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Media Create Sales: 01/05 - 01/11
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JoshuaJSlone
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Did anyone get Dengeki stuff for the week beginning December 29? The normal top 50 is two weeks advanced from the last time I checked it. Must've been switched mid-week to catch up? The top 10 listing they put in their news section went from the week of 12-22 one week to the week of 01-05 the next, without one in between.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Based on the latest Media Create hardware numbers...
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 62.7 / 37.3 bring total shares to 68.9 / 31.1. If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 230.4 weeks (June 12, 2013).
X360 vs PS3: Weekly shares of 27.3 / 72.7 bring total shares to 24.1 / 75.9. If PS3 stopped selling and X360 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 175.4 weeks (May 24, 2012).
PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 40.6 / 59.4 bring total shares to 26.2 / 73.8. If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 175.1 weeks (May 21, 2012).
Week over week, everything tanks. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 62.7 / 37.3 bring total shares to 68.9 / 31.1. If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 230.4 weeks (June 12, 2013).
X360 vs PS3: Weekly shares of 27.3 / 72.7 bring total shares to 24.1 / 75.9. If PS3 stopped selling and X360 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 175.4 weeks (May 24, 2012).
PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 40.6 / 59.4 bring total shares to 26.2 / 73.8. If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 175.1 weeks (May 21, 2012).
Week over week, everything tanks. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Y2Kev said:
Infinite Undiscovery shipping 200K in North America as listed in that document is incredible. It makes IU their fourth-best selling software of the last fiscal year.
I seriously wonder what happened with the shipping/distributor situation, and whether it had anything to do with Microsoft and their dealings with Squeenix.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
So before I get to the normal Famitsu stuff, I notice some larger-than-normal discrepancies between these and Media Create's version of the two weeks Famitsu combines: the ones starting December 22 and December 29. It appears Famitsu is more generous towards every system.
Based on the latest Famitsu hardware numbers...
PSP comparisons: After 213 weeks, PSP is where PS2 was at 165.5 weeks (May 1, 2003), where DS was at 95.6 weeks (September 28, 2006), and where GBA was at 145.2 weeks (December 30, 2003).
X360 comparisons: After 151 weeks, X360 is where GCN was at 15.7 weeks (December 28, 2001), where PS3 was at 25.0 weeks (April 29, 2007), and where Wii was at 4.5 weeks (December 27, 2006).
PS3 comparisons: After 113 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 29.2 weeks (September 18, 2000), where PSP was at 56.5 weeks (January 4, 2006), where GCN was at 118.1 weeks (December 15, 2003), and where Wii was at 29.5 weeks (June 21, 2007).
Wii comparisons: After 110 weeks, Wii is where GBA was at 93.2 weeks (December 31, 2002), where DS was at 74.4 weeks (May 3, 2006), where PS2 was at 109.6 weeks (April 4, 2002), and where PSP was at 160.7 weeks (January 4, 2008).
DSi comparisons: After 10 weeks, DSi is where GBASP was at 25.4 weeks (August 6, 2003), and where DSL was at 10.2 weeks (May 9, 2006).
Wii narrowly misses catching back up to PS2. Now that the holiday bump is over, it may not do that any time soon.
Code:
Wii
MC: 254,923
Fam: 303,730
Diff: +48,807 or +19%
DSL
MC: 104,613
Fam: 116,214
Diff: +11,601 or +11%
DSi
MC: 371,215
Fam: 418,343
Diff: +47,128 or +13%
PS2
MC: 22,952
Fam: 32,008
Diff: +9,056 or +39%
PS3
MC: 106,643
Fam: 116,813
Diff: +10,170 or +10%
PSP
MC: 275,853
Fam: 289,244
Diff: +13,391 or +5%
X360
MC: 22,952
Fam: 31,947
Diff: +8,995 or +28%Based on the latest Famitsu hardware numbers...
PSP comparisons: After 213 weeks, PSP is where PS2 was at 165.5 weeks (May 1, 2003), where DS was at 95.6 weeks (September 28, 2006), and where GBA was at 145.2 weeks (December 30, 2003).
X360 comparisons: After 151 weeks, X360 is where GCN was at 15.7 weeks (December 28, 2001), where PS3 was at 25.0 weeks (April 29, 2007), and where Wii was at 4.5 weeks (December 27, 2006).
PS3 comparisons: After 113 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 29.2 weeks (September 18, 2000), where PSP was at 56.5 weeks (January 4, 2006), where GCN was at 118.1 weeks (December 15, 2003), and where Wii was at 29.5 weeks (June 21, 2007).
Wii comparisons: After 110 weeks, Wii is where GBA was at 93.2 weeks (December 31, 2002), where DS was at 74.4 weeks (May 3, 2006), where PS2 was at 109.6 weeks (April 4, 2002), and where PSP was at 160.7 weeks (January 4, 2008).
DSi comparisons: After 10 weeks, DSi is where GBASP was at 25.4 weeks (August 6, 2003), and where DSL was at 10.2 weeks (May 9, 2006).
Wii narrowly misses catching back up to PS2. Now that the holiday bump is over, it may not do that any time soon.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Lightning said:
my comment was related to japan, which is the subject of this thread.
so3 did 800k in japan.
so4 will not do 800k in japan.
it would be impossible for so4 to do 800k in japan
JoshuaJSlone
Member
OK, with both the two-week Top 30 and the individual week Top 20s, those weeks are fairly well covered, until we get more from Top 100/500s.
Based on the latest Famitsu hardware numbers...
Mario Kart Wii passes 2 million.
Wii Fit passes 3 million.
Dissidia passes Crisis Core.
A couple recent music titles have caused bigger-than-normal third party stirs on Wii. Taiko Wii is now the #2 third party game on teh system, and Karaoke Joysound is #7.
The third Layton's (3293) weekly sales aren't holding up quite as well as the second so far, but thanks to the bigger start it's still matching its total this far from launch very closely.
Based on the latest Famitsu hardware numbers...
Mario Kart Wii passes 2 million.
Wii Fit passes 3 million.
Dissidia passes Crisis Core.
A couple recent music titles have caused bigger-than-normal third party stirs on Wii. Taiko Wii is now the #2 third party game on teh system, and Karaoke Joysound is #7.
The third Layton's (3293) weekly sales aren't holding up quite as well as the second so far, but thanks to the bigger start it's still matching its total this far from launch very closely.
Most Western developers see the handheld as a platform in which you can make easy money with little investment. Many Western PSP games were outsourced ports of the PS2 counterpart that suffered from poor controls and hardware optimization.
With the development cost of an average PSP game being a hair behind that of an average PS2 game, most Western developers cut bait after software sales floundered.
With the development cost of an average PSP game being a hair behind that of an average PS2 game, most Western developers cut bait after software sales floundered.
Stumpokapow said:
This 800k is an awfully inflated number. It's a lot more realistic to say that SO3 did 500k in Japan, because that's what it did, before they re-released it, and even then, it only did 600-700k.
SO3 did 500k in Japan, SO won't do 500k in Japan, it's impossible. But it is possible that SO4 will do 250k in Japan, which isn't all that bad all things considered. If SO4 doesn't do over 200k in Japan within the first month, then I think that would be a disappointment in terms of expected sales.
Yikes! Well, with UC we do have a subseries point of comparison at least...ccbfan said:
Gun Survivor 2: Resident Evil Code: Veronica Capcom 118,747
Gun Survivor 3: Dino Crisis Capcom 76,720
Gun Survivor 4: Resident Evil Heroes Never Die Capcom 40,622
...you honestly wouldn't call "a side game like"...
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles Capcom 241,855
..."a smashing success" after that? :lol
Nevermind that I don't see anyone calling MGSPO/+ a "failure", nor that it actually isn't a genre divergent spinoff (Kojipro actually considers it core series iirc?). If you want a comparable PSP genre divergent spinoff failure for the franchise (which I've already mentioned) it's...
Metal Gear Acid 2 Konami 50,943
LOL. I don't see anyone calling any of the PSP Winning Elevens failures? That'd be the DS or 360 iterations. :lolccbfan said:
Also worth mentioning the Wii version was the final iteration released, by a month, of a game that hit six platforms before it. Now, the PSP version wasn't treated much kinder (5th platform release, a month earlier than the Wii SKU), but then it was also the 3rd WE on it's platform and wasn't building an audience ground up. Previous WE games on PSP sold within the same 100-200k range iirc, which I don't think most would consider all that bad.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Zihark said:
atelier lise 40,542 for famitsu
Their best-selling is Atelier Lilie, which was released in 2001 and sold 90k.
Dash Kappei said:
Yeah. At least PES 2009 PSP has online this year, only took them 4 years! Konami is Sony's bitch [/farham].
I can't believe how some people think publishers expect psp games like Tales of the World, Dynasty Warriors or PES 6/2008 selling like the main ps2 entries. Like I said before, must be that they know nothing about those psp games.
SimpleDesign
Member
I wonder how big the marketing campaign will be, not even Blue Dragon could top 250k in Japan.duckroll said:
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It's not the people setting expectations too high its the publishers on the whole actually.Spiegel said:
They are looking for another PS2. They aren't finding one aside from the DS. This leaves them confused and befuddled. Making them overshoot expectations on a myriad of titles, on a myriad of platforms as they try to find their white knights equal.
Fun generation overall.
I only saw donny mentioning general franchise drops, did he really specify Radiant Mythology? :lolSpiegel said:
Truth be told, the Tales franchise fatigue is an issue bigger than just whatever platform it's being whored to at the moment... and RM's one of the few games to even beat that trend compared to ND1-3.
jarrod said:
No, see my edit.
Tales is only an example. He says publishers can't expect selling 300k/400k+ on the psp because ps2 sagas have failed doing that on the handled.
Truth is: psp don't have a main tales or a main dynasty warriors or a main pes or a main sengoku basara or a main ff or a main star ocean or a main... See my point?
Well, I think that's probably true to a degree, but I wouldn't put an exact ceiling (ie: 400k) on it. In a general sense though it just seems likely due to overall market trends, regradless of cherrypicking examples.Spiegel said:
Honestly, I think had for example Crisis Core been a PS2 game, it's have sold quite a bit more. I think the case will probably be similar for KH BBS. On the other hand, I'm not sure Dissidia or Agito FFXIII would, given their entire design seems better suited to PSP as a platform. It goes both ways really, but saying "PS2 style games would sell better on PS2" doesn't seem like that huge a leap.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Yeah, here it is (450) doing quite better than any of its GBA predecessors. There was a GBC Tales of the World game, too, but it didn't do better.jarrod said:
asdfsdfoasdpofjisadfopiajsfopwipiwnf If Namco had expected Radiant Mythology to do so well that they'd need to sell 300K in Japan to break even, then they would have lost money on it. Budgeting for minor success is Not A Bad Thing.Spiegel said:
JoshuaJSlone said:
Who said that?
Thanks for proving my point
I the only one who is saying that publishers don't expect psp games selling like ps2 games because the budget and the effort are usually lower. New Psp games with a budget/effort comparable to ps2 counterparts that sold +400k have not failed selling +400k
jarrod said:
I'm still not sure UC can be compared to the Gun Survivor series. UC is undeniably a part of the main series, featuring the main cast and a plot that figures into the main series. Capcom's got a time line promotion for the series leading up to RE5 in Japan, and UC gets a spot in that timeline, while the GS games and Outbreak don't.
Good point about MGA btw. Portable Ops seems more comparable to Biohazard Deadly Silence than it does to Umbrella Chronicles. And Deadly Silence sales outpaced the MGA series.
And Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, for randomness sake
jarrod said:
Except if Crisis Core was released on the PS2, it may have sold less. Two reasons: a dying platform, and the ghost of Dirge of Cerburus. In many ways Crisis Core benefitted from a clean break from Dirge, as well as pitch-perfect timing, since it was at the height of Monster Hunter 2 Portable mania.
But then, we're all speculating, so no one wins.
Really, I doubt it. High profile PS2 games are still charting and as for DOC's negative impact, most Crisis Core owners as is likely have PS2s anyway. If DOC was so detrimental, it would've effected Crisis Core no matter it's platform.Grimmy said:
I also don't see much relevance with MHP2, which released six months earlier? The games are in different genres with entirely different focuses? This isn't like PSU. The timing with PSP2000 was good but come on... you really don't see a game like Crisis Core cracking 1m+ on PS2? Seriously? When something like FFX-2 did twice that?
I dunno, GS seems like the closest point of comparison imo, despite in game canon. Same genre, same development team, similar budget... it's far closer to the GS games than the main SH series titles really.cvxfreak said:I'm still not sure UC can be compared to the Gun Survivor series. UC is undeniably a part of the main series, featuring the main cast and a plot that figures into the main series. Capcom's got a time line promotion for the series leading up to RE5 in Japan, and UC gets a spot in that timeline, while the GS games and Outbreak don't.
jarrod said:
Crisis Core outsold every PS2 game out that year and since. I'm sure Square Enix was happy with that. You are speculating on something we will never know, so me trying to convince you otherwise (or vice versa) is a waste of time. But FFX-2 is totally different since it's actually a full RPG with teams, etc. To compare them is really futile - it's like trying to justify Mystic Quest versus Final Fantasy IV.
And MHP2 revived interest in the PSP, and more importantly significantly increased its HARDWARE SALES. To think it had no relevance is blind.
jarrod said:
I'm not so sure. Crisis core is a short (main story is 15 hours) Action RPG with little to no exploration, it's not comparable to a long turnbased rpg.
I'd say ~800k is a good number and S-E must think the same thing when they announced Agito XIII and PE3 after that.
Spiegel said:
Yes. Crisis Core established the PSP as one of SE's bases. Without it, definitely the sales of Dissidia wouldn't be as high. Let's just say that SE really doesn't have much to complain about the PSP. Last we heard Crisis Core was nearing 2 million worldwide, with Europe just released. I'd imagine it's over 2 million now - impressive number.
Agito's multiplayer focused though? That seems more following in the MHP/PSP/Dissidia trend than Crisis Core, even if it's battle system more mirrors the latter. And I'm not saying SE is disappointed in Crisis Core, I'm only saying it probably could've sold better on PS2. The main story in FFX-2 is only 25 hours, also well shirt of the 40 hour miniumum we've come to expect from the main entires.Spiegel said:
As an aside, how do you expect KH BBS to sell? On par with KH2 or worse?
jarrod said:
Worse. 500,000, but doubt it'll reach even Crisis Core's height.
And SE has proven tha not only MHP wannabes sell. Obviously SE had a plan when Crisis Core was made - and it's not just based on the sales of one game, so whether it sold more or less on PS2/PSP is moot. It wanted to establish another possible market on a hardware, and it did just that with both Crisis Core and Dissidia.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ye, that is a good pointbcn-ron said:
I wonder how the situation will be in the upcomming years, if Xbox 360 will contunie get more exclusive RPGs from 3rd parties, or if 3rd parties will start to make multiplatform RPGs instead.Well, at least you can still use it to refute donny's 400k ceiling then. :lolGrimmy said:
I really think the KH games are bit misjudged in terms of platform though. BBS should've been a PS2 game and 352/8d should've been a PSP game. I think SE's done themselves somewhat a disservice by abandoning PS2 so early honestly.
Crisis Core would've sold regardless though, it's not much like MHP imo, which was really a perfect fusion between platform and game design. In that sense, MHP's more similar to Pokemon, Crisis Core's more Mario Kart.Grimmy said:
I can see your point in market building, which is probably more key. I also sort of wonder how a multiplatform CC might've gone over?
Case said:
Well Star Ocean is an established name, WKC is a new ip and it still sold well. There is less 360s in Japan but I think that the a new game in the Star Ocean series will generate good sales. I think at the it should come close to 300K. If not that then around 200K.
jarrod said:I sure didn't. But it's first party, so clearly it doesn't count anyway.
? Theres a rule against first party games or something I'm not getting?
GBA version's entirely different though, unlike BBS it isn't retaining the core series genre/gameplay or budget/production values. BBS seems basically like a core series installment but lacking the number... it's like the series' "Code: Veronica" really.Spiegel said:
Unless you're saying a number is that important? What if they'd have just called it "Kingdom Hearts Zero", then would it have sold better?
The number seems to be important in the mind of the general public. I don't get it though because it's one of the most stupidest thing I've ever encountered. FFXIII for example is seen as the main game while Versus XIII is seen as a spin-off despite the fact that both games have the absolutely fantastic development teams and are getting an incredible amount of effort put into them.jarrod said:
jarrod said:
I know
Resident Evil 3 PSX 1.3 million
Resident Evil Code Veronica DC + PS2 773k
jarrod said:
Yes, the number is important. That's what I'm saying.
And KH1 (without reeditions) sold ~850 so the psp version selling AT LEAST 700k (without reeditions) would not be a bad number.