The series is getting troubles in Asia too. Yakuza 6 is not loved in Asia.
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The series is getting troubles in Asia too. Yakuza 6 is not loved in Asia.
Well, it's starting to do better in NA, at least...
frankie_baby
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2.5 million is still more than most of their games not named monhun or resi sell anyway so to just lose those customers would be a terrible use of resources, also the chances of them gaining 2.5m outside japan is pretty much slim to non existant
Sure it's a massive risk but that's obviously what they're counting on. If World is successful they don't need a Switch game if World isn't successful it's not like it will matter how long they take to get a Switch game out because A) They have no competition and B) They'll have bigger problems.
frankie_baby
Member
Even at the best possible expectations (except maybe some board member at capcpom's) sales will be down and massively so in japan, you think investors will be happy seeing that money left on the table
MH World could be massively successful in the west. You shouldn't count it out.
Even if it does decline it still depends whether they think it's because of platform choice or Capcom's general incompetence. There's no guarantee a Switch version would make up the difference.
frankie_baby
Member
Yeah and i could win the lottery tonight
Should also remember it was selling over a million in the west already, there's no way on the planet it'll do the 3.5 it'll need to make up for lost japanese sales
*shrugs* I doubt it will, but it could.
Regardless unless the whole company implodes it doesn't matter to Capcom and it's the reason they can get away with their shambolic treatment of MHXX Switch. If audiences want handheld hunting action going forward MHXX is their only option and they'd wait however long it took a new handheld MH game.
Eolz
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I'm not expecting anything anymore with Capcom
I'm just saying it would have made more sense (it wouldn't make sense to release World Lite 9 months later even if they'll probably do that).
I don't expect MH to work well as a GaaS title, but they'll have to go there at some point anyway.
I see it happening too regardless of how MHW does.
Its not an either or proposition, especially with Switch's success in Japan and world wide.
OfficerRaichu15
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So what do y'all predict for MHXX first week sales?
I'm guessing 100k like ARMS
I'm guessing 100k like ARMS
It is at some level. They might not have the resources to make two separate HD games/series and they could feel (rightly or wrongly) that making games/assets with Switch in mind would hold them back on the important systems.
frankie_baby
Member
I'd say 110k
What with the mentions of higher than expected sales, I'm going with 130k.
Not that I believe they will do that, but it's Capcom we're talking about, not a small indie studio. Amount of resources isn't a problem, especially in Monster Hunter's case.
You act like they would have to completely redo things for a Switch title.
frankie_baby
Member
There's also been mentions of lotteries for the bundle, could that suggest more bundles were shipped than those preordered?
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. There have been extra bundles made since the initial batch at the announcement, since last week and this week extra units are being sold.
Phife Dawg
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I still don't see the issue on Switch, this would all work. Downporting shouldnt be a big issue either, it's not as if MHW is the most ambitious title ever. If a Switch version is coming it only makes sense to have a portable version of MHW.
Yeah, no Switch version only makes sense if they expect to sell 3m+ in the west. Seeing that free DLC is already announced they seem to be following the same path as before, making money directly with the game sales and not heavy DLC sales and milking a smaller userbase.
Now Capcom these days seem to be all about shrinking their userbase but this time it comes with much higher dev costs and no manufacturer deal (or maybe there is a deal, depending on whether one believes in those rumors-I don't btw). Doesn't make a lot of sense but it is Capcom after all.
They apparently don't have the resources to release the PC version of World day and date.*shrugs*
How many AAA PS4-to-Switch ports are we seeing?
The gap between Switch and PS4 might be smaller than past Nintendo handhelds to consoles but it's still a big gap.
Do you know Capcom's expectations?
Not that it matters since almost always they miss them.
I'm assuming its going to be 300k+ greater than the 100k FW were looking at hitting lol
There is overconfident, and then there is bullish.
According to what, exactly? The game has serious performance problems on base PS4, but it's hardly unplayable, and the story isn't awful either (in my opinion at least). I've not seen data for regions outside of Japan, but at least domestically it's in the top 10 PS4 games sold and did better than either Zero or Kiwami. Perhaps also due to the other two also coming out on PS3 quite a bit ago, but still.
If we are assuming I'm assuming Capcom won't be satisfied with anything less that 2m of MHW for Japan.
True, I really wonder what they have filling up the bulk of the 10m SKU projection, we will know soon enough
We're already seeing a decent amount of PS4/Switch titles from Japanese publishers.
According to word of mouth of course. Some complains are about the story (You said story isn't awful in your opinion, so I guess you've heard some criticism yourself), some are just getting tired, same as Assassin's Creed.
There was a second round of preorders after the initial one and some stores also put them on lotteries.
It won't be a small number but not any extraordinary one. Completely speculated from myself but maybe Nintendo has shipped something close to 40-50k. That would be very high since they went with almost 100k new 2DS LL Dragon Quest bundles. Media Create could give the exact number.
None of them AAA/comparable in scope to Monster Hunter World and the vast majority of games PS4/Switch share are Vita games, or sequels to Vita games.
frankie_baby
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With the switch userbase growing and the end of year holidays I'm sure it will make it to the alleged expectations of 300k, prior to world being announced though i thought this was an easy million+ seller
Well, I've heard criticism about it in the sense that there are some Amazon reviews on Amazon JP talking about the combat system having been oversimplified, something I agree with in part, feels a bit limited even if what is there isn't bad.
However, outside of that, what I have seen outside of that criticism-wise is a bunch of trash on 4chan about how supposedly "OH SEGA REALLY PANDERED TO THE CHINESE".
If anything, I'd give Sega props for a. getting some people who actually speak Chinese and/or Korean for once (not that there have been zero, but it's been iffy in the past), and b. integrating it well into the story Kiryu's following. In terms of what does feel lacking about the story, to me, Akiyama feels out of place and Majima/Saejima/Daigo have basically no role in the main game.
However, Someya is a really enjoyable character, and as someone who knows his stuff outside of Yakuza, the guy who plays Nagumo (Miyasako Hiroyuki) is pretty fun too. He's from Kansai but does his best to sound like a podunk guy from Hiroshima, and has experience with acting prior to this. His performance goes a long way I think.
Bruno MB
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PREDICTION LEAGUE SEPTEMBER 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Aug 28 to Sep 24):
[PS4] New Everybody's Golf (25 days) -
[PS4] Destiny 2 (19 days) -
[PS4] Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (11 days) -
[3DS] Metroid: Samus Returns (10 days) -
[PS4] Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite (4 days) -
[NSW] Pokken Tournament DX (3 days) -
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Deadline: August 30 2017 09:00 am (EST)
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Rules:
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Aug 28 to Sep 24):
[PS4] New Everybody's Golf (25 days) -
[PS4] Destiny 2 (19 days) -
[PS4] Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (11 days) -
[3DS] Metroid: Samus Returns (10 days) -
[PS4] Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite (4 days) -
[NSW] Pokken Tournament DX (3 days) -
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Deadline: August 30 2017 09:00 am (EST)
Attention:
- Remember for some games it's not only the 1st week.
- Multiplatform entries are the combined available sales of each platform described.
Rules:
- Do not edit your post after the deadline. If you do, you'll be disqualified.
- The official monthly hardware sales will be the sum of weekly numbers for all versions of the system available from Famitsu.
- The official monthly software sales will be the latest total or the sum of the weekly numbers if the title is release before the period available from the Famitsu Top 30.
- The official monthly sales for multi-platform releases will be the combined available sales of each platform shown in the title entry.
- The official monthly sales for games with multiple versions will be the combined available sales of each version shown in the title entry.
- Any game missing in the Famitsu top 30 will be taken out of the predictions.
it may be that way for a while or even indefinitely, where the switch is basically 'what if the vita was successful', but it will get steady japanese support and it's ramping up in earnest.
Is it really? It depends whether you consider it to have bombed or not, but UC4 did about 165,000 in its first month, so maybe Lost Legacy can get around 150,000?
Even for Destiny 2, the first one did around 115k in the first month, and was held back by also being on PS3 (that version sold around another 91k in the first month).
I doubt season pass downloads are counted, so no way im hell imo.
Seriously doubt it'll happen even if season pass were counted.
Packed DLC will do 150k?
Even then there are many titles in there, not only Uncharted.
Shipments from Sega:
Yakuza Zero over 500,000 Japan + Asia (over 100,000 sold through Asia)
Yakuza Kiwami over 200,000 Asia
Yakuza 6 over 500,000 Japan + Asia
I seems like 6 probably undersold Kiwami in Asia given the Japanese take of those shipments.
I believe in Pokken potential there.^_^
Yeah that's what I really don't get- Switch support is clearly ramping up from Japan and we're not even to the likely September Direct. I don't know what we are even arguing about in this thread anymore.
Last MC numbers for Yakuza 6 were around 331,000, but let's say that the Japanese figures got up to 350,000. So if Asia numbers are somewhere in the ballpark of 150,000, that is less than Kiwami. Ordinarily I would think a remaster should do worse than a new game, but one thing to consider is, was Yakuza even a thing with a presence in Asia when it originally released? If not, perhaps consumers just viewed it as 'a sequel to Zero' rather than 'remake of Y1/RGG1', which would've supressed sales in other markets.
As to why 6 did worse (though by no means 'bad' by comparison), I mean, maybe just too many releases? I would think if the 6 had some kind of downright awful reputation it would have cost them more than 25% sales.
My point was simply about the fact that it may not be feasible to port MHW and/or its assets to Switch and going forward Capcom may not think it worthwhile to create assets that can be used on Switch.
The existence of other Switch/PS4 titles(that are clearly aiming at a lower technical benchmark) don't really have any bearing on that.
Ah, right, I forgot Season Pass holders also get a download for it. No idea then, but that's still not a 'bomb', just a game where the numbers don't bear out well for retail, new purchases.
I'm not a tech guy at all, but given the engine its running on and everything I've seen visually, I'd be extremely surprised if Capcom cannot reuse a lot of assets for a Switch game.
titiklabingapat
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The most baffling thing about the way Capcom treats MHXX is the lack of the western release. Do they expect the switch to do well in Japan or something and then crap in the West? When indicators shows that it is doing just as well if not better than Japan! Especially considering that it actually has real competition in the western market.
Indeed, some ips are actually doing better in the west than in Japan as well.
Indeed, some ips are actually doing better in the west than in Japan as well.