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[subversus]

I concur.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

To be honest I don't know if I find ME2's combat terribly broken or imbalanced.

I played as an Infiltrator.

Sniper wasn't much better.

Powerful Sniper Rifle + Explosive Rounds = Instakill AOE damage

 

[Wallach]

With the right equipment it is. Widowmaker makes a mess of every enemy on any difficulty when combited with cloak and the right ammo mods. But ME1 was exactly the same. Max out the Pistol's power and you could spam its high damage fast firing highly accurate attack without the gun ever overheating, an once the power cooled down you could reactivate it immediately. Sniper wasn't much better.

It does I guess, but going that route is more safe than it is outright broken. It's actually a pretty slow way to go about combat. I suppose SRs could probably stand to do less damage against barrier.

 

[EatChildren]

It does I guess, but going that route is more safe than it is outright broken. It's actually a pretty slow way to go about combat. I suppose SRs could probably stand to do less damage against barrier.

I wouldn't call it slow. Its not like Infiltrator play is slow and stealthy. Its still pretty confronting and fast. It just happens that sniper rifles, the Widowmaker in particular, is the win button.

Powerful Sniper Rifle + Explosive Rounds = Instakill AOE damage

I remember getting out of the Mako to fight Geth Colossus with that combination. Spectre class sniper rifle, explosive rounds, and the assassin power. Win button V1.0.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Heh, yeah sniper rifles are pretty awesome and Infiltrator is the objectively right class to play, it's true *slips on stealth shades (they are invisible), fist bumps garrus and legion, co-bros of team snipe the fuck out of everything ever*

 

[Advance_Alarm]

Are we going to see any elcor soldiers? having one on your crew would be legit. They also need to add ship-to-ship combat Skies of Arcadia style

 

[EmCeeGramr]

god this final boss of me2 is taking forever even with super special heavy weapons like lasers and nukes and black hole guns just sit still asshole!!!

*pulls out widowmaker, activates every buffing power, suddenly half of boss's health bar disappears*

heh

 

[EatChildren]

Are we going to see any elcor soldiers? having one on your crew would be legit. They also need to add ship-to-ship combat Skies of Arcadia style

No, but we will get an Elcor Hamlet party member.

 

[Phoenix]

I never played the first game, loved the second and am looking forward to the 3rd more than pretty much anything else coming out - yes even more than Skyrim. I take tech over trolls as a default.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

mass effect 3: instead of bullets, the sniper rifles will now fire small reapers

 

[Zen]

Only have a couple of real requests for ME3:

Main Theme (far superior to ME2's theme)

ME2's soundtrack is really forgettable compared to these gems - M4 Part 2 shat on absolutely everything, even the Afterlife lower level music.

God, the moment when I became a specter and this music was playing; it was one of the greatest moments of this gen, for me.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

ME1 had Vigil, which was one of the best expository scenes in gaming.

ME2 had no equivalent.

Very true.

 

[Subitai]

Yay, finally Return of the Spectre!


Some things I'd like:


- Can we please see females of all the races?
- Pre-rendered Jane Shep.
- Rachni, Elcor, and Hanarr team members!
- Have Legion be able to move into different platforms depending on the situation. I mean, a Colossus in you're crew for planet side missions!
- Allow your love interest from ME1 be able to join you from the beginning (even Kaiden just to be fair to the girl gamers that like him).
- Let the player help Tali and Garrus hook up if you don't pick either for yourself
- Bring back explosive ammo!
- More of the Renegade choices need to go back to ME1 jerk levels.
- Um, Normandy needs to be cruiser size to fit a bigger and badder team.
- More Kasumi and Zaheed.

...there's more that I can't think of atm.

ok, i remembered a few more:

- more missions with STG and Asari Commandos
- explanations for ALL the dark matter references in ME2
- option of taking over one of the mercenary groups of your choice
- fix vanguard charge clip/bugging (that killed me more times than I could stand)
- more synergy effects a la warp explosions - like overloading a hacked mech should cause additional explosive damage or raise its weapon damage
- more enemies than armor stripped Krogan that can make use of shredder ammo
-

 

[Talon]

That build-up from the Prothean planet to Virgil to defending the Citadel made the whole of Mass Effect 2 pretty disappointing. They tried to replicate it with the final set piece, but it didn't work as well.

For one, the amount of world-building that was built into that sequence was incredible. Up until that point, you really only had a taste of what the scale of this thing could be. That also made ME2 a buzzkill 'cause you're made to basically leave that on the sideline.

That said, there were moments like the Legion mission and the escape that were done pretty damn well.

Now that we're returning to the central threat, I have faith that Bioware deliver the payola.

Also, Bioware, can we please stay away from those dark red hues in ME3? Really too much of that in the sequel.

 

[heliosRAzi]

ok, i remembered a few more:

- more missions with STG and Asari Commandos
- explanations for ALL the dark matter references in ME2
- option of taking over one of the mercenary groups of your choice
- fix vanguard charge clip/bugging (that killed me more times than I could stand)
- more synergy effects a la warp explosions - like overloading a hacked mech should cause additional explosive damage or raise its weapon damage
- more enemies than armor stripped Krogan that can make use of shredder ammo
-

How about more working with other SPECTERs? It was kind of nice in the Shadowbroker DLC, but she was a traitor. I prefer a turian, though.

 

[Flipyap]

I mean, not for nothing but...

the fact that the human civilization and its champion were the first civilization to fight back and actually win...

... the fact that the reapers were trying to integrate humanity into their new designs... Etc.

Humanity - and by extension the world where most humans still live in the ME universe - has always been important. It often is, disproportionately so, in fantasy / science fiction. One may surmise that this is because 100% of the authors of such material are biased humans.

Because they are big, stupid cuttlefish!

 

[Callibretto]

I always want to get into Mass Effect games, but I haven't even beat ME1 on pc. I was so into it at the beginning but after planet hopping a couple times I got bored and kinda lose focus on the main story, it's not helping that I just can't get into the gameplay and it's tactical depth or whatever. I use auto leveling, put difficulty to easy and just point and shoot. eventually I stop playing.

I'm thinking to just continue playing and rush it to the end and continue with ME2 on ps3 or pc. ps3 sounds tempting, all dlc included and I can play on my big tv. unless of course ps3 version have significant performance issues.

by the way, am I missing a lot if I just rush through the end, ignore sidequest etc, also ME2 can import ME1 save file right? how does it work if you play it fresh? is there one canon ending for ME 1 and 2? I heard character can dies in ME1 and 2, I really don't want to use guides on how to prevent that. is it obvious when they're about to die and what I can do to prevent that?

 

[EatChildren]

In case you dont know, the PS3 version is coming with an interactive animated comic that tells the events of the first games along with, and allows you to experience the major decisions. You can then use the save file generated by this comic to carry your character through into ME2, and then ME3.

I love Mass Effect so I think its worth playing, but if you dont really want to play it and instead go straight into two the comic might be a nice substitute.

 

[Callibretto]

In case you dont know, the PS3 version is coming with an interactive animated comic that tells the events of the first games along with, and allows you to experience the major decisions. You can then use the save file generated by this comic to carry your character through into ME2, and then ME3.

I love Mass Effect so I think its worth playing, but if you dont really want to play it and instead go straight into two the comic might be a nice substitute.

well, like I said, I really want to like the game. I loved it when I first play it until I got the ship and get the option to go which I planet I want to go next. since that moment, I thought it lose focus of the main story a bit, instead I got these mini plot that's imo not as interesting, then there's character sidequest that distract me from the main quest. it's same problem I have with Oblivion, which I like but never finish too...

I think if I start playing it again, I can start enjoying it again, but I have to set myself to focus on the main quest, so I don't get distracted again and lose interest again.

 

[Subitai]

How about more working with other SPECTERs? It was kind of nice in the Shadowbroker DLC, but she was a traitor. I prefer a turian, though.

Oh yeah, why didn't I think of that. ><

Or, it would be cool if you could negotiate Specter status for 1 or 2 of your crew.

 

[itxaka]

Only have a couple of real requests for ME3:

1. Please return to the bright, clean colour palette of the first game (and this does not mean they can't have destruction). I think they are already headed in the right direction as the teaser wasn't overly dark like ME2 was.

2. Tying in with this, please make the soundtrack more magical and techno/synth focused like ME1. I miss tracks like this:

Main Theme (far superior to ME2's theme)
The Presidium
The Wards
Noveria
The Normandy
Battle at Eden
The Thorian
Vigil
Feros
M4 Part 2 (truly one of the greatest ending themes, I hope they pay tribute to it in the ME3 credits rather than some farty orchestra)


ME2's soundtrack is really forgettable compared to these gems - M4 Part 2 shat on absolutely everything, even the Afterlife lower level music.

ME1 soundtrack is gotta be one of the best of all time. It fits perfectly.

 

[EatChildren]

well, like I said, I really want to like the game. I loved it when I first play it until I got the ship and get the option to go which I planet I want to go next. since that moment, I thought it lose focus of the main story a bit, instead I got these mini plot that's imo not as interesting, then there's character sidequest that distract me from the main quest. it's same problem I have with Oblivion, which I like but never finish too...

I think if I start playing it again, I can start enjoying it again, but I have to set myself to focus on the main quest, so I don't get distracted again and lose interest again.

Then just play the main quest. The best parts of Mass Effect are all there. Most of the side quests are shit.

 

[Metroidvania]

Then just play the main quest. The best parts of Mass Effect are all there. Most of the side quests are shit.

Well, do all the companion loyalty quests, they're the best-designed and most interesting in building the character-driven plot that is ME2.

But ignore planet scanning if/when you get the upgrades for the Normandy, and skip all the little N7 missions, they're pretty bland.

 

[EatChildren]

Well, do all the companion loyalty quests, they're the best-designed and most interesting in building the character-driven plot that is ME2.

But ignore planet scanning if/when you get the upgrades for the Normandy, and skip all the little N7 missions, they're pretty bland.

I think he's talking about just the first game, as he wants to play through it on PC and then pick up ME2 on PS3.

But yeah, if you're talking about ME2 listen to Metroidvania. Do the side missions, at least the loyalty quests, as they're actually good.

 

[Metroidvania]

I think he's talking about just the first game, as he wants to play through it on PC and then pick up ME2 on PS3.

But yeah, if you're talking about ME2 listen to Metroidvania. Do the side missions, at least the loyalty quests, as they're actually good.

Ah, yeah, I misread.

ME1 sidequests definitely have their downsides, but there are a few noteworthy ones, such as the Cerebrus ones involving Kohaku and the various main-planet gotten ones that leads to a minor continuation of each's main side-story.

But other than that, you really don't need to be a completionist to get the gist of ME1.

 

[koji]

Oh man I hate Bioware!

Oh man I love Bioware!

:-|

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

ME1 soundtrack is gotta be one of the best of all time. It fits perfectly.

Yeah, I hope they return to something like that for 3.

 

[Tears For Fears]

I think they should kill off every female and rename the game the adventures of Tali and Shepard. <3

 

[EatChildren]

I think they should kill off every female and rename the game the adventures of Tali and Shepard. <3

Goddamn Talimancers.

 

[Lakitu]

The club music in ME 2 was completely awesome. Especially Eternity on Illium.

That said, I completely agree on ME's ost, it's probably my favourite of the gen. ME 2's was forgettable for the most part.

 

[Dilly]

I always thought the ME2 story will stand or fall with ME3's story.

If they are going to start with a new crew again for ME3, then ME2 was a bit pointless. If you start out with the same crew, or a part of it then ME2 had it's place. Second installments in trilogies are the slowest in story progression most of the time.

ME soundtrack is great, but I do love some songs from ME2 too. Collectors base theme for example.

 

[Antiochus]

I have "heard" rumors that this was originally to be paired with ME2's ending credits, but pulled at the last minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPpbhtkEySw


Alas, it was not to be

 

[hateradio]

I have "heard" rumors that this was originally to be paired with ME2's ending credits, but pulled at the last minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPpbhtkEySw


Alas, it was not to be

They really shouldn't use music with lyrics at all. Ever.

 

[HK-47]

god this final boss of me2 is taking forever even with super special heavy weapons like lasers and nukes and black hole guns just sit still asshole!!!

*pulls out widowmaker, activates every buffing power, suddenly half of boss's health bar disappears*

heh

Will the reapers shoot out black holes?

 

[HK-47]

I think he's talking about just the first game, as he wants to play through it on PC and then pick up ME2 on PS3.

But yeah, if you're talking about ME2 listen to Metroidvania. Do the side missions, at least the loyalty quests, as they're actually good.

Some of them are. And most of the them boiling down to learning about trust and loyalty and friendship like a generic anime.

But hey, at least it feels like you are doing something.

 

[Solo]

ME2 had a giant Terminator baby

I still cannot reconcile just how awful the endgame for ME2 was :lol

ASSUMING CONTROL.

THIS HURTS YOU

Oh, shut the fuck up, Harbinger.

 

[Lince]

I still cannot reconcile just how awful the endgame for ME2 was :lol

not just the endgame, ME2 was just an awful game and an insult to ME1 fans, went from an excellent RPG with tactical combat and a lot of exploration to a hand-holding, ordinary corridor third person shooter with atrocious level design and some stupid design decisions... "planet scanning is fun". What a terrible disappointment and mediocre game.

That said, I'm moderately hyped for ME3 and ready to forget ME2 ever existed.

 

[Solo]

not just the endgame, ME2 was just an awful game and an insult to ME1 fans

While I happen to agree with you, I was simply trying not to steer this back into another ME1 vs ME2 battle.

 

[Gui_PT]

While I happen to agree with you, I was simply trying not to steer this back into another ME1 vs ME2 battle.

I haven't finished ME2 yet, but it feels like the story just isn't going anywhere. Does this change towards the end or should I get ready to be disappointed already?

 

[Solo]

I haven't finished ME2 yet, but it feels like the story just isn't going anywhere. Does this change towards the end or should I get ready to be disappointed already?

The story doesn't pick up, sorry. The only stories to speak of are the loyalty quests.

 

[Wiggum2007]

They really shouldn't use music with lyrics at all. Ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcrDWAuyqtc

 

[Chinner]

ME2 had a pretty good opening, it was a well played move to destroy the Normandy and kill Shepard, even if it was ultimately pointless.

I think in hindsight, even though its a pretty 'epic' opening, I would of preferred if they had kept the Normandy.

 

[Gui_PT]

The story doesn't pick up, sorry. The only stories to speak of are the loyalty quests.

That's a sad thing to read right there. It just feels like I could skip ME2 and wouldn't miss a thing in terms of story.

Only thing I like more about ME2 so far is how polished things are. And I find combat to be a bit more fun, even though a lot of "powers" are missing and the lack of weapon upgrades =\




Oh, and Miranda.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Thing is, there were some amazing moments in ME1, moments with a lot of impact.

I hope bioware can deliver this time.

 

[Kurtofan]

I haven't finished ME2 yet, but it feels like the story just isn't going anywhere. Does this change towards the end or should I get ready to be disappointed already?

The endgame is just fantastic.

It really boggles the mind that people can hate a game this good.

 

[Patryn]

That's a sad thing to read right there. It just feels like I could skip ME2 and wouldn't miss a thing in terms of story.

Only thing I like more about ME2 so far is how polished things are. And I find combat to be a bit more fun, even though a lot of "powers" are missing and the lack of weapon upgrades =\




Oh, and Miranda.

You wouldn't and you won't. Pretty much the only thing you need to know is who the squad in ME2 are.

EDIT: I forgot Lair of the Shadow Broker. That expansion DOES advance the main storyline, and I highly advise that you play it.

The endgame is just fantastic.

It really boggles the mind that people can hate a game this good.

ME2's endgame is too short and way too easy to perfect. But part of that may be because I'm comparing it to ME1's endgame, which is possibly my favorite endgame sequence of all time. As an individual product, its endgame is alright.

Except the end boss. He's a joke. I mean that literally, too. I busted out laughing the first time I saw him.

 

[Solo]

The endgame is just fantastic.

Make a direct comparison to ME1's endgame it falls several orders of magnitude short. Fighting on an alien ship against a human-reaper-baby-thing which you can kill with a pistol just is not even in the same league as storming the Citadel and taking down Saren, all amidst a gigantic battle raging on against Sovereign outside the Citadel.

ME1 has one of the best endgames of all time. ME2 has an endgame.

 

[Kurtofan]

Make a direct comparison to ME1's endgame it falls several orders of magnitude short. Fighting on an alien ship against a human-reaper-baby-thing which you can kill with a pistol just is not even in the same league as storming the Citadel and taking down Saren, all amidst a gigantic battle raging on against Sovereign outside the Citadel.

Ok the endboss is better, but I prefered storming the collector base.
I just really liked that companions had a bigger role in the ending.

 

[Red]

Make a direct comparison to ME1's endgame it falls several orders of magnitude short. Fighting on an alien ship against a human-reaper-baby-thing which you can kill with a pistol just is not even in the same league as storming the Citadel and taking down Saren, all amidst a gigantic battle raging on against Sovereign outside the Citadel.

ME1 has one of the best endgames of all time. ME2 has an endgame.

As stupid as the terminator Reaper was, Saren was a boring, easy fight, and was basically a reskin of a normal enemy from earlier in the game.

Breaking onto the outside of the Citadel to scale it as Saren was attacking -- that was great. The final battle? Certainly not better than ME2's, regardless of context.

I also didn't like Ilos, but that's just me. Between returning to the Citadel and up until the point where I ran into Saren, everything was great. Superlatively great. Went downhill again after that, with the dumb "oh no is Shepherd dead!?" Because of course not, it's the first of a trilogy.

 

[webrunner]

I think they should kill off every female and rename the game the adventures of Tali and Shepard. <3

How can you have a game about Tali and Shepard if you kill off all the females? Wouldn't they both be dead?