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marvelous entertainment airing out grievances over wii game sales
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GhaleonQ
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And it's not like they're putting out counterintuitively "badass" or violent games. They're hitting the Wii aesthetic really well. Little King's Story sums up so much about Japanese game design and the Wii itself. They should have success.
Seriously. All of you whining for Pikmin 3 had better get yourselves copies. Marvelous/Kimura and company deserve hits!
CTLance said:
Seriously. All of you whining for Pikmin 3 had better get yourselves copies. Marvelous/Kimura and company deserve hits!
Shin Johnpv
Member
I bought NMH here. I plan on buying Muramasa and possibly Arc Rise when they come out. Little King Story doesn't interest me though. I hope these guys stay in business cause I like what they publish.
Hero of Legend
Member
MMV and RSG/XSEED need to look at what made NHM a success (outside Japan of course) and mimic what they did for their other games.
Whatever they're doing now isn't working so much...
Then again, there's only HM ToT, RFF, and LKS out of Japan.
Has RSG really been advertising LKS? They do a lot of promotion online it seems, with it's own blog, exclusive videos, etc.
What did they do for NMH?
Do we know for certain if RFF hasn't been doing so well in NA? Everywhere I see the game it's still full price.
Not sure about Harvest Moon ToT, it's only been out for a little over half a year right? It's not even that good isn't it? I skipped it figuring Animal Parade would come out which seems a lot better.
I'm buying Little King's Story for sure when it comes out, as long as I have the money at the time. Reel Fishing will be a rental because I believe it's sadly going to be under par, unless reviews magically say otherwise.
Muramasa and Arc Rise, day 1 if possible too.
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga is also up there, it's even $40 according to EBGames!
Animal Parade still looks good, but I'll probably rent it first.
My Little Shop will have to wait, I can't connect online right now due to a lock on the wireless router.
Whatever they're doing now isn't working so much...
Then again, there's only HM ToT, RFF, and LKS out of Japan.
Has RSG really been advertising LKS? They do a lot of promotion online it seems, with it's own blog, exclusive videos, etc.
What did they do for NMH?
Do we know for certain if RFF hasn't been doing so well in NA? Everywhere I see the game it's still full price.
Not sure about Harvest Moon ToT, it's only been out for a little over half a year right? It's not even that good isn't it? I skipped it figuring Animal Parade would come out which seems a lot better.
I'm buying Little King's Story for sure when it comes out, as long as I have the money at the time. Reel Fishing will be a rental because I believe it's sadly going to be under par, unless reviews magically say otherwise.
Muramasa and Arc Rise, day 1 if possible too.
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga is also up there, it's even $40 according to EBGames!
Animal Parade still looks good, but I'll probably rent it first.
My Little Shop will have to wait, I can't connect online right now due to a lock on the wireless router.
AceBandage
Banned
Zen said:Well I'll be getting No More Heroes 2, I bought Grim Grimoire as well. I feel bad for the guys but I don't exactly have the spare change to support them just for the sake of it. Hopefully they kick ass!
EDIT: I don't even know what Little Kings Story is.
Cross between Actraiser and Pikmin.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
But the writer also adds that despite the current bad market, games that sell are still selling really well, so its probably just a lack of ability on Marvelous Entertainments part.
Why did you exclude this part in the bolded TC especially when it was a continuation of the statement?
Yeah but games that sell are also games that are tens of millions of dollars with huge exposure and marketting budgets... I don't think it's fair of him to blame himself as having a 'lack of ability' they just need to be smarter about how they market there titles on a limited budget. I was under the impression taht the internet did most of the marketting for No More Heroes.
I mean NMH is a sucess only because of its unique financial position, not because of how much it sold relative to the norm (very little).
I mean NMH is a sucess only because of its unique financial position, not because of how much it sold relative to the norm (very little).
GhaleonQ
Member
Zen said:
An art game company split into 3 commercial-oriented ones, reunited for 1 game with staff from Square-Enix, Nintendo, Marvelous, and Cing, with redone classical music by the composers from Kingdom Hearts and Skies Of Arcadia. Its humor is simultaneously charming and slightly peculiar, like Chibi-Robo mixed with Incredible Crisis. It's a story-based game with Pikmin-like strategy, puzzle-like bosses, and RPG/Animal Crossing-like villager development. It's undeniably charming in every respect.
It's also the best Wii game ever (I think) and certainly the best game of this year.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Flying_Phoenix said:
Because this is neogaf.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
How is Steal Princess anyway? I've been curious about it, but there are so many other games I want to get on DS that I passed it up.Emotions said:I did my part... i picked up Rune Factory Frontier, Rune Factory 1 and 2, Steal Princess,
HM Tree of Tranquility, No More Heroes, Flower Sun & Rain,HM Island of Happiness, HM DS and Cute, Lux-Pain,Valhalla Knights 1& 2, Innocent Life (PSP) and HM Boy & Girl
Picking up when out... Muramasa,Little King's,Arc Rise Fantasia, Valhalla Elder Saga,Reel Fishing Angler's Dream, HM Animal Parade, HM Sunshine Islands, HM My little Shop and HM Sugartown.
Go Marvelous Go
I'm gonna pick up Arc Rise Fantasia when it comes out in English. I've been recommending it to my friends and students who own a Wii and have been wanting new games to play as well. I would have picked up the Japanese version, but I've been doing too much double dipping as of late and the wife is getting on my case about it. Heh, heh.
The Wii market in Japan is pretty horrible right now, so I can see his point, but I hope they keep trying because that's the only way they can really build a good core audience on the platform. Of course, help from the big publishers wouldn't hurt, either.
The Wii market in Japan is pretty horrible right now, so I can see his point, but I hope they keep trying because that's the only way they can really build a good core audience on the platform. Of course, help from the big publishers wouldn't hurt, either.
EDarkness said:
It's not just the Wii market. The Japanese market refuses to buy new IPs. It;s borderline insane at this point how, for the most part, they will only buy sequels or gaiden titles. It's not a surprise, considering this information, how the number 1 market for video games for decades has become 3 in recent years.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
MoogPaul said:
The Japanese market hasn't really been buying much of anything lately.
Eteric Rice
Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/marketing-rules-wii-not-quality-report
Another developer comments on the Wii. Says unless you have serious money to market your games, it's not worth it.
But then, don't most of the big HD games have big ad campaigns?
Another developer comments on the Wii. Says unless you have serious money to market your games, it's not worth it.
But then, don't most of the big HD games have big ad campaigns?
AceBandage
Banned
Eteric Rice said:
Marketing has ALWAYS been the key factor in game sales.
It's why you can sell crap games, and why great games fail.
Not sure why publishers are just starting to figure this out, when it's been common knowledge for years.
rollingstart
Banned
Why does it cost twice as much to make a PSP game than a PS2 game? is it just because of the costs Sony talked about dropping 80% at E3?
Hero of Legend
Member
Linkzg said:
I think it mostly has to do with the PS2 being far older. Thus development costs must've divebombed over time.
Drinky Crow
Banned
hey marvelous: real gamers don't own a wii. we value hardware progress, not novelty controls. buy a ps3 or 360 devkit.
THIS!!
So many people around here are constantly slamming Gamestop and not preordering games because they don't want to give anything to Gamestop....then you see them complaining about how the game is rare, or they received only 1 copy, etc etc..
Preorder games! Gamestop, Best Buy, the first store that when you ask to preorder the game they let you; do it!
Hero of Legend
Member
Drinky Crow said:
OUCH, that ban was quick! :lol
Eteric Rice said:
I really think people are overthinking this stuff. There's always talk of finding the "Wii Audience" or assumptions that the "Wii Audience" is a bunch of kids or people who don't know any better. I simply don't buy that. Take this new Transformers game, instead of trying to make something "cool" and on par with the 360/PS3 version, they talk about how the "Wii Audience" is more "casual" and "family friendly". Then they'll wonder why the game bombed and complain about how hard it is to find this elusive "Wii Audience".
Stop overthinking this stuff. Just make your game and market it like you would any other game.
AceBandage
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Hero of Legend said:
Is he really banned, or is that just his tag?
Hero of Legend
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AceBandage said:
Hmm, don't know, that was his most recent post.
rollingstart
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Cosmonaut X
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AceBandage said:
It's just his tag; he's a mod-sanctioned troll.
Hero of Legend
Member
Wow. So then, how would one know when he's been banned?
I didn't really notice his posts so I guess I somehow missed the tag then! :lol
I didn't really notice his posts so I guess I somehow missed the tag then! :lol
AceBandage
Banned
Hero of Legend
Member
AceBandage said:
:lol Love it!
Cosmonaut X
Member
Hero of Legend said:
You won't. The best thing to do is ignore him; his shtick is tiresome, and it's really not worth engaging in any way.
EDarkness said:Heh, it's already derailed this thread, so it must work.
Yeah, unfortunately. There's always someone who takes him seriously, or who points out "lol banned!", and then there's everyone who points out he's not banned, and then there's chumps like me who keep on repeating "don't bother". After several years of seeing the same routine, it does get pretty bloody tedious though.
Oxx said:
Kimura's reasoning on the design choice (from our interview-article that just went up todaywhich everyone should read, it's very entertaining and interesting... did you know he did some design work for No More Heroes?):
I know this doesn't really address your point, but I love the thought process.
AceBandage
Banned
zigg said:
:lol :lol :lol