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[Explosive Zombie]

COVID-19 deaths of six countries yesterday
Canada: 10
France: 23
Germany: 4
Japan: 11
Spain: 25
UK: 2

Total population of the countries above: 426 million


COVID-19 deaths in the United States yesterday
1,170
Population of United States: 328 million


Trump today, working hard on that nationwide testing, contact tracing, and isolation strategy:

Has anyone ever seen a more disingenuous poster on this forum? Sorry but smash all the countries you listed together into a single nation state with one central government and no seas separating them and tell me it'd be the same.

 

[BadBurger]

Has anyone ever seen a more disingenuous poster on this forum? Sorry but smash all the countries you listed together into a single nation state with one central government and no seas separating them and tell me it'd be the same.

1. What's disingenuous about cold hard figures?
   
   
2. Three of those countries are on the same continent, bordering each other in places, all partially regulated in regards to travel, commerce, and health, by the same central body - known as the European Union. Perhaps you've heard of it. Canada borders the US. The UK didn't even enforce quarantine rules upon visitors from France until last Friday.
   
   Try being reasonable and using some critical thinking skills instead of denying facts you find uncomfortable and trying to passively aggressively insult others that share those facts. It makes you look small. You don't need to defend Trump at the expense of your integrity, common sense, and your lying eyes. It's OK.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

1. What's disingenuous about cold hard figures?
   
   
2. Three of those countries are on the same continent, bordering each other in places, all partially regulated in regards to travel, commerce, and health, by the same central body - known as the European Union. Perhaps you've heard of it. Canada borders the US. The UK didn't even enforce quarantine rules upon visitors from France until last Friday.
   
   Try being reasonable and using some critical thinking skills instead of denying facts you find uncomfortable and trying to passively aggressively insult others that share those facts. It makes you look small. You don't need to defend Trump at the expense of your integrity, common sense, and your lying eyes. It's OK.

1. The way you're framing them.

2. Okay, first of all... that's just three... it'd be like taking the cumulative numbers from NY and 2 bordering states... how does America look then? Because we're talking similar population levels, densities and so forth, or are you afraid to look at things per capita, factor in all the differences that come bundled with what you did? What does Canada bordering the US mean? Are you going to lump in Canada and Mexico case/death numbers with us?

Reasonable critical thinking skills wouldn't lead you to believe anything I've done is a defense of Trump, I mean the worst states for COVID-19 deaths are Democrat-led and Trump empowered individual governors and was incredibly responsive to their needs/requests.

 

[Joe T.]

And so it begins, 2020's first quarter mandatory vaccine athon...

I will gladly die on that hill if need be and I won't go down quietly. I don't take the flu shot every year, I don't see why I should be forced to take one for this virus. They could change my mind if reporters started asking tough questions again and bringing some respect back to the news, but I don't see that happening thanks to all the money injected into news media by big pharma and other major players.

Has anyone ever seen a more disingenuous poster on this forum? Sorry but smash all the countries you listed together into a single nation state with one central government and no seas separating them and tell me it'd be the same.

He's all about those political attacks, comes across like a member of the wumao.

When considering the countries with the fewest deaths are suffering some of the same problems as those with the most deaths it becomes pointless to degrade this to a political discussion. Look at how New Zealand locked down Auckland again for weeks because of a "tiny uptick" in cases and postponed a general election. Canada's bitching up a storm about school re-openings (teacher protest here in Montreal tomorrow) and the two meter distancing isn't exactly helping.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

 

[cryptoadam]

Got my attention.

 

[sinnergy]

I will gladly die on that hill if need be and I won't go down quietly. I don't take the flu shot every year, I don't see why I should be forced to take one for this virus. They could change my mind if reporters started asking tough questions again and bringing some respect back to the news, but I don't see that happening thanks to all the money injected into news media by big pharma and other major players.



He's all about those political attacks, comes across like a member of the wumao.

When considering the countries with the fewest deaths are suffering some of the same problems as those with the most deaths it becomes pointless to degrade this to a political discussion. Look at how New Zealand locked down Auckland again for weeks because of a "tiny uptick" in cases and postponed a general election. Canada's bitching up a storm about school re-openings (teacher protest here in Montreal tomorrow) and the two meter distancing isn't exactly helping.

Except it’s based on science , and that research is there well before this virus.

They even understood these rules when the plaque and Spanish Flu hit .. at the time of the Spanish Flu the started to understand viruses and their role in illnesses.

but it also has everything to do with spread of the virus and what’s acceptable in a society. There are even studies that at 2 meters you infect even less people and at 1 meter it’s acceptable, you infect only a little bit more...

You can grasp that 2 meters in urban areas is pretty hard to maintain a somewhat normal live right?

 

[BadBurger]

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

New research from Brazil has found that people who are unconcerned with adhering to measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19 tend to display higher

www.psypost.org

New research from Brazil has found that people who are unconcerned with adhering to measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19 tend to display higher levels of traits associated with antisocial personality disorder, also known as sociopathy. The findings have been published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

...

The new findings are in line with previous research conducted in the United States and Poland, which also found that antisocial personality traits were associated with ignoring preventative measures meant to halt the spread of COVID-19.

Shocked I tell you.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

New research from Brazil has found that people who are unconcerned with adhering to measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19 tend to display higher

www.psypost.org

Shocked I tell you.

Says nothing about the efficacy of masks or if they ought to be used. If the entire media is telling you wearing a mask will save lives and the average person swallows what their told by the media then they'd need to lack empathy to not do something that saves lives. Most people arguing anti-mask on forums like this... wear the masks when they're meant to... I mean heck, I'm not interested in whatever penalty the government of my state may impose and I don't want to be turned away from businesses. The actual argument is for them to stop enforcing it because the science doesn't back it up. My favorite part though is where they list higher levels of risk-taking as being linked to not wearing the mask... yeah... that one didn't require a study.

 

[FireFly]

Two claims:

1.) There is no established minimum distance at which the risk of contracting the virus is negated.
2.) Increasing physical separation does not decrease the risk of virus transmission.

You cannot infer 2.) from one. Since the risk may generally decrease with distance, but with the exact cutoff point in a given situation depending on factors such temperature, humidity, ventilation, time spent together and amount of movement. And indeed that's what the evidence suggests.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9.pdf

(See the graph on page 8)

 

[cryptoadam]

So whats happening in Belarus? I read on WIKI they didn't do any lockdowns, actually the oposite. Apperantly they even had some giant festival with 2.3 million people?

On 25 April, a nation-wide Subbotnik (day of community service) took place in Belarus, reportedly involving as many as 2.3 million people.

No one seems to talk about them but from what I can see it looks like the virus isn't really a thing there.

 

[ManaByte]

Trump announcing the FDA issuing an emergency use authorization for plasma treatment.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Trump announcing the FDA issuing an emergency use authorization for plasma treatment.

Is that a good thing?

 

[ManaByte]

Is that a good thing?

If you want to see people recover quicker from COVID and not die, yes.

If you're the media in the US and you want as more deaths and more lockdowns before November, no.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

If you want to see people recover quicker from COVID and not die, yes.

I'm here for it.

 

[Chaplain]

That Church sued and the judge sided with them, not Iron Maiden's Eddie who runs LA County Health:

John MacArthur’s church can worship Sunday with singing, no attendance cap: judge

Pastor John MacArthur, whose Grace Community Church had been holding in-person services in violation of the state s COVID-19 lockdown orders, is celebrating a California court s vindication of their ...

www.christianpost.com

 

[diffusionx]

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

Sociopathic traits linked to non-compliance with mask guidelines and other COVID-19 containment measures

New research from Brazil has found that people who are unconcerned with adhering to measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19 tend to display higher

www.psypost.org

Shocked I tell you.

“Anyone who doesn’t immediately submit to government fiat is a psychopath”

Right this has nothing to do with insane totalitarian control of the population and everything to do with a flu-like virus that 99.75% of people recover from.

Masks do not do what they claim and this is all bullshit security theater.

 

[Joe T.]

I find that message from the WHO interesting because it basically reaffirms the conservative approach of personal responsibility while taking a dagger to the liberal, collectivist approach. In other words, go back to living a normal life while understanding this virus has been added to the [very, very long] list of risks to our lives.

Any bets on whether she'll "clarify" this message the same way she did the one on asymptomatic spread being "very rare" back in June?

 

[BadBurger]

“Anyone who doesn’t immediately submit to government fiat is a psychopath”

You should actually read the articles and the studies they're based on.

 

[Guileless]

[tweet]

 

[Nicktendo_]

And so it begins, 2020's first quarter mandatory vaccine athon...

Yeah fuck this noise.
Especially if it's China made.

 

[pLow7]

[tweet]

That' some really, really stupid Graph.

There is still a difference of abour 30K cases a day between the US and Europe:

 

[hariseldon]

That' some really, really stupid Graph.

There is still a difference of abour 30K cases a day between the US and Europe:

Log scale has its uses but yeah in this case not so useful. Besides, they're both shit as far as I can tell as neither is making any allowance for population size - doesn't seem to be cases per million population or anything like that, and of course we all know that the case count is not really relevant, it's about the death count as the case count is just a function of how much testing is being done.

 

[DeepBreath87]

That' some really, really stupid Graph.

There is still a difference of abour 30K cases a day between the US and Europe:

Yes it almost go me too. Europe is rising and we will see what happens over there. Right now the US and Europe are trending in opposite directions. However, they are doing better currently than the US by a significant margin. The graph was misleading.

 

[pLow7]

Log scale has its uses but yeah in this case not so useful. Besides, they're both shit as far as I can tell as neither is making any allowance for population size - doesn't seem to be cases per million population or anything like that, and of course we all know that the case count is not really relevant, it's about the death count as the case count is just a function of how much testing is being done.

Yes it almost go me too. Europe is rising and we will see what happens over there. Right now the US and Europe are trending in opposite directions. However, they are doing better currently than the US by a significant margin. The graph was misleading.

That's true. Holiday season is the reason numbers are going high especially in tourist countries like Spain and croatia ( Whole balkan actually ). Will be interesting to see how this will pan out.

 

[prag16]

That' some really, really stupid Graph.

There is still a difference of abour 30K cases a day between the US and Europe:

Yep, this one got me. Was tired browsing on my phone tired as I woke up and didn't notice the log scale. I've pounded the table as much as the next guy to use log instead of linear where necessary, but this isn't one of those times.

 

[BadBurger]

[tweet]

That graph suddenly leaps 30k in one segment along the Y-axis. That person also failed to include a source. How useless. I would doubt any info coming from such a person in the future.


In the meantime, US is still #1

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, various countries
Canada: 7
France: 9
Germany: 3
Italy: 3
Japan: 14
Spain: 25
UK: 18
> Population of countries above: 486 million

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, United States
974
> Population of United States: 328 million


An example of seven other developed nations who's leadership listened to science and had appropriate, early federal responses. Then there's the United States.

 

[Chaplain]

Especially if it's China made.

 

[cryptoadam]

Canada listened to science LOL. Trudope waited for Daddy Trump to do anything. didn't close the border until Trump said so. Tam and Arruda et al were telling people not to wear masks we are idiots. 80% of deaths in my province are at old age homes because our leadership fucked up so much that they let people die in their own shit and starve to death. All of Feb/March our health officials kept telling us the risk was low. And even with the virus coming from Iran we wouldn't shut down travel.

Canada followed the same exact science as the US and did everything the same as the US. We even opened up in early May and didn't mandate masks until after the US started to do so.

Nah the big difference is we don't have an insane evil opposition party that will do everything in its power to make Trudope look bad even killing the economy and people. Also we probably are not as fat as the US. Not as many fatties up here.

But it sure as hell wasn't following any science from Trudope and China Tam I can tell you that. Big Brain Trudope was sending tonnes of our much needed PPE to China when he should of been saving it for Canadians. But black face man needs to virtue signal.

 

[Guileless]

That graph I posted is from the Financial Times newspaper, which is based in Europe. I've seen lots of FT coronavirus graphs on Twitter since March.

 

[Joe T.]

Canada listened to science LOL. Trudope waited for Daddy Trump to do anything. didn't close the border until Trump said so. Tam and Arruda et al were telling people not to wear masks we are idiots. 80% of deaths in my province are at old age homes because our leadership fucked up so much that they let people die in their own shit and starve to death. All of Feb/March our health officials kept telling us the risk was low. And even with the virus coming from Iran we wouldn't shut down travel.

Canada followed the same exact science as the US and did everything the same as the US. We even opened up in early May and didn't mandate masks until after the US started to do so.

Nah the big difference is we don't have an insane evil opposition party that will do everything in its power to make Trudope look bad even killing the economy and people. Also we probably are not as fat as the US. Not as many fatties up here.

But it sure as hell wasn't following any science from Trudope and China Tam I can tell you that. Big Brain Trudope was sending tonnes of our much needed PPE to China when he should of been saving it for Canadians. But black face man needs to virtue signal.

Quebec helped push O'Toole over the edge as leader of the conservative party last night and I loved it because in addition to being anti-cancel culture/political correctness/media he also put out a video in May taking Trudeau, the CCP and the WHO over the coals. It did a good job laying out the timeline with mistakes made when compared to what others were saying/doing. Just have to watch the first 30-60 seconds to get an idea of what it's all about:

 

[DragoonKain]

 

[cryptoadam]

Quebec helped push O'Toole over the edge as leader of the conservative party last night and I loved it because in addition to being anti-cancel culture/political correctness/media he also put out a video in May taking Trudeau, the CCP and the WHO over the coals. It did a good job laying out the timeline with mistakes made when compared to what others were saying/doing. Just have to watch the first 30-60 seconds to get an idea of what it's all about:

What gets me is the part about misinformation. If they were back in march calling alarm bells and border closing misinformation, what else today is being deemed "misinformation" Its just another brick in the wall to show that its about only pushing one narrative and shutting down all dissent and questions.

And to accuse the opposition of sensationalizing the virus when they were right, and then to see them turn around and create so much fear porn over it.

Just shows how they are just power hungry idiots.

But ya Canada followed the science LOL. Trudope is lucky that the Canadian people are actually patriotic and love the country and each other and took into their own hands to take precautions and to social distance/wash hands etc... All the government here managed to do is kill a shit ton of old people due to their incompetence.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Canada listened to science LOL. Trudope waited for Daddy Trump to do anything. didn't close the border until Trump said so. Tam and Arruda et al were telling people not to wear masks we are idiots. 80% of deaths in my province are at old age homes because our leadership fucked up so much that they let people die in their own shit and starve to death. All of Feb/March our health officials kept telling us the risk was low. And even with the virus coming from Iran we wouldn't shut down travel.

Canada followed the same exact science as the US and did everything the same as the US. We even opened up in early May and didn't mandate masks until after the US started to do so.

Nah the big difference is we don't have an insane evil opposition party that will do everything in its power to make Trudope look bad even killing the economy and people. Also we probably are not as fat as the US. Not as many fatties up here.

But it sure as hell wasn't following any science from Trudope and China Tam I can tell you that. Big Brain Trudope was sending tonnes of our much needed PPE to China when he should of been saving it for Canadians. But black face man needs to virtue signal.

You dont have an insane pro-death opposition because You have a chinese puppet leftist in charge in the First place.

If everything went the same way It did with an evil non globalist leader in charge, numbers would be radically different for some reason.

 

[FireFly]

From the fact that one person became re-infected, it doesn't follow that permanent or semi-permanant immunity doesn't exist generally.

Indeed T cell immunity appears to be strong and long lasting, and even exposure to the SARS 1 virus has been shown to confer immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

 

[12Goblins]

fuck my life if true

Hong Kong reports 'first case' of virus reinfection

Experts say no conclusions on immunity can be drawn from one patient - and larger studies are needed.

www.bbc.com

better article

 

[Airbus Jr]

Funny nobody talks about India here

Been watching them lately

Aprox + 40,000 -50,000 new cases everyday

Almost 600-1000 people died there almost everyday

That is way above anyone else

Any IndiaGaf here whats your opinion regarding the situation there

 

[Gp1]

Funny nobody talks about India here

Because the media is distracted with the american elections and is way easier to mock the Brazilian government.

 

[Joe T.]

Funny nobody talks about India here

Been watching them lately

Aprox + 40,000 -50,000 new cases everyday

Almost 600-1000 people died there almost everyday

That is way above anyone else

Any IndiaGaf here whats your opinion regarding the situation there

It was inevitable given the size of its population. As bad as those numbers look, relatively speaking they're doing alright. I've been loosely following it on Twitter, I'll scroll down the list of covid updates from around the world nightly and many of them come from India. The students there are currently trying to take advantage of the virus to cancel school exams.

 

[Nymphae]

That is way above anyone else

So is their level of street shitting

 

[diffusionx]

That graph suddenly leaps 30k in one segment along the Y-axis. That person also failed to include a source. How useless. I would doubt any info coming from such a person in the future.


In the meantime, US is still #1

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, various countries
Canada: 7
France: 9
Germany: 3
Italy: 3
Japan: 14
Spain: 25
UK: 18
> Population of countries above: 486 million

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, United States
974
> Population of United States: 328 million


An example of seven other developed nations who's leadership listened to science and had appropriate, early federal responses. Then there's the United States.

You keep saying this, but the fact is, that the early response in both the US and Europe were basically the same. Both places stayed open when "the science" told them that COVID wasn't a big deal and it was racist to worry about it. Both places started locking down at around the same time, and listened to "the science" when it came in the form of the garbage British Neil Ferguson model. Both places locked down in basically the same way, and didn't mandate masks because "the science" told them it wasn't necessary. Both places had a shortage of PPE and testing equipment and both ramped up quickly. I think the US actually ramped up its testing faster, and that was a key pillar of the response according to "the science." I could go on. In fact, the strain that devastated New York, and which spread from New York out, actually came to us from Europe, by all current scientific evidence.

The truth is, we were in the same boat for most of this. To the point where both places loosened restrictions at roughly the same time, and had very similar numbers, until the George Floyd riots. That is where we diverged. Weeks of uninterrupted and constant rioting/looting which uncapped a wave of violence we are still dealing with. This rioting was supported by the mainstream media and one of our two major political parties. The fact that cases started EXPLODING in the US 1-2 weeks after these riots, in places where COVID was very much under control, went unnoticed and undiscussed by the media, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. It did, and that is functionally the only difference between how the US and Europe handled this. Here in the US, we were in good shape until one of the major parties and our mainstream media decided that it was more important to march in the street shoulder to shoulder every night and, if you feel like it, set a few AutoZones on fire.

 

[diffusionx]

Funny nobody talks about India here

Been watching them lately

Aprox + 40,000 -50,000 new cases everyday

Almost 600-1000 people died there almost everyday

That is way above anyone else

Any IndiaGaf here whats your opinion regarding the situation there

Don't a couple hundred people die from falling into the Ganges every day anyway there?

 

[Chaplain]

Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia John Anderson "is joined by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a Professor of Medicine and Professor (by Courtesy) of Economics at Stanford University. They discuss the international response to the COVID crisis, delving into the efficacy and mental health impacts of widespread, long-term lockdowns (as seen in Victoria), the likelihood of a vaccine development and the extraordinary levels of government debt that has fuelled the COVID recovery." (8/23/20)

 

[JORMBO]

I'm sure we all already know he is a crazy idiot, but...

 

[Birgitte2004-2]

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, various countries
Canada: 7
France: 9
Germany: 3
Italy: 3
Japan: 14
Spain: 25
UK: 18
> Population of countries above: 486 million

COVID-19 deaths yesterday, United States
974
> Population of United States: 328 million


An example of seven other developed nations who's leadership listened to science and had appropriate, early federal responses. Then there's the United States.

It is highly amusing to me that of your hand-picked 7 countries, 3 of them have had a more deadly COVID-19 than the US.

Deaths/million people:
Spain: 617
UK: 610
Italy: 586
US: 547

You had such a simple job and you came up with this?

 

[DeepBreath87]

From the fact that one person became re-infected, it doesn't follow that permanent or semi-permanant immunity doesn't exist generally.

Indeed T cell immunity appears to be strong and long lasting, and even exposure to the SARS 1 virus has been shown to confer immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

All I know for sure is we are not seeing mass reinfections. One cases is one case.

I'm sure we all already know he is a crazy idiot, but...

There are people that want to collapse. Burn it all down so they can build something else in its place.

 

[diffusionx]

All I know for sure is we are not seeing mass reinfections. One cases is one case.

There are people that want to collapse. Burn it all down so they can build something else in its place.

in Bill deBlasio's case, it is full blown communism.

Imagine this face, stomping on your head, forever.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[BadBurger]

Daily, depressing

.....

Ah, the deaths per X million angle again, as if that means anything. I'll let the Axios reporter's reaction to Trump trying to use that meaningless, arbitrary presentation of the data do the talking for me:

Now, back to useful raw data - our daily depressing news that the US still has no federal response even as cases continue to rise:

And of course, that is still leading to continued deaths in the US while other first world nations are flattened, and have been for a month:

 

[Stouffers]

How long Nostradamus?

My guess, WAY too long with this president.