For the record, I loved the movie, and I loved that scene. It was done extremely well. I was just saying it's a shame that I had that nagging going on in my head reminding me about all the meta knowledge I had about the film franchise.
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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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For the record, I loved the movie, and I loved that scene. It was done extremely well. I was just saying it's a shame that I had that nagging going on in my head reminding me about all the meta knowledge I had about the film franchise.
WanderingWind
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Well, again, how can you like any Marvel/DC superhero movie? You know they're not killing Batman or Spider-Man.
The Technomancer
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Funnily enough I think killing off Phil actually hit pretty hard for me.
Good Job Bob
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Everyone's wondering if Nolan's going to kill Batman in TDKR, it could legitimately happen.
It's true of any action movie, though. Do you ever think John McClane is going to die in a Die Hard movie?
ViewtifulJC
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The real reason that scene sucks was that everybody and their momma saw Hulk catching Iron Man in the trailer, so we all knew that was about to happen.
That's a problem with all movies is it not? You often know someone isn't in danger during a scene simply because something you saw in the trailer didn't happen yet. Or because they simply can't die yet because it's so early in the movie. What makes those moments powerful all depends on how invested you were with that character in the first place. Whether or not they can actually "die" doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Look at MGS4 and the crawl scene. I knew Snake wouldn't die in that hallway. I still gave a shit.
And don't you forget it.
Do you have no imagination whatsoever? Obviously it wouldn't be a 1:1 adaptation, it would fit within the given universe, and by raising a legitimate 'real world' issue. The Council is an example of this.We can enter into a polygamous marriage.
Only good thing in Civil War is Cap beating Iron Man's ass.
And to those clamoring for Civil War, ask yourself this: do you want a movie with RDJ playing a fascist, asshole Iron Man?
Meh, I loved it all. Conclusion was great in 'The Confession', really beautiful issue that one, IMO. But to be fair, I read them all back to back, in reading order, alongside New Avengers and Front Line.
Totally worth it. Anyway, regardless of how shitty
you think
SpeedingUptoStop
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It's never about the potential death (because who WANTS to see them die?), it's about how the moment affects and changes them from then on. Iron Man 3 Tony is effectively a much less selfish person for what he did at the end of this movie.
I liked it. And not like in the way that I like most of the Marvel made films, just enjoy watching it once and never come back to it. I could totally see myself enjoying this again on Blu-Ray.
I enjoyed the action in this more than normal, I could watch Hawkeye shoot aliens in the face for hours (and I did). I really liked that one shot where Cap and Thor both got their weapons at the same time and smacked some fools side by side. Seemed very superhero-y.
I enjoyed the action in this more than normal, I could watch Hawkeye shoot aliens in the face for hours (and I did). I really liked that one shot where Cap and Thor both got their weapons at the same time and smacked some fools side by side. Seemed very superhero-y.
SuicideUZI
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so is "ultimate" just an alternate reality for the marvel universe? can any one universe be considered the definitive one? and i'm guessing the MCU just takes from wherever it feels necessary?
Ive never really been into reading comics, but ive read a lot of back stories on sites like wikipedia and marveldirectory.com
now that I have an iPad though i was thinking about getting some on the Marvel app, is Planet Hulk and World War Hulk worth the money?
Is he a less selfish person, or a more egoistic one? Part of me thinks he only did that because Cap talked down to him about never laying his life down for anyone, so he's not a hero. Lol.
WanderingWind
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Sure. And "everybody" is wondering if Spider-Man is going to die in Amazing, too. Hey, new director. Anything could happen.
Good Job Bob
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What?
Manmademan
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yes.
the primary is universe #616. most stories take place here. when they don't there is almost always clarification beforehand.
yup.
You are unfamiliar with the theme that Nolan has been pushing with Batman since BB?
I dunno, I don't think that true. Everyone is wondering if Amazing Spider-man will suck as much balls as the trailers indicate though. That could happen!
The Technomancer
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I didn't actually, since I hadn't seen a single trailer going into the film, so the scene worked really well for me.
Big Baybee
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They aren't killing off Batman bro.
WanderingWind
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Are you unfamiliar with DC and the way they manage their characters? They're not killing off their biggest name on screen. I'll eat my Bat-shorts if this happens.
But hey, anything is possible. I guess.
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Some second-viewing thoughts:
-Holds up really, really well on second viewing. The slow start does stand out. Essentially the movie lights up with the helicarrier takes off and it's all gold from there.
-Hawkeye really is better than he has any right to be.
-Stunned at the active, enthusiastic crowd still around on a late Sunday showing. Applause at the Marvel logo at the begininng, many of the big character moments, huge laughs at "he's adopted," RDJ's quips, even Black Widow's "interrogation" of Loki. HULK SMASH LOKI, it would seem, is perhaps the most crowd-pleasing line in cinematic history. Even knowing it was coming and listening specifically for it, I still couldn't hear "puny god" over the cheers. Not surprised this is running away with the record.
-The long tracking shot through the city is a masterpiece of timing, spatial awareness, and clarity. Just so, so good.
-The Mark VII armor-equipping scene is one of the most compelling visual effects I've seen. Even as predictable it was, it's awesome all around.
-A remarkable amount of recognition and "Thanos..!!!!" murmurs; maybe he's more well-known than I thought.
-Every square inch of body language in the shawarma scene is pitch-perfect. Can't believe that scene was filmed three weeks ago.
Some second-viewing thoughts:-Holds up really, really well on second viewing. The slow start does stand out. Essentially the movie lights up with the helicarrier takes off and it's all gold from there.
-Hawkeye really is better than he has any right to be.
-Stunned at the active, enthusiastic crowd still around on a late Sunday showing. Applause at the Marvel logo at the begininng, many of the big character moments, huge laughs at "he's adopted," RDJ's quips, even Black Widow's "interrogation" of Loki. HULK SMASH LOKI, it would seem, is perhaps the most crowd-pleasing line in cinematic history. Even knowing it was coming and listening specifically for it, I still couldn't hear "puny god" over the cheers. Not surprised this is running away with the record.
-The long tracking shot through the city is a masterpiece of timing, spatial awareness, and clarity. Just so, so good.
-The Mark VII armor-equipping scene is one of the most compelling visual effects I've seen. Even as predictable it was, it's awesome all around.
-A remarkable amount of recognition and "Thanos..!!!!" murmurs; maybe he's more well-known than I thought.
-Every square inch of body language in the shawarma scene is pitch-perfect. Can't believe that scene was filmed three weeks ago.
Even if that's true, it's still a great character moment that he felt the need to prove Rogers wrong.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Hulk crushing Loki tops everything for me, but outside of that, the moments where they were going at each other didn't fail to deliver the goods, even if the Thor - Iron Man fight was a bit more contrived that Thor -Hulk.
Good Job Bob
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Why wouldn't it be a possibility?
This is the last film in Nolan's telling of Batman, they're going to reboot it after this --- Batman dying in this film is a legitimate possibility.
There are individual moments I really loved.
- Thor's hammer hitting Cap's shield
- Hulk jumping out of the window and wrestling the fighter jet in mid-air
- Iron Man reflecting lasers off Cap's shield
- Hulk and Thor smashing aliens together while on the leviathan thing
Nolan Batman is ending after this film, the next one will be a reboot regardless of whether or not he dies. I don't know what will happen but I think a lot of people who are fans are going in thinking it is at least a possibility.
I'd say the likelihood that WB giving carte blanche to Nolan is very high.
gutter_trash
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Hulk was the best part of this movie,
this movie would have sucked total ass if the Hulk was not in it.
I am in the camp that thinks that Widow and Hawkeye had too much screen time while we did not get enough Hulk
Smash!
Hulk slamming Loki like Bam Bam Rumble does
this movie would have sucked total ass if the Hulk was not in it.
I am in the camp that thinks that Widow and Hawkeye had too much screen time while we did not get enough Hulk
Smash!
Hulk slamming Loki like Bam Bam Rumble does
WanderingWind
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It does look pretty terrible. Pete looks like he stepped off the set of Twilight. They know he's supposed to be a gangly nerd, right?
Isn't that the point though? He's only dead until the next movie. The character can never actually die.
The Broken Ska Record
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Thanos. But I also nerded a little when the SHIELD helicarrier lifted off into the sky.
Maybe going for a new audience means turning Parker into a passive-aggressive asshole loner!
Cap rallying the team and giving out orders.
Cap stopping the fight btw IM and Thor.
Cap teaming with Iron Man for "da lasers".
Cap saving the people in that building.
....
Cap.
The helicarrier was cool too.
Clayton Bigsby
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The fact that they are doing a reboot after TDKR hints strongly at either Bats dying or enough of his supporting cast dying that they need a reboot instead of a recasting.
WanderingWind
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A lot of fans have a lot of theories about everything. Doesn't make any of it valid. Come on, man. They're not killing Batman.
Really wanted to see Captain America meeting his old girlfriend again, they cut that part out of the film I think.
Good Job Bob
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It'll still hold emotional weight.
XiaNaphryz
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WanderingWind
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Maybe going for a new audience means turning Parker into a passive-aggressive asshole loner!
Sigh. He better be quippy dammit!
Big Baybee
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Its a possibility, I just don't think that's happening.
Meh. I'm not personally interested in seeing Batman die for my sins. Hopefully Nolan doesn't do it.
The Technomancer
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Cap rallying the team and giving out orders.
Cap stopping the fight btw IM and Thor.
Cap teaming with Iron Man for "da lasers".
Cap saving the people in that building.
....
Cap.
The helicarrier was cool too.
I did like how they had Cap be the strategist in the final fight since otherwise he did feel a bit...weak compared to indestructible god, indestructible mutant, and the dude with the rocket suit. I love Cap, he's awesome, but his combat role was still basically engaging with individual enemies or small handfuls of them.
Good Job Bob
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Kay, but the fact that you know it's a possibility will make it that more tense.
lolwut.Maybe going for a new audience means turning Parker into a passive-aggressive asshole loner!
I'm not sure what the big deal is. He dies, we all feel sad, and then he shows up again for the next Batman film in a new incarnation.
Clayton Bigsby
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Being this dense must take some work. 1. They are rebooting after TDKR. 2. Executives were reportedly upset with the ending 3. Batman sacrificing himself /making his legend "rise" is strongly hinted at.
WanderingWind
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By this same metric, literally every movie could have the same tension. It's a movie. It's fictional. Anything could happen.
...except WB/DC killing Batman in a summer flick.
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