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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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Amory

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Hit with a wave of just...depression, anxiety & frustration today. And anger.

I'm tired of being indoors. I'm tired of being cut off from friends and family. I'm especially tired of Zoom video meetings, and working in my cramped apartment during what has ironically been the busiest time since I started at this company.

Our wedding and reception were supposed to be on 5/2 (and the honeymoon was supposed to start the next day), which we've been planning and preparing for for more than a year, and now it's all gone to hell. And the stress of trying to put a backup plan in place is causing a ton of strain between me and my fiance. Feels like trying to do a sudden 90 degree turn with an aircraft carrier. Especially because all of our vendors are inundated with calls from other couples in our same position.

What really sucks is not having that light at the end of the tunnel, the day marked on the calendar when we can all go back to our lives. But I'm sure that day is way off still.

I always really try to get to that place of gratitude. "hey, I still have a job, and my friends and family, and a place to live, not everyone's so lucky." But today it's failing me.
 
lyan

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darkinstinct said:
LOL, anybody with half a brain could've reacted when it appeared in China and the world would have been safe. But they decided to wait and now they are dealing with the consequences. China handled SARS-CoV-2 like a champ. The rest of the world like fools. Next time they know better, like it took SARS for China to handle SARS-CoV-2 better now. Doesn't even look like China fudged the numbers, because the data from Italy is pretty much the same both in terms of gender split (males 2/3, females 1/3) and age (young people less affected, children not affected at all). That's impossible if China had messed with the reported cases.
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They have indeed handled it 'well' when Europe's patient 0 is a governor from China.
 
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MichaelRR1989

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Cuomo seems to be gearing up for a presidential run.

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He'll still get buried in a landslide to Trump.
 
Captain Zyrain

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cryptoadam said:
Also how the hell did MERS stay in Saudi and basically infecft something like 2500 people ? Its a coronavirus as well, but yet it didn't become a global pandemic.
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If I recall correctly, by the time you were contagious with MERS you were basically already at deaths door, and it had a super high fatality rate.. so it didn't present as much of a transmission risk (thankfully, I guess).
 
Sakura

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Skyr said:
How do you explaine germany having a lower cases to death statistic than the US?
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The death rate will catch up, just like Korea used to be 0.6% or whatever.

Captain Zyrain said:
If I recall correctly, by the time you were contagious with MERS you were basically already at deaths door, and it had a super high fatality rate.. so it didn't present as much of a transmission risk (thankfully, I guess).
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I believe MERS doesn't actually do human to human transmission very well. People catch it from camels, but they don't pass it on to other people much.
 
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In Japanese, but I guess the Tokyo mayor issued a request for people to stay in doors... uh, just for this weekend, and that triggered a rush on supermarkets.

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Captain Zyrain

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Amory said:
Hit with a wave of just...depression, anxiety & frustration today. And anger.

I'm tired of being indoors. I'm tired of being cut off from friends and family. I'm especially tired of Zoom video meetings, and working in my cramped apartment during what has ironically been the busiest time since I started at this company.

Our wedding and reception were supposed to be on 5/2 (and the honeymoon was supposed to start the next day), which we've been planning and preparing for for more than a year, and now it's all gone to hell. And the stress of trying to put a backup plan in place is causing a ton of strain between me and my fiance. Feels like trying to do a sudden 90 degree turn with an aircraft carrier. Especially because all of our vendors are inundated with calls from other couples in our same position.

What really sucks is not having that light at the end of the tunnel, the day marked on the calendar when we can all go back to our lives. But I'm sure that day is way off still.

I always really try to get to that place of gratitude. "hey, I still have a job, and my friends and family, and a place to live, not everyone's so lucky." But today it's failing me.
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It's rough across the board. I suppose at least know everyone else is basically in a similar position and most people are not happy with the new status quo. If you would have told me I was going to be forced to work and stay at home for a couple of weeks, I would have been stoked.. but in reality, when stuck with the whole family.. it gets old, really really fast. I too, am happy I still can do my job.. but it's a pain doing it at home when my kids won't stop bugging me all day long.. or the wife who constantly complains about being bored stuck inside.. it gets old really really fast. I can't wait for this to be over so we can go back to normal life.

Oh to be young and single and stuck inside playing video games all day and night.

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crowbrow

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Amory said:
Hit with a wave of just...depression, anxiety & frustration today. And anger.

I'm tired of being indoors. I'm tired of being cut off from friends and family. I'm especially tired of Zoom video meetings, and working in my cramped apartment during what has ironically been the busiest time since I started at this company.

Our wedding and reception were supposed to be on 5/2 (and the honeymoon was supposed to start the next day), which we've been planning and preparing for for more than a year, and now it's all gone to hell. And the stress of trying to put a backup plan in place is causing a ton of strain between me and my fiance. Feels like trying to do a sudden 90 degree turn with an aircraft carrier. Especially because all of our vendors are inundated with calls from other couples in our same position.

What really sucks is not having that light at the end of the tunnel, the day marked on the calendar when we can all go back to our lives. But I'm sure that day is way off still.

I always really try to get to that place of gratitude. "hey, I still have a job, and my friends and family, and a place to live, not everyone's so lucky." But today it's failing me.
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https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief
 
TriSuit666

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Marlenus said:
Once capacity is exceeded doctors will be making choices as to who gets access to limited resources. In the EU that is based on chances of it saving a person's life. In the USA it will be based on the who has the biggest chequebook.
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I could give you an example on a real-world Hospital where they've been making those choices already for about two weeks.

Despite what Manatwat is asserting, ICU is simply at the point of keeping people alive who if taken off ECMO units would die in very short order because their lungs have become comprehensively ineffective.
 
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TTOOLL

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Amory said:
Hit with a wave of just...depression, anxiety & frustration today. And anger.

I'm tired of being indoors. I'm tired of being cut off from friends and family. I'm especially tired of Zoom video meetings, and working in my cramped apartment during what has ironically been the busiest time since I started at this company.

Our wedding and reception were supposed to be on 5/2 (and the honeymoon was supposed to start the next day), which we've been planning and preparing for for more than a year, and now it's all gone to hell. And the stress of trying to put a backup plan in place is causing a ton of strain between me and my fiance. Feels like trying to do a sudden 90 degree turn with an aircraft carrier. Especially because all of our vendors are inundated with calls from other couples in our same position.

What really sucks is not having that light at the end of the tunnel, the day marked on the calendar when we can all go back to our lives. But I'm sure that day is way off still.

I always really try to get to that place of gratitude. "hey, I still have a job, and my friends and family, and a place to live, not everyone's so lucky." But today it's failing me.
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You're not alone. This sentiment will only grow on people...this situation cannot last much longer, they will have to find another way to deal with this. You still have your job, imagine the millions that won't...
 
Kagey K

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Rbk_3 said:
Meh, they revised it and got the Bill passed 12 hours later. I expect the CPC would have tried to do something similar.
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They didn’t in 2008 and could have. Let’s not twist this into a their both evil and don’t respect parliament. The fact is only one of them actually tried.
 
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Sakura said:
The death rate will catch up, just like Korea used to be 0.6% or whatever.


I believe MERS doesn't actually do human to human transmission very well. People catch it from camels, but they don't pass it on to other people much.
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So what you're saying is everyone who got MERS was a camel-rapist, right?
 
TwoDurans

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"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
It's so sad when a fictional doctor provides better advice that the president of the united states...

 
All Hail C-Webb

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rykomatsu said:
Didn't the chloroquine clinical trials start in NY yesterday? Have no idea how extensive the trial is, though, or if this is just a fluke
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75 deaths in NY yesterday.
Some results have come out from Chlorquine trials done elsewhere late yesterday, and results were extremely sobering. Showed essentially no effect, but these were very limited trials, so we can't lose hope.
Trial results
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

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Sakura said:
I think Japan is gonna start taking off soon. Yesterday 17 new cases in Tokyo and it was the biggest one day increase in cases for Tokyo. Today was 41.
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Aren't most people in Japan really old?
 
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dionysus

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All Hail C-Webb said:
We're going to reach that point and worse.
It won't just be those over 60, it's going to be younger people who aren't insured, and then those who are under-insured. Then Insurance will stop covering it all together, and we will only care for those who can pay the full cost out of pocket.
That's where we're headed if we don't flatten the curve significantly.
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In the US all life saving treatments must be offered by the hospital regardless of ability to pay.
 
cryptoadam

cryptoadam

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Iran back in the game 143 deaths, someone found the copy paste button.

Its so nice of Iranians to make sure they stop dieing if it gets into the 120-150 range. Very thoughtful of them.
 
Rentahamster

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ManaByte said:
In the US they don't tell people over the age of 60 to go home and die.
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Whenever a healthcare system is pushed to overcapacity, those hard decisions will have to be made anywhere, socialized medicine or not. In the US, money could play a factor in some cases, but we haven't reached that point yet. Whether it's by age, or by wealth, healthcare is going to be subject to rationing once demand overtakes supply.
 
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crowbrow said:
My country would have been completely doomed without socialized medicine in this crisis. Also Germany is fairing pretty well, better than the US actually with socialized medicine.
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Germany's faring pretty well can't be credited solely to it having socialized medicine. Pretty sure Italy, Spain, and China all also have socialized/universal health care systems.

There are obviously some other huge differences at play here causing the discrepancy in deaths between the various countries.
 
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GamingKaiju

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hariseldon said:
Just build a fucking wall around London and let them get on with it.
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London is the next Lombardy we are going to see a spike in cases there over the coming weeks. Kahn was a major dick head for cutting public services down, cramming people into close proximity is only going to make it worse.
 
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All Hail C-Webb said:
We're going to reach that point and worse.
It won't just be those over 60, it's going to be younger people who aren't insured, and then those who are under-insured. Then Insurance will stop covering it all together, and we will only care for those who can pay the full cost out of pocket.
That's where we're headed if we don't flatten the curve significantly.
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The United States?
I can see the infection rate passing Italy for sure, but I cannot see the death rate passing Italy. The federal government willing to ship hospital ships and build temporary hospitals already can make a ton of difference in keeping people alive. SO FAR (and I pray it stays this way or, even better, shrinks), the death rate within the United States is lower than 2%, which while its sad for those unfortunate situations, means that they are more well equipped to handle the situation than Italy. I'm not going to be like that other poster who blamed the situation on socialized healthcare (Italy in general has poor healthcare, I've heard of people being on waitlists for years), people really do not give the United States credit for its healthcare quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I'm pretty sure legislation was passed that forces doctors to give patients options that can save their life, regardless of affordability.

Also, before anyone wants to keep tooting their horn about Trump being optimistic about easter: he was just being optimistic, he's prepared for it to not happen
 
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crowbrow

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Zefah said:
Germany's faring pretty well can't be credited solely to it having socialized medicine. Pretty sure Italy, Spain, and China all also have socialized/universal health care systems.
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The poster I was responding to was implying the socialized health care system is the problem which is a fallacy considering many countries with socialized health care systems are fairing pretty well. So the nature of social systems is not a predictive variable for failure here.
 
All Hail C-Webb

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dionysus said:
In the US all life saving treatments must be offered by the hospital regardless of ability to pay.
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I'm aware of how it's supposed to be, but that's not what's going to happen.
Hospitals will be full, more patients will arrive. You can't ask them to save somebody if they don't have room to admit them.

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The United States?
I can see the infection rate passing Italy for sure, but I cannot see the death rate passing Italy. The federal government willing to ship hospital ships and build temporary hospitals already can make a ton of difference in keeping people alive. SO FAR (and I pray it stays this way or, even better, shrinks), the death rate within the United States is lower than 2%, which while its sad for those unfortunate situations, means that they are more well equipped to handle the situation than Italy. I'm not going to be like that other poster who blamed the situation on socialized healthcare (Italy in general has poor healthcare, I've heard of people being on waitlists for years), people really do not give the United States credit for its healthcare quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I'm pretty sure legislation was passed that forces doctors to give patients options that can save their life, regardless of affordability.

Also, before anyone wants to keep tooting their horn about Trump being optimistic about easter: he was just being optimistic, he's prepared for it to not happen
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My post is is based on the worst case, where we dont stick with quarantines and social distancing, and the curve does not get flattened.
If we don't overburden the healthcare system, we have a shot at getting out pretty good.
If we do, it will be the same way we do everything in America, the Haves Vs the Have nots.
 
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chitzy

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Amory said:
Our wedding and reception were supposed to be on 5/2 (and the honeymoon was supposed to start the next day), which we've been planning and preparing for for more than a year, and now it's all gone to hell. And the stress of trying to put a backup plan in place is causing a ton of strain between me and my fiance. Feels like trying to do a sudden 90 degree turn with an aircraft carrier. Especially because all of our vendors are inundated with calls from other couples in our same position.
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Use this as an excuse to cancel the wedding altogether and just sign the paperwork, saving yourselves tens of thousands of dollars in the process.
 
GamingKaiju

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I don't think comparing Italy's health system to the US health system is a fair comparison over Covid. Covid had gained massive momentum before the first cases were diagnosed, Culturally there are many generations of Italians living under the same roof. Even after the lock down kids were still socialising in large groups it wasn't until a week or 2 later that it was really enforced and it's citizens started staying at home. Italy also has a very aged population thanks to it's diet.

So to blame a socialised health system for a high death count is hugely disingenuous as you have to dig down to find out why there was a higher death count there. Lets see how other Countries hold up over the coming weeks, I sure hope the UK doesn't go above 10K because we have around 8000 ventilators (last figures I saw) so there is a upper limit on how many cases that require critical care a Country can handle. Sadly in Italy's case they hit that capacity and other Countries could hit it as well.
 
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TriSuit666

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holygeesus said:
No mention of underlying health conditions at this time, but to die the next day after being told that is scary stuff.
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Not really, sounds like standard pathology if pneumonia had set in.

I do think that's the thing that's not being communicated well enough at all is the speed at which death can occur - the Doctors in Wuhan were measuring it in minutes for some patients who were initially showing signs of recovery.

The best and most appropriate course of action is to take enough precautions not to be infected in the first place.
 
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