount of tools characters have, the movement options and the type of sub mechanics the game has is what will ultimately make or break the game for me. I'm a big fan of X-Men vs Street Fighter so 2v2 and no assists is a great thing IMO.. as long as they expand on other parts of the game. What makes XvSF so good is that it hits a good middle ground between methodical neutral gameplay and dumb capcom marvel crazyness.
If they're going back to 2v2/no assists AND also simplifying characters and sub-mechanics then the game will be a disaster lol
What gives me hope is that this is being made in house at capcom and the man directing this game was also a lead developer on XvSF.
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If they're going back to 2v2/no assists AND also simplifying characters and sub-mechanics then the game will be a disaster lol
What gives me hope is that this is being made in house at capcom and the man directing this game was also a lead developer on XvSF.
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So here's a fun little game; what minute thing are you inexplicably worried Capcom will utterly ruin in this?
Mine are:
- No Character themes.
- No special team intros.
- Two panel character artwork endings again (a joke needs to have three beats!)
- No character interactions in the slightest.
Oh and here's a biggun; no fucking Survival and Time Attack modes. That shit should be mandatory in fighting games. A Challenge Tower like MKX and more refined Mission mode would be nice too.
Mine are:
- No Character themes.
- No special team intros.
- Two panel character artwork endings again (a joke needs to have three beats!)
- No character interactions in the slightest.
Oh and here's a biggun; no fucking Survival and Time Attack modes. That shit should be mandatory in fighting games. A Challenge Tower like MKX and more refined Mission mode would be nice too.
To be fair, two-panel endings would be less of an issue now that there's a Cinematic Story Mode coming.
Jawmuncher
Member
If none of the characters I want are in this game, capcom has failed.
They already took RE7 from me, I demand satisfaction.
They already took RE7 from me, I demand satisfaction.
Seven Force
Banned
No character themes would be tragic, though if the stage themes are as godlike as TvC:UAS' themes, I wouldn't mind as much.
Fright Zone
Member
Agree with this. I actually preferred the core gameplay of XvSF compared to MvC2/3 as I just found multiple assists too much to get my head around, so I'm cautiously optimistic about them returning to 2v2, shame they'll never return to a 6 button SF layout though.
I dunno. I've waited too long for the likes of X to get into a MvC, to not finally have one of his songs remixed! Having a good soundtrack with new and good renditions of character themes is the kind of easy lay up that I'd expect, at this point.
eggandI said:
And as someone whose favorite game in the series is MSH, this is pretty much where I am, too.
I am definitely interested in seeing how the Gems will play out. The last bit we heard said it could be anything ranging from a Groove-like system to even effectively being the "third character/assist" on your team. Either way, I'd be down if they found a way to make "synergy" work in a different way.
Poltergust
Member
I think they are aiming for accessibility in this entry, so I can't imagine it being any more complex than UMvC3's button configuration.
sixteen-bit
Member
I could see them going 4 button like TvC
Seven Force
Banned
Oh, definitely. I'm really hoping he gets a remix of Central Highway or Sky Lagoon.
I think MvC3 handled things rather well there, being able to switch between character themes and stage themes.
Agreed, as even I will admit that a few of the stage themes were pretty good (even if they didn't quite beat TvC:UAS's).
As for X's ideal song...I'm torn between either Central Highway or X2's Intro Song. Dunno if it's truly the song's name, but I've heard it called "The Mavericks' Last Stand".
DerekOfTheDykes
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Alright, that's a bit more nuanced than I was picking up at first, so thank you for the elaboration. Respectfully, I still think it's making a bigger deal out of the current plot twist than it is worth.
Cap is Hydra right now because the cosmic cube literally altered history, which means that depending on how you look at it the current Steve Rogers in the comics is more akin to an alternate reality version of Steve Rogers. And in all likelihood, history will just get re-rewritten sloppily to undo all of this at the end.
The Captain America we get in MvC won't be a straight export of the comics cap, he's just a generic Kroger-brand Captain America based on the most common recurring traits of the character, so it isn't like the game is going to excuse or justify (or probably even mention) his brief stint as Hydra.
I feel like I understand your position a little better, I just don't think the logic follows that because this Cap is inspired by comics Cap that a shitty temporary plot twist makes treating him as a hero inherently problematic (especially when, again, historical revision makes Hydra Cap basically a completely different entity, depending on how you view Marvel's abysmal plot fuckery).
I've been thinking about this for a few days, but I wonder if "accessibility" doesn't necessarily mean "make the metagame easier for normies" but "make it easier for standard fighting game skills to transfer to MvC".
Because I know a lot of guys who are great at games like Street Fighter and Guilty Gear, but then the assists in MvC change the game so much that those fundamentals don't really prepare them for what actual meta play is like.
I mean, casual players never touched the depths of the assist system, and they'll be there more for the story mode and some couch multiplayer than any real competitive scene. Capcom MUST know that.
Regardless, I agree that removing the assists is going to drastically change the way characters are designed, but that's something I am 100% sure Capcom understands. We're not going to see MvC3 Viewtiful Joe vs MvC3 Magneto, returning characters will DEFINITELY be reworked.
Between Tags and Stones I think you'll need more than four buttons.
Doctrine Dark
Member
I'd rather them go with the LP, LK, HP, HK layout, or the six button layout. The LMH layout was cool for what it was, but I don't want it to return.
Given Maximillian's interpretation of the footage it probably will be LP-LK-HP-HK-Tag-Stone.
I guess it's possible they do LMHS as a four button layout. S to tag and LMH to activate the stone. I might prefer that.
TvC had tags and Baroque, and that worked fine for the most part.
Yeah TvC had S for assists Back-S for swapping. It'll probably be the same here with assists replaced with Tagging
I forget how Baroque activated. Come to think of it there probably will be a dedicated Stone button since they seem to have actual attacks to them now.
If you stopped being so demanding, you'd start to see the things around you are actually pretty damn good.
Jawmuncher
Member
Things are good, they're just not my kind of good.
Jawmuncher
Member
Hey now, I don't like Dino Crisis 3.
I'll defend RE6 though.
That's all the evidence you need on my taste in games.
direct_quote
Member
But you picked Asura over Gene...
Jawmuncher
Member
AND ID DO IT AGAIN!
Though I did say my main 3 for capcom were Regina, Asura, and Gene
DerekOfTheDykes
Member
I'm still in agreement with Max's interpretation right now. 6 button, LP-HP-LK-HK-TAG-STONE.
It's plenty simple for a fightstick, and fits well on a gamepad too if you assume Tag and Stone will be L1/L2 with the Rs saved for All Punch and All Kick. And I do think it makes sense given what little we've seen of the characters' attack strings, Ryu in particular.
It's plenty simple for a fightstick, and fits well on a gamepad too if you assume Tag and Stone will be L1/L2 with the Rs saved for All Punch and All Kick. And I do think it makes sense given what little we've seen of the characters' attack strings, Ryu in particular.
It's usually the R's that are used for heavy attacks, with the L's being all punches & all kicks.
Poltergust
Member
I always change this up so that L1 is HP, L2 is LMHP, R1 is HK, and R2 is LMHK.
I wish it was defaulted like that. I associate punches and kicks as a left-right sort of thing on the controller rather than up-down. It's also consistent through the button shapes.
sixteen-bit
Member
DerekOfTheDykes
Member
Yeah, in Street Fighter, where you have three levels of punch and kick. But if this is only low and high, with no medium, then the all punch and all kick could be put on the Rs. That's how it was for console ports of MvC2, and MvC3 used R2 for all attack.
Regardless, it'll be remappable no matter what the control scheme is, and most serious players will use fightsticks anyway.
Jawmuncher
Member
Good Riddance Nero!
Personally, I'm okay with no Nero. Just give me Dante, and I'll be good. Trish, Vergil or even Lady would be bonuses.
And platinum bonus would be DmC Dante.
Stallion Dan
Member
SNES style.
Good Riddance Nero!
Check the thread again, the rumor was an April Fool's joke.
sixteen-bit
Member
So you're saying there's a chance
Jawmuncher
Member
Man, I was ready to throw a party and everything.