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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix
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he duos well with iron fist one is a tank the other is a nimble kung fu master works well
The Salt Life
Banned
Hahaha yoo
that dude with the drunken monkey style whooped Danny's ass for awhile there
Yeah well that would make Luke Cage a lot more interesting
Noisepurge
Member
I also liked that they had a Metalgear style theme throughout, "control"
Ties into everyones motivations.
Ties into everyones motivations.
Spikematic
Member
Just finished it. Show had major problems but was definitely not super bad. I hope they change the showrunner and fight choreographers in season 2. IMO the cast is perfectly fine, they just need better material to work with. Very much looking forward to the Defenders now!
Just finished with this.
Definitely in the low end along with Iron-Man 2. Not great but serviceable. Don't see where the hate comes from really.
That said, yeah, this show really needed a good polishing. The action is from regular to arrow levels laughable, also they need to get better writers.
Loved the ending tho' Madame Gao is my favorite tv villain definitely.
Definitely in the low end along with Iron-Man 2. Not great but serviceable. Don't see where the hate comes from really.
That said, yeah, this show really needed a good polishing. The action is from regular to arrow levels laughable, also they need to get better writers.
Loved the ending tho' Madame Gao is my favorite tv villain definitely.
Perfect lol
I think an important point to note about 'hate' is that bad reviews ain't that. 1 out of 5 reviewers would recommend this right now, and a average just below 5 suggest it's simply below-par compared to its contemporaries. If anything you could say you.dont understand the dissatisfaction people have with it, often harsher reviews Come from that place.
I generally like Marvels output, but this isn't getting a Mass Effect-ish shellacking currently. Just a very very timid response.
The Artisan
Member
also colleen wing is really pretty
like really fuckin pretty
like really fuckin pretty
Finished Episode 3 and it got even better. I love that
showed up already to help. And the whole feud between Danny and the Meachums is well set up and played out. I love that the whole politics thing is getting into the picture. And holy fuck at that ending! Oh yeah, I loved
appearance. Really showed that even the most fierce can fear them.
Jeri Hogarth
Madame Gao's
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I rewatched the Daredevil Nobu fight again the first one and I don't get it.
The rift in quality is just .....
The rift in quality is just .....
I know absolutely nothing about the character other than the basic premise for the show. Is this what he's actually like in the comic? Sort of a hapless goofball?
I was expecting something similar to "Bruce coming home in Batman Begins" but it's more of a "Will Ferrell stumbling around NY in Elf" vibe. I've only had time to watch the first episode though.
I was expecting something similar to "Bruce coming home in Batman Begins" but it's more of a "Will Ferrell stumbling around NY in Elf" vibe. I've only had time to watch the first episode though.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
So did Iron Fist charge his iPod with his chi back in K'un-Lun or
Yes, same actor.
Danny is a hapless goofball and probably a very unremarkable Iron fist. Got his moments, it's part of the charm really. One of the better Iron fist runs has him losing a tournament fairly hard. The show does overdo this part, imo.
LordRaptor
Member
Yeah, I mean... (end of season character spoilers)
even if she's not specifically that character from that comics run, shes elevated to more than just 'mob boss' level. Or is she? Its also possible shes just fucking with Danny and playing mind games, and just picked up the name Iron Fist somewhere along the way, or heard a rumour about K'un Lun with enough specificity to bluff that she's been there.
Either way, some nice fleshing out for her in this show, and I liked the added ambiguity of whether or not she is a straight up bad guy (which as I said in an earlier post is what I think the recurring theme of the show was supposed to be - identity and expectations)
Either way, some nice fleshing out for her in this show, and I liked the added ambiguity of whether or not she is a straight up bad guy (which as I said in an earlier post is what I think the recurring theme of the show was supposed to be - identity and expectations)
Luke Cage slapping people is better than IF.
Just finished binge watching.
First half of the season felt eh, slow. Then things seem to kick off by the end of episode 5. Fight choreography felt.....off early on, then really picked up. This could have easily been a couple episodes shorter, but I liked it.
EDIT: Also, Colleen is best Marvel Netflix waifu.
First half of the season felt eh, slow. Then things seem to kick off by the end of episode 5. Fight choreography felt.....off early on, then really picked up. This could have easily been a couple episodes shorter, but I liked it.
EDIT: Also, Colleen is best Marvel Netflix waifu.
This applies to all Marvel Netflix series.
I mean, she can force push people by barely touching them. She does it in Iron Fist to Danny, and I'm sure I remember her doing that in Daredevil S1. That doesn't seem that natural, she seems big about the truth too. I doubt she was bluffing really.
I dunno, Daredevil season 1 seemed to flow really well. Season two felt like it had two separate arcs. JJ and Luke Cage definitely could have been shorter.
I think ten episodes could be the sweet spot.
That episode is interesting. Far from boring to me.
The m&m idea felt weird at first but I found it to be quite clever when it was explained.
I'm only at Episode 4 but it's gotten better and better for every episode.
It's cheesy as hell, but fun.
SomeRandomAnon
Member
Theres some problems.
It's visually VERY cool, but the action feels flat.
The movie actually has the same problem with the series because it cast people that aren't fighters.
The movie was going to be 5 hours long or something like that before the producers cut down the movie, so who knows, maybe we lost the Ultimate Wu-Tang Experience
It's still a very interesting watch if you're a fan of the genre though.
RZA clearly loves it and you can see it pouring through the movie
LordRaptor
Member
Madame Gao obviously isn't a regular little old lady, but in the scope of the MCU theres a wide range of origin stories she potentially could have (reply vague enough that I don't think it needs spoilers...?)
The Artisan
Member
episode 7
so ward snaps, kills his dad before joy finds out he's still alive
Ploid 3.0
Member
Watched the first episode and going into episode 2 wanting to know why are they being so stupid about Danny. It's pissing me off, I can understand if they were the reason his parents died but they are acting like they don't believe it's him even when he's not around so I don't know. Arrrrrrgh!
Anyway, went in with super low expectations, and I don't mind it so far. Good background show while I play a game.
Anyway, went in with super low expectations, and I don't mind it so far. Good background show while I play a game.
Randy Lanzarote
Member
I'm on episode 7 and I just had a thought.....
It already feels too drawn out, they really need to aim for a 10 episode arc. I can't take Loras Tyrell seriously as Kung-Fu master at all. But its watchable, certainly not as bad as those early reviews made out.
What the fuck happened to Kyle?
It already feels too drawn out, they really need to aim for a 10 episode arc. I can't take Loras Tyrell seriously as Kung-Fu master at all. But its watchable, certainly not as bad as those early reviews made out.
MHWilliams
Member
Perfection.
ironically this feels like the most consistant show since DD Season 1...
...but thats because its consistantly bland :/
For example I think JJ has worse lows, but IF has no highs so...yeah. lol
This is about right.
Iron Fist has exactly one high imo lol (Ep. 13)
Iron Fist shockwave!
Okay, maybe two.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Okay, so, on episode 4 and... this isn't very good. There's like... some kind of underlying problem with the structure of the show. Fights are deeply unsatisfying, but not for any reason I can pinpoint while watching them, they just utterly lack impact in a way that's actually kind of unusual in how bland they are. I was commenting to my friends how I thought they should have kicked off the first episode with a big fight like Into the Badlands, but then I remembered wait, there was a fight, and I'd literally forgotten it all of 30 minutes later. On the writing side, Danny vacillates between nice guy zen cloud cuckoo lander and tortured avenger with basically 0 space in between. His motivation is unbelievably vague and only occasionally mentioned. Dude seems to lack any kind of driving purpose or agency, just bouncing around, without even the character writing you'd need to make that entertaining.
It's like a worse-written, angstier, more pointless Arrow S1 with really bad fights, to boot. About all I can say for it is that some of the actors are putting in work.
See, this is what I fucking loved about his fights. 0 style, but lord almighty so much strength. Dude looked legit bored.
I love a good one-sided curbstomping, and LC delivered them in spades.
It's like a worse-written, angstier, more pointless Arrow S1 with really bad fights, to boot. About all I can say for it is that some of the actors are putting in work.
See, this is what I fucking loved about his fights. 0 style, but lord almighty so much strength. Dude looked legit bored.
I love a good one-sided curbstomping, and LC delivered them in spades.
Irobot82
Member
It was Kung-Fu without the style of a Kung-Fu movie.
Sanctuary
Member
When?
Their monk robes aren't exactly "costumes".
Pretty accurate if you pretend the whole Diamondback arc doesn't exist in Luke Cage. Theo Rossi was also woefully miscast and not once menacing or believable as a truly great schemer. Not sure why you split the weak parts from the other series, but left that in as quality. Unless you truly believe the back half of that was better than everything else on the list.
Well, nevermind!
Thus far I am enjoying it quite a bit (first two episodes), but I can totally see why the reviews where much less for this one, if it stays this way.
Characters tend to do more nonsensical stuff and the dialogue just does not feel natural at times. It suffers from that writing pitfall where the writers make the characters behave in a certain manner to get them into specific plot situations, rather than having the characters act naturally and letting the situations flow out of their decisions/actions. Furthermore, the other Marvel Netflix shows have significant social commentary thoughtfully woven into their plot, there seems to be nothing like that here. And this show overall just lacks the style the three others shows have.
I do, however, look forward to the next episodes and think the quality is absolutely fine.
Characters tend to do more nonsensical stuff and the dialogue just does not feel natural at times. It suffers from that writing pitfall where the writers make the characters behave in a certain manner to get them into specific plot situations, rather than having the characters act naturally and letting the situations flow out of their decisions/actions. Furthermore, the other Marvel Netflix shows have significant social commentary thoughtfully woven into their plot, there seems to be nothing like that here. And this show overall just lacks the style the three others shows have.
I do, however, look forward to the next episodes and think the quality is absolutely fine.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
Ep. 10 Spoilers
What, Colleen is also Hand? Her character has been steadily getting worse and worse, too.
Does every Asian person have to be either Hand or Triad?
Does every Asian person have to be either Hand or Triad?
tenderbrew
Member
Honestly surprised at the negative reaction. I'm 6 in and really enjoying it.
Guess we'll see what happens in the second half.
Guess we'll see what happens in the second half.
Edit: Hahaha, a huge post at the bottom of the page, nobody's gonna read this at all =p.
Basically binge-watched it last night and today. I would put it squarely at the bottom of the Marvel / Netflix series (DDS1 > Cage > JJ > DDS2 > IF). All Iron Fist spoilers will be tagged, but I've got some comparisons to other Marvel / Netflix stuff I'm not gonna tag because, really, you should watch those first.
TLDR: Acting is good, but the direction needs work, and Finn Jones needs more to do than vaguely Eastern plotspeak to belt out. Plot suffers from the usual Netflix Drift (too many episodes, plots meanders too much), special effects were on the cheap side, fight scenes weren't particularly flashy. I was looking forward to Iron Fist the least and felt it was the one that'd be hardest to execute properly and that's pretty much how it shook out.
Actors are... okay. Jessica Henwick (
) was great, maybe some more stunt training.
are alright; Tom Pelphery's mannerisms and way of speaking reminds me of Tobias Menzies (Rome, Outlander), and not in a bad way.
was great.
continues to impress and I'm glad she's getting more and more stuff to do instead of just showing up and disappearing (though at a certain point her tagging along on some of these dangerous adventures is stretching things).
And then there's Finn Jones. I'm sure the material doesn't help (he's basically tossed into the George Lucas Sarlacc Pit of Plot Gobbledygook), and I suspect some of the direction he was given basically boils down to "be a know-it-all rich kid," but he just never really clicked. Felt like he's just sort of smarmed his way through the role (again, that may have been the intent) right up until he needed to scowl through the role. It's not horrible, but it definitely needs improvement. Maybe he'll get more to work with both script and direction-wise.
Not even touching the whole "white guy condescendingly schools asian who's been trained all her life" can of worms. Nooooooooope.jpg. I noticed it and it's problematic but I'm not going there.
Plot was alright, but suffers from the usual Netflix Drift. The first few episodes felt like they were racing through plot points at a slow shuffle; people are behaving in a way that they shouldn't (
) to drive the plot, but the plot isn't really driving anywhere. I feel like the first 3 or 4 episodes could have been condensed down to one; it shouldn't take so long for them to sort out the
question and certainly not as long to dick around with the legal shenanigans (
).
and
at least felt like they came into the plot organically, though everything with
felt unnecessarily drawn out and the hierarchy of
could have been better explained (
). Not quite so bad as the giant, literal plot hole in Daredevil S2, but still...
Glad there was no mid-season speedbump (i.e. "Punisher is great, this is turning out to be a really great seaso-oh shit, here comes Elektra, nevermind.") or Purple Man peekaboo (You almost caught me! Nope I escaped. Damn you caught me! Nope I escaped! Hey you almost caught me! Nope I escaped! You caught me again! Haha, I escaped!)
Special Effects were alright, a lot of dicey green screen stuff for
, not sure if it was intentional to make it feel otherworldly or if they just suck at it, but they probably could have done some location shooting instead of whatever that was. Hopefully they ramp up how often Danny uses the Fist in the future because it seemed like they had a one-glowy-Fist-per-episode limit on the budget.
Fight scenes were surprisingly off for a series about martial arts. Not gonna dig into specifics because this is kinda long already but they felt overly choreographed without being terribly exciting. There were a few points where it looked like people were waiting to hit their marks and nobody cared enough to do a second take. Highlight was the
My takeaway from the whole series was
. They basically made a series about the least interesting part of the origin story, the "return to society". Something like Batman Begins spends what feels like 5 minutes covering Bruce Wayne coming back to Gotham, tucked in between his ninja training and taking up the mantle of Batman. Daredevil Season 1 felt like Murdock finding out how to become Daredevil. Iron Fist, on the other hand, he's already done all the training to get the super power before anything begins, and they spend 3 minutes in a late episode roughly showing the immediate aftermath of that (less time than they spent showing the same flashback of
over and over again). This whole series was basically "Danny Rand gets fucked around with for 12 episodes," with the only real character development being
"I need to have these messengered somewhere..." (Actual Quote).
Lady.
Hold up.
They're fuckin' M&Ms.
They're not exactly hard to find.
Don't make some poor bike courier pedal from Midtown to wherever the fuck the hospital is at to deliver a bag of fucking candy. Shit, you're in New York, Amazon Now that shit.
Basically binge-watched it last night and today. I would put it squarely at the bottom of the Marvel / Netflix series (DDS1 > Cage > JJ > DDS2 > IF). All Iron Fist spoilers will be tagged, but I've got some comparisons to other Marvel / Netflix stuff I'm not gonna tag because, really, you should watch those first.
TLDR: Acting is good, but the direction needs work, and Finn Jones needs more to do than vaguely Eastern plotspeak to belt out. Plot suffers from the usual Netflix Drift (too many episodes, plots meanders too much), special effects were on the cheap side, fight scenes weren't particularly flashy. I was looking forward to Iron Fist the least and felt it was the one that'd be hardest to execute properly and that's pretty much how it shook out.
Actors are... okay. Jessica Henwick (
Colleen
The Meachum siblings
Faramir
Rosario Dawson
And then there's Finn Jones. I'm sure the material doesn't help (he's basically tossed into the George Lucas Sarlacc Pit of Plot Gobbledygook), and I suspect some of the direction he was given basically boils down to "be a know-it-all rich kid," but he just never really clicked. Felt like he's just sort of smarmed his way through the role (again, that may have been the intent) right up until he needed to scowl through the role. It's not horrible, but it definitely needs improvement. Maybe he'll get more to work with both script and direction-wise.
Not even touching the whole "white guy condescendingly schools asian who's been trained all her life" can of worms. Nooooooooope.jpg. I noticed it and it's problematic but I'm not going there.
Plot was alright, but suffers from the usual Netflix Drift. The first few episodes felt like they were racing through plot points at a slow shuffle; people are behaving in a way that they shouldn't (
"I feel like such a shit for drugging Danny. Why did I even have drugs like that in my office to begin with? Why would I, a normal person, have no problem drugging someone anyway?"
"Is it really Danny!?"
which also felt rushed due to Deus Ex Faramir pulling the strings
The Hand
Gao
Bakuto
The Hand
are there different factions fighting each other? Is Gao really part of the Hand when she wasn't before?
Glad there was no mid-season speedbump (i.e. "Punisher is great, this is turning out to be a really great seaso-oh shit, here comes Elektra, nevermind.") or Purple Man peekaboo (You almost caught me! Nope I escaped. Damn you caught me! Nope I escaped! Hey you almost caught me! Nope I escaped! You caught me again! Haha, I escaped!)
Special Effects were alright, a lot of dicey green screen stuff for
Kun Lun
Fight scenes were surprisingly off for a series about martial arts. Not gonna dig into specifics because this is kinda long already but they felt overly choreographed without being terribly exciting. There were a few points where it looked like people were waiting to hit their marks and nobody cared enough to do a second take. Highlight was the
Drunken Fighter, really fun one to watch.
My takeaway from the whole series was
Danny got the Iron Fist, had absolutely no training in it, spent a week watching the pass, saw a hawk and said "Fuck it, let's go, I'm the fucking Iron Fist!"
his mom getting sucked out of the plane
his relationship with Colleen and 'Oh yeah, I need to channel my anger better, I guess" tacked on there at the end.
"I need to have these messengered somewhere..." (Actual Quote).
Lady.
Hold up.
They're fuckin' M&Ms.
They're not exactly hard to find.
Don't make some poor bike courier pedal from Midtown to wherever the fuck the hospital is at to deliver a bag of fucking candy. Shit, you're in New York, Amazon Now that shit.
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