Watching Iron Man 2 right now, it's so bad.
Please tell me Avengers shits all over this.
So you're saying that that sub genre's tenor and style is so good that even if TDK wasn't a great example of it ... it's automatically better than any example of a 'traditional' comic movie? Hm hm...Oh yes, that's exactly what I said. Hm hm...
Your advantage? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware we were having some sort of internet fight. I don't care that you think TDK is better, good for you, you and I have different priorities when judging movies. And yeah, even considering the cold open, the pacing is still way better than TDK which was kind of a mess. I disagree on your other points, but frankly I'm not that interested in having this debate. I just wanted to say that I had a surprisingly great time with this movie and that it is now my favourite superhero flick.
It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
Oh, ok.It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
Fantastic movie. I loved it. One of the best super hero movies ever.
But I missed the scene after the credits, I'm so stupid. There was the mid-credits scene, and we figured that was it and everyone left.
Sucks man.
It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
Wait ... there was something AFTER Thanos??!!?!?
I'm completely dumbfounded by this huge praise for the film I keep reading on every page. It was entertaining but I just can't comprehend the 'incredible' talk and better than Nolan Batman's. It's baffling. I don't think you're looking at this movie objectively and will end up changing your tone 3 months from now.
Avengers takes a hot, steamy, liquid shit all over Iron Man 2 and the rest of the Marvel movies really. Only Iron Man and Thor are even close imo.Watching Iron Man 2 right now, it's so bad.
Please tell me Avengers shits all over this.
It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
I'm completely dumbfounded by this huge praise for the film I keep reading on every page. It was entertaining but I just can't comprehend the 'incredible' talk and better than Nolan Batman's. It's baffling. I don't think you're looking at this movie objectively and will end up changing your tone 3 months from now.
Wait ... there was something AFTER Thanos??!!?!?
I'm completely dumbfounded by this huge praise for the film I keep reading on every page. It was entertaining but I just can't comprehend the 'incredible' talk and better than Nolan Batman's. It's baffling. I don't think you're looking at this movie objectively and will end up changing your tone 3 months from now.
So you're saying that that sub genre's tenor and style is so good that even if TDK wasn't a great example of it ... it's automatically better than any example of a 'traditional' comic movie? Hm hm...
Yes.
it was just all of them sitting around eating at the restaurant Stark wanted to go to. The staff is cleaning in the background after the attack and they are sitting around at the table and don't say a word. They just sit there eating in a dazed 'what the fuck just happened' kind of stare.
No, I'm saying you're dumb. Clearly.
TDK and Avengers are at opposite ends of one same genre. The other works I mentioned have nothing to do with either of them and were mentioned in relation to the misuse of the expression "comic book fan" by TacticalFox.
Yes?
TDK wasn't perfect. But it's an incredibly rich movie which is amazingly directed, written and acted (except for Batman...). Plus, the action is fucking fantastic.
Avengers is a soulless action flick. The plot is irrelevant, the direction is all over the place, the fact that you'd even call the pacing into the spotlight just works to my advantage... Avengers had one of the worst cold opens of all time, and the pacing is very uneven. RDJ is the only actor even worth mentioning, but SJ was ok too. Is there even a point in comparing them?
LOL awesome.Yes, I missed out on it too because I thought the one you said was it. You can see the other one on youtube. Just search for Avengers and Shawarma.
I don't think you know what you're sayingNo, I'm saying you're dumb. Clearly.
TDK and Avengers are at opposite ends of one same genre. The other works I mentioned have nothing to do with either of them and were mentioned in relation to the misuse of the expression "comic book fan" by TacticalFox.
Yes?
Alright reason why we say it was incredible:
1) Characterization: Every character from the SHIELD soldier playing Galaga to the heroes had a role and were characterized brilliantly.
2) Character interaction: Each character had realistic interactions with each other and these were reflected throughout the entire movie
3) Parallel of belief of human nature: Loki had the thought of humans want to be ruled and are weak where the heroes had the thought that humans are strong due to the free will and that there freedom drives them to be stronger.
4) The emotional factor: The heroes were shown to be reluctant like real humans would be to team up with other alpha personalities until that emotional factor was shown.
Those are the main reasons people love it. I mean the scene of Nat shaking after the Hulk out was amazing and realistic. Thor still trying to talk sense to his evil brother was something a realistic brother would do.
So what you're saying is that you're this guy:
facts
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Even if you think TDK is better that doesn't make it fact and i don't see why you are pushing that so hard in a thread that is about the avengers. I prefer batman but i won't shit up this thread with it.
I don't think you know what you're saying
People have different taste from you? What's shocking about it? And Nolan's Batman is not the be-all and end-all of all superhero films. It has plenty of faults of its own, regardless of what its obsessive fans say.
I think we're definitely looking at ~$70m (it's selling out 1am shows. :lol) and $200m for the weekend, which is fucking awesome. 10 years ago, we got the first $100m opening weekend, so I look forward to The Justice League getting $300m in 2022.Just got back from a party, looks like my schedule for tomorrow is open so I might watch this tomorrow.
As for the BO, latest update from Nikkie Finke (deadline.com) is that today's gross is 60-64M with the weekend projection at 175-179M. However, she lowballed yesterday's figures, initially started with 67M and the final tally ended up at 80.5M. The source that said 80M before the official figures from Disney were released is saying that today's total is closer to 70M. That means 200M is very possible with a normal Sunday drop. Hang tight folks ..
I don't buy this opinion talk every person shouts when they defend what they like. It is possible for 1 thing to be better than another. If someone said Transformers 2 was better than Avengers I don't think anyone here would be as willing and nice enough to defend that opinion. Sure that person may genuinely like Transformers 2 more but I think through debate/arguments it can be demonstrated why Avengers is better otherwise let's not have film criticism at all and claim all movies are great it's just a matter of opinion.
Again I haven't seen any real justification for why Avengers can be 'better' (I don't like that word in this context but I'll use it) than Nolan's Batman's. Avengers does nothing that hasn't already been done in countless other action films, except this time it's with everyone's favorite characters. That's the only major factor.
Yep. It was like a mini horror flick inside the movie ... and a great choice for what character to do it with. I think it honestly works better with Hulk then doing it with the bad guys for a variety of reasons.
I'm just amazed they pulled it off. It was actually terrifying.
I don't buy this opinion talk every person shouts when they defend what they like. It is possible for 1 thing to be better than another. If someone said Transformers 2 was better than Avengers I don't think anyone here would be as willing and nice enough to defend that opinion. Sure that person may genuinely like Transformers 2 more but I think through debate/arguments it can be demonstrated why Avengers is better otherwise let's not have film criticism at all and claim all movies are great it's just a matter of opinion.
Again I haven't seen any real justification for why Avengers can be 'better' (I don't like that word in this context but I'll use it) than Nolan's Batman's. Avengers does nothing that hasn't already been done in countless other action films, except this time it's with everyone's favorite characters. That's the only major factor.
There's nothing meaningful or emotional in this film what so ever, it's all popcorn fun. That's okay I'm not shitting on that but how does that get the 'incredible' level? Because it's multiple amounts of popcorn fun packed into a 2 hour fun fest rather than 90 minutes? I don't get it. If you're going to say you like Avengers more than Batman Begins than you'll have to say you like action more than character development. If that's the case fine but call it like it is. The beauty of stuff like Batman Begins, TDK, Spiderman 2 etc. is that it managed to fuse these 2 elements. That's why they got the respect they did. Avengers didn't try at all and perhaps it's not that kind of movie but for that reason it's not on as high a tier.
Either I'm drunk, or you don't understand the subtext in your posts.So... you misunderstand my post and get in my case about it. And I'm the one who doesn't know what he's saying?
Angry Fork said:There's nothing meaningful or emotional in this film what so ever
Either I'm drunk, or you don't understand the subtext in your posts.
TDK wasn't perfect. But it's an incredibly rich movie which is amazingly directed, written and acted (except for Batman...). Plus, the action is fucking fantastic.
Avengers is a soulless action flick. It's heartfelt, humours, and actually interacts with it's audience in a way many of us have not seen a superhero flick accomplish before.
The plot is irrelevant, the direction is all over the place, the fact that you'd even call the pacing into the spotlight just works to my advantage... Avengers had one of the worst cold opens of all time, and the pacing is very uneven. RDJ is the only actor even worth mentioning, but SJ was ok too. Is there even a point in comparing them?
I'm completely dumbfounded by this huge praise for the film I keep reading on every page. It was entertaining but I just can't comprehend the 'incredible' talk and better than Nolan Batman's. It's baffling. I don't think you're looking at this movie objectively and will end up changing your tone 3 months from now.
This.
Nobody has yet to explain why Avengers is so incredible besides the fact that it had lots of action, eye candy and funny lines. However it can be easily explained why Batman Begins and TDK are so important and high-tier for the genre. (And Spiderman 1/2 as well but I'll just leave those off since I don't feel like defending them but they are superior to Avengers).
I just boggles my mind that this film even works as well as it does, because it could have went wrong SO HORRIBLY. The fact that they've been building to it for several movies spread over half a decades, billions of dollars spending on giving us these characters, getting their origins out of the way, casting the right people for the job, etc. If ANY of these movies were a flop it would have taken a lot of shine off the Avengers. And then to put all these different characters in the same movie, away from their respective films with their own internal logic and relationships? And that not only did it work, but it's probably gonna end up as one of this summer's most fun and financially successful films?
It's a damn miracle this movie is the way it came out.
Heh.It's not a fight, it's facing facts. TDK is a good movie. One that will be remembered for years and looked upon as a milestone.
Avengers is that movie where the Hulk kicks some ass with Iron Man and Thor.
It's all sexual tension.
You know what, fuck this... I like you, why on earth am I getting up in arms about nothing, here. Bah.
Yes. Throwing money at things ALWAYS guarantees qualityWhy couldn't Transformers be as good as this? Didn't they have similar budgets >.>
I liked Star Trek though Duck
I liked Star Trek though Duck