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[shinra-bansho]

I didn´t expect an increase. I´m just stating the fact that there has been a sharp decline compared to last year and that the new model wasn´t of any significant help.

Why would the new model be of any help. It's the same price as the old model. The only region where the new SKU is likely to help are the PAL territories, where a budget 12 GB SKU is now on the market.

A sharp decline was 2009 -> 2010.

It had 2 atrocius first years and a userbase of barely 8.5m. There actually is alot room to improve.

You don't expect an increase, yet you think there's room for improvement from the 54.1K this year compared to the 62.5K last year. So if they did 58K everything would be hunky dory?

Again, it's in its seventh year on the market.

 

[Laguna]

Are you actually surprised a system at its seventh holiday is seeing declines?

Why would the new model be of any help. It's the same price as the old model. The only region where the new SKU is likely to help are the PAL territories, where a budget 12 GB SKU is now on the market.
You don't expect an increase, yet you think there's room for improvement from the 54.1K this year compared to the 62.5K last year. So if they did 58K everything would be hunky dory?
Again, it's in its seventh year on the market.

Are you doing this on purpose? First it wasn´t its seventh but sixth holiday seasons, of which the first two were abysmal. Second it didn´t 62.5k but 67k last year and 76k the year before. With only 8.5m PS3 sold in Japan, there is alot of room to improve, the new PS3 model wasn´t of any help in Japan due to Sonys weak strategy and no appealing new releases in December, something that falls under Sonys responsibility.

 

[CassSept]

. And as for the launch lineup, Japan's may have been passable with MH3, but in America it was essentially just NintendoLand, SMBU, ZombiU, and a lot of multiplatform games. Had WiiU launched with Pikmin, maybe it would have been passable here as well.

You're new to console launches, aren't you?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Are you doing this on purpose? First it wasn´t its seventh but sixth holiday seasons, two of which were abysmal. Second it didn´t 62.5k but 67k last year and 76k the year before. With only 8.5m PS3 sold in Japan, there is alot of room to improve, the new PS3 model wasn´t of any help in Japan due to Sonys weak strategy and no appealing new releases in December, something that falls under Sonys responsibility.

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012. Hmm. How many holiday seasons does that make.

NB I'm comparing like-for-like Famitsu numbers. You're presumably referring to MC numbers.

As for the last part, you're just repeating the same thing over and over as if it's some sort of insightful analysis. We all know the new PS3 redesign was of no effect, nobody expects it have had an effect (except apparently you.) There are no more "system sellers" when a console gets this old ergo I'm not sure what you're expecting in terms of software, Yakuza 5 is a relatively big title.

What exactly did you expect it to sell? How much more than these "horrible numbers"?

 

[Aostia]

Very solid 3ds animal crossing new mario 2 and fantasy life numbers indeed.
Wii U isn't able to hold as the Wii did, but I think that this was predictable. It's not dropping like a rock and is still performing better than the last home console launched alongside the Wii (PS3) and better than the last console in general launched on the market (Vita).
Not doing great and probably not doing neither good but to me not doing bad. Land and Mario holding is a good signal for the incoming weeks. Of course, I'm not expecting Wii numbers, but 3DS pre-cut numbers (so higher numbers compared to PS3 and PSP) could be achievable.
Of course they'll need constant support (better than the one announced up to now) to keep the interest around the console, unlike the Wii (that was strong enough on its own)

 

[Busaiku]

There are no more "system sellers" when a console gets this old

Monster Hunter Freedom 3!

 

[Dalthien]

Why would the new model be of any help. It's the same price as the old model. The only region where the new SKU is likely to help are the PAL territories, where a budget 12 GB SKU is now on the market.

I didn't expect it to do much, but Sony certainly did. The PS3/PS2 numbers last FY were 13.9/4.1 for a total of 18M. Their forecast this FY is 16M. With PS2 production now stopped worldwide, and some regions had already stopped production earlier in the year - it is safe to assume that the PS2 was never going to sell anywhere close to 4M this year. Which means that Sony was expecting the PS3 to match (and maybe beat) its sales from last year.

Then, in their last quarterly report, they specifically mentioned that PS3 sales were down so far this year, and yet they maintained their FY forecast at 16M (knowing full well that the PS2 was basically done when they reaffirmed those numbers at that point).

So yeah - Sony was expecting the new model to provide a significant boost to the platform.

That's not to knock Sony in particular for the PS3 (the Vita is a story on an entirely different level). Nintendo will also miss forecasts this year, and I feel safe in saying that Microsoft would have missed forecasts this year as well if they bothered to give them. It's been a shitty year.

 

[Laguna]

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012. Hmm. How many holiday seasons does that make.

NB I'm comparing like-for-like Famitsu numbers.

As for the last part, you're just repeating the same thing over and over as if it's some sort of insightful analysis. We all know the new PS3 redesign was of no effect, nobody expects it have had an effect (except apparently you.) There are no more "system sellers" when a console gets this old ergo, I'm not sure what you're expecting in terms of software.

What exactly did you expect it to sell? How much more than these "horrible numbers"?

My bad I counted the six years the PS3 was in the market . Neitherless 8.5m just aren´the ceiling. There just wasn´t any appealing new release this December and it doesn´t even look like Sony even tried, the only thing they tried was a new PS3 model and they failed. Sony themselves established a new franchise late in PS2 lifecycle with God of War and Pokemon actually came 6-7 years after GameBoys release. But I´m not talking about new huge franchises, looking at the charts there just wasn´t any real appealing software at all released in December for PS3. That´s a huge fuckup on Sonys part.

 

[BishopLamont]

So no new thread until MC numbers? Or is everyone just too lazy?

 

[urfe]

I thought stylistically it's better to wait.

Can't label a Famitsu sales thread Media Create.

 

[Aostia]

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012. Hmm. How many holiday seasons does that make.

NB I'm comparing like-for-like Famitsu numbers. You're presumably referring to MC numbers.

As for the last part, you're just repeating the same thing over and over as if it's some sort of insightful analysis. We all know the new PS3 redesign was of no effect, nobody expects it have had an effect (except apparently you.) There are no more "system sellers" when a console gets this old ergo I'm not sure what you're expecting in terms of software, Yakuza 5 is a relatively big title.

What exactly did you expect it to sell? How much more than these "horrible numbers"?

To me is not doing bad. We should simply recognize that unlike someone posted before the holiday season (not you), PS3 is near saturation, unable to increase its YoY sales, and will not be able to spin its decline to top the Wii Japanese numbers, to me.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I didn't expect it to do much, but Sony certainly did. The PS3/PS2 numbers last FY were 13.9/4.1 for a total of 18M. Their forecast this FY is 16M. With PS2 production now stopped worldwide, and some regions had already stopped production earlier in the year - it is safe to assume that the PS2 was never going to sell anywhere close to 4M this year. Which means that Sony was expecting the PS3 to match (and maybe beat) its sales from last year.

Then, in their last quarterly report, they specifically mentioned that PS3 sales were down so far this year, and yet they maintained their FY forecast at 16M (knowing full well that the PS2 was basically done when they reaffirmed those numbers at that point).

So yeah - Sony was expecting the new model to provide a significant boost to the platform.

That's not to knock Sony in particular. Nintendo will also miss forecasts this year, and I feel safe in saying that Microsoft would have missed forecasts this year as well if they bothered to give them.

The missing piece of context is where they'd expect the redesigned model to boost sales. In Japan, where the new model is essentially an HDD size upgrade, or in Europe/PAL territories where a 12 GB model was available for very low prices over the holiday period. I'm not saying that there aren't expectations for the redesign, but that I don't think anyone should have heightened expectations in Japan (or the US) because of it.

That being said, they'll probably miss forecast anyway.

My bad I counted the six years the PS3 was in the market . Neitherless 8.5m just aren´the ceiling. There just wasn´t any appealing new release this December and it doesn´t even look like Sony even tried, the only thing they tried was a new PS3 model and they failed. Sony themselves established a new franchise late in PS2 lifecycle with God of War and Pokemon actually came 6-7 years after GameBoys release. But I´m not talking about new huge franchises, looking at the charts there just wasn´t any real appealing software at all released in December for PS3. That´s a huge fuckup on Sonys part.

8.5 isn't the ceiling. It will presumably sell another million or so this year, particularly if they release the 12GB model in the Japanese territory as well. If it's lucky it will hit 10M+. It won't catch the Wii which will probably sputter it's way to 13M eventually.

I edited into my post before: Yakuza 5 was presumably meant to be the PS3's tentpole release. But again, at this stage of a system's life people are buying them for their libraries and backcatalogues.

 

[Gradivus]

What can they do? Western pubs currently aren't giving a shit, I doubt they will want to price cut like 3ds again, and they are stuck with the hardware they have. They seem to be focussing on Japan so maybe they'll get software rolling there and be OK.

Well at least it has Dragon Quest 10 and Pikmin coming along in 2-3 months, 3DS at that point in time were just throwing out remakes of N64 titles. While its still a bit early to tell, I don't think they will need to do a price cut as quickly as they did with the 3DS.

 

[Laguna]

The missing piece of context is where they'd expect the redesigned model to boost sales. In Japan, where the new model is essentially an HDD size upgrade, or in Europe/PAL territories where a 12 GB model was available for very low prices over the holiday period. I'm not saying that there aren't expectations for the redesign, but that I don't think anyone should have heightened expectations in Japan (or the US) because of it.

That being said, they'll probably miss forecast anyway.
8.5 isn't the ceiling. It will presumably sell another million or so this year, particularly if they release the 12GB model in the Japanese territory as well. If it's lucky it will hit 10M+. It won't catch the Wii which will probably sputter it's way to 13M eventually.

I edited into my post before: Yakuza 5 was presumably meant to be the PS3's tentpole release. But again, at this stage of a system's life people are buying them for their libraries and backcatalogues.

The new model actualy was the only counter measure Sony did, they don´t release and advertise revisions just for fun. Quite sad I know. That´s the real problem. If they actually had a decent software lineup for 2012s holiday season they wouldn´t have had their worst week52 since probably 2007. We can´t even talk about saturation at this point with a small userbase of 8.5m units and no successor in sight. They just couldn´t deliver.

 

[slaughterking]

So no new thread until MC numbers? Or is everyone just too lazy?

There are only one or two people that have the formatting tools to create a thread.

 

[Striek]

Edit: Nvm.

 

[Boney]

Wii U gonna start free falling soon

 

[Bruno MB]

Taiko no Tatsujin on Wii:

[WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii (Namco Bandai Games) {2008.12.11} - 657.666
[WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii 2 (Namco Bandai Games) - {2009.11.19} - 418.284
[WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii 3 generations of party together! (Namco Bandai Games) {2010.12.02} - 270.672
[WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii: Definitive Edition! (Namco Bandai Games) - {2011.11.23} - 295.745
[WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition (Namco Bandai Games) - {2012.11.29} - 308.684

Paper Mario series:

[N64] Paper Mario (Nintendo) {2000.08.11} - 118.322 / 425.609
[GCN] Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door (Nintendo) {2004.07.22} - 137.750 / 398.218
[Wii] Super Paper Mario (Nintendo) {2007.04.19} - 156.055 / 505.491
[3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} - 130.009 / 391.078


3rd week:

[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine / Dark (Level 5) {2011.12.15} (¥5.800) - 46.755 / 278.807 (-48%)
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go 2: Chrono Stone - Neppuu / Raimei (Level 5) {2012.12.13} (¥5.500) - 47.397 / 314.390 (-51%)

 

[shinra-bansho]

The new model actualy was the only counter measure Sony did, they don´t release and advertise revisions just for fun. Quite sad I know. That´s the real problem. If they actually had a decent software lineup for 2012s holiday season they wouldn´t have had their worst week52 since probably 2007. We can´t even talk about saturation at this point with a small userbase of 8.5m units and no successor in sight. They just couldn´t deliver.

...

Between weeks 48 and 52 there was COD BLOPS II, 2nd Super Robot Wars and Yakuza 5 all selling over 200K, Fist of the North Star 2 selling over 150K, Hot Shots Golf selling over 100K.

What software exactly are you suggesting would have prevented this decline? And on that note, again what specific number exactly were you expecting for week 52 HW? 58K, 60K, 62K?

 

[BishopLamont]

Famitsu Sales: Week 53, 2012 (Dec 24 - Dec 30)

01./01. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 163.948 / 2.286.977
02./00. [3DS] Fantasy Life # <RPG> (Level-5) {2012.12.27} (¥5.800) - 134.008 / NEW
03./04. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 72.894 / 1.780.493
04./02. [PSP] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.20} (¥5.980) - 59.670 / 217.482
05./05. [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star <ADV> (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} (¥4.800) - 59.549 / 391.078
06./08. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 56.321 / 381.315
07./06. [PS3] Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.12.20} (¥8.190) - 51.496 / 168.009
08./07. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go 2: Chrono Stone - Neppuu / Raimei <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.12.13} (¥5.500) - 47.397 / 314.390
09./12. [WIU] Nintendo Land <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.935) - 40.570 / 214.374
10./09. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 33.725 / 308.684
11./14. [PS3] Yakuza 5 # <ADV> (Sega) {2012.12.06} (¥8.800) - 31.539 / 521.856
12./10. [3DS] Pokèmon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.11.23} (¥4.800) - 27.056 / 337.999
13./24. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 24.171 / 134.168
14./13. [3DS] Magician's Quest: Magical Town <ETC> (Konami) {2012.12.20} (¥4.980) - 241.09 / 64.254
15./11. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Dubbed Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.12.20} (¥7.980) - 23.998 / 83.285
16./00. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven 1/2/3 <RPG> (Level-5) {2012.12.27} (¥5.800) - 22.794 / NEW
17./15. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 20.546 / 351.523
18./03. [PSP] AKB1/149: Love Election # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.20} (¥7.329) - 20.174 / 166.835
19./29. [PS3] Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational # <SPT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2012.11.22} (¥4.980) - 19.438 / 198.455
20./21. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 17.541 / 352.023
21./26. [3DS] Professor Layton Vs. Ace Attorney <ADV> (Level 5) {2012.11.29} (¥5.980) - 17.440 / 232.168
22./23. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 17.211 / 1.904.933
23./17. [3DS] Style Savvy: Trendsetters <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.09.27} (¥4.800) - 17.088 / 253.897
24./20. [3DS] Toriko: Gourmet Monsters! <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.13} (¥5.800) - 16.280 / 79.028
25./16. [3DS] Kobito Zukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 15.818 / 212.678
26./28. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 15.183 / 1.780.620
27./00. [WIU] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.12.08} (¥4.800) - 14.494 / 166.908
28./22. [NDS] Pokèmon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800) - 12.551 / 2.879.027
29./19. [WII] Inazuma Eleven Go Strikers 2013 <SPT> (Level 5) {2012.12.20} (¥4.980) - 12.232 / 41.838
30./27. [WII] Mario Party 9 <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.04.26} (¥5.800) - 12.120 / 622.266

Top 30

3DS 17
PS3 4
WIU 3
WII 3
PSP 2
NDS 1

HARDWARE

3DS 266.790
WIU 76.760
PS3 54.107
PSP 34.145
PSV 18.022
WII 8094
360 2283

 

[Striek]

...

Between weeks 48 and 52 there was COD BLOPS II, 2nd Super Robot Wars and Yakuza 5 all selling over 200K, Fist of the North Star 2 selling over 150K, Hot Shots Golf selling over 100K.

What software exactly are you suggesting would have prevented this decline? And on that note, again what specific number exactly were you expecting for week 52 HW? 58K, 60K, 62K?

Another thing to note is the decline since the Super Slim launch to the end of the year is only 20k (4%) vs last year.

 

[BishopLamont]

PS3 is doing about it deserves to same as the PSV and WII U.

 

[Laguna]

...

Between weeks 48 and 52 there was COD BLOPS II, 2nd Super Robot Wars and Yakuza 5 all selling over 200K, Fist of the North Star 2 selling over 150K, Hot Shots Golf selling over 100K.

What software exactly are you suggesting would have prevented this decline? And on that note, again what specific number exactly were you expecting for week 52 HW? 58K, 60K, 62K?

That´s Sonys problem not mine. How about a new franchise for a change? Or actual effort from Sonys studios to appeal to Japan? That a PSV port (sequel), a western game (sequel), a sequel to a bad game, a niche game (sequel as well) and the fourth (counting Kenzan) Yakuza game on PS3 wouldn´t help alot was obvious beforehand, it´s just a boring lineup and PS3 sales proof it. I didn´t expect any specific numbers, I was just stating the fact that there was a sharp decline and their taken measures failed miserably.

 

[DSXBoy]

Wii U gonna start free falling soon

That should put Nintendo in Panic mode.

My message to Nintendo is:-

1. Reduce the price to £199 for premium/deluxe Wii U console

2. Pack in Wii remote plus/Wii U sports HD

3. Focus on what made Wii the No 1 console this generation.

4. Forget about winning back hardcore gamers, it's a lost cause. Just target casual gamers.

5. Speed up the Operating System/Menu

6. Release some other System Selling Games such as Super Smash brothers, Mario Kart and Zelda .

7. Keep it simple. don't be all things to all gamers!!!

The best Nintendo is the Nintendo in Panic Mode!!!

 

[DrWong]

That should put Nintendo in Panic mode.

My message to Nintendo is:-

1. Reduce the price to £199 for premium/deluxe Wii U console

2. Pack in Wii remote plus/Wii U sports HD

3. Focus on what made Wii the No 1 console this generation.

4. Forget about winning back hardcore gamers, it's a lost cause. Just target casual gamers.

5. Speed up the Operating System/Menu

6. Keep it simple. don't be all things to all gamers!!!

The best Nintendo is the Nintendo in Panic Mode!!!

Don't panic, it's ok.

 

[BishopLamont]

Nintendo won't drop the price, we're gonna have to wait at least a year for that.

 

[Bruno MB]

Since this is a Media Create thread Wii U's price is right.

What the poor machine desperately needs is software, software and more software.

 

[shinra-bansho]

That´s Sonys problem not mine. How about a new franchise for a change? Or actual effort from Sonys studios to appeal to Japan? That a PSV port (sequel), a western game (sequel), a sequel to a bad game, a niche game (sequel as well) and the fourth (counting Kenzan) Yakuza game on PS3 wouldn´t help alot was obvious beforehand, it´s just a boring lineup and PS3 sales proof it. I didn´t expect any specific numbers, I was just stating the fact that there was a sharp decline and their taken measures failed miserably.

The PS3 sales are proof that it's an aged platform. No amount of "effort" is going to change that. No amount of software "effort" was going to stem this massive 10K drop from last year. Ergo there is no point investing resources in doing so. The PS3 selling less in its 7th week 52 than its 6th week 52 isn't massive unexpected revelatory news of the day.

The Wii U numbers are the news of the day.

 

[BishopLamont]

The PS3 sales are proof that it's an aged platform. No amount of "effort" is going to change that. No amount of software "effort" was going to stem this massive 10K drop from last year. Ergo there is no point investing resources in doing so. The PS3 selling less in its 7th week 52 than its 6th week 52 isn't massive unexpected revelatory news of the day.

The Wii U numbers are the news of the day.

Whats so news of the day about the Wii U numbers? Its pretty much normal.

 

[mclem]

The concerning part being that Nintendo vowed they learned their lessons from the 3DS launch woes.

Learning a lesson and having a solution to it are two very different things.

 

[allan-bh]

Wii U number for week 2, 2013 will be the more important to see.

 

[May16]

Nintendo won't drop the price, we're gonna have to wait at least a year for that.

How long did it take the 3DS to drop?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Whats so news of the day about the Wii U numbers? Its pretty much normal.

They're in line with my expectations. But it's the new thing and how it's doing is much more interesting.

There's pretty much nothing to read into the PS3 numbers so far as I'm aware beyond it's a really old system now.

 

[AniHawk]

How long did it take the 3DS to drop?

about six months from the american launch.

nintendo usually waits about six months before they drop the price of their systems. i think the same timing fits the ds and the gamecube.

 

[liger05]

How long did it take the 3DS to drop?

I think nintendo had more room to do a price drop on the 3DS and I think Nintendo are always more likely to do something drastic with there handhelds than a home console. Handhelds are the priority.

 

[omonimo]

I didn't expect it to do much, but Sony certainly did. The PS3/PS2 numbers last FY were 13.9/4.1 for a total of 18M. Their forecast this FY is 16M. With PS2 production now stopped worldwide, and some regions had already stopped production earlier in the year - it is safe to assume that the PS2 was never going to sell anywhere close to 4M this year. Which means that Sony was expecting the PS3 to match (and maybe beat) its sales from last year.

Then, in their last quarterly report, they specifically mentioned that PS3 sales were down so far this year, and yet they maintained their FY forecast at 16M (knowing full well that the PS2 was basically done when they reaffirmed those numbers at that point).

So yeah - Sony was expecting the new model to provide a significant boost to the platform.

That's not to knock Sony in particular for the PS3 (the Vita is a story on an entirely different level). Nintendo will also miss forecasts this year, and I feel safe in saying that Microsoft would have missed forecasts this year as well if they bothered to give them. It's been a shitty year.

I think they just expected that ps3 still stay to a decent level to gain more money & no, I don't really think sony expected an interesting jump at the same price, there is no way would be happened, from when a new slim model cost the same to reach a wide audience? It seems a precise strategy to maximize the revenue but I agree that I have preferred a more aggressive lead to improve the userbase. At the end ps3 is gone even too much good looking to the wii number & considering the relation cost/dated system.

 

[Subaru]

Hey, how can I see TOP 10 PS3 games in 2012? (JP only)

 

[Laguna]

The PS3 sales are proof that it's an aged platform. No amount of "effort" is going to change that. No amount of software "effort" was going to stem this massive 10K drop from last year. Ergo there is no point investing resources in doing so. The PS3 selling less in its 7th week 52 than its 6th week 52 isn't massive unexpected revelatory news of the day.

The Wii U numbers are the news of the day.

I don´t agree for already stated reasons. The biggest ones are small userbase and very, very slow PS3 start into the generation, they basically lost their first 2 years. The biggest reason is the missing of appealing software this holiday season especially around "New Year" which was the biggest problem in my opinion. There just wasn´t any systemseller and on top of that it didn´t even look like they even tried. They were so lazy and just ported a PSV game and called it a day. It´s funny that Sega was the one that actually tried, it would have been even worse without them.

 

[Gianni Merryman]

Hey, how can I see TOP 10 PS3 games in 2012? (JP only)

Try Garaph http://garaph.info/softwaregroup.php?grid=S625

 

[Mpl90]

Toriko Battle Against Different Genres: Monster Hunting v.s. Monster RPG

[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival (Bandai Namco) - 16.143 / 105.558
[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival! 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.230) - 9.162 / 68.624
[3DS] Toriko: Gourmet Monsters! <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.13} (¥5.800) - 16.280 / 79.028

Moreover: 17/30 is the highest result ever for 3DS.

 

[Dalthien]

I think they just expected that ps3 still stay to a decent level to gain more money & no, I don't really think sony expected an interesting jump at the same price, there is no way would be happened, from when a new slim model cost the same to reach a wide audience? It seems a precise strategy to maximize the revenue but I agree that I have preferred a more aggressive lead to improve the userbase. At the end ps3 is gone even too much good looking to the wii number & considering the relation cost/dated system.

Just this past November they reaffirmed that they expect PS3+PS2 sales to be 16M this fiscal year. At the same time they came out and said that PS3 sales were down this year compared to last year, and they knew that PS2 sales were going to fall off of a cliff this year. So yes - rightly or wrongly, Sony expected the new model to make up for the shortfall that the PS3 had already accrued YOY, and bring the PS3 back in line with where it sold last year, despite the PS3 selling below last year's numbers through the first half of the year.

They have already reduced Vita/PSP forecasts twice this year, so if they didn't expect a boost from the new PS3 model, they would have reduced PS3/PS2 forecasts as well.

 

[omonimo]

Just this past November they reaffirmed that they expect PS3+PS2 sales to be 16M this fiscal year. At the same time they came out and said that PS3 sales were down this year compared to last year, and they knew that PS2 sales were going to fall off of a cliff this year. So yes - rightly or wrongly, Sony expected the new model to make up for the shortfall that the PS3 had already accrued YOY, and bring the PS3 back in line with where it sold last year, despite the PS3 selling below last year's numbers through the first half of the year.

They have already reduced Vita/PSP forecasts twice this year, so if they didn't expect a boost from the new PS3 model, they would have reduced PS3/PS2 forecasts as well.

? So they said expected ps3 goes down YOY, but after all for you, they expected ps3 will back in the line... the hell suppose to mean? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Could be is gone worst than expected but I don't think with a huge margin.

 

[AniHawk]

I think nintendo had more room to do a price drop on the 3DS and I think Nintendo are always more likely to do something drastic with there handhelds than a home console. Handhelds are the priority.

they were pretty aggressive with the gamecube.

launch: november 2001 ($199.99), september 2001 (24,800 yen)
first price drop: may 2002 ($149.99), may 2002 (19,800 yen) - 7 months after american launch, 9 months after japanese launch
second price drop: september 2003 ($99.99), september 2003 (14,000 yen) - 1 year, 10 months after american launch, 2 years after japanese launch

in japan they bundled the game boy player and a 251 block memory card with the system before it was two years old. in america, they bundled the zelda collection with the system when it was $99.99. before the system was three years old in america, they bundled metroid prime for $99.99.

they haven't really done anything quite so aggressive since then.

and christ, how depressing is it that we'll rarely see a company try anything like this again? the vita's hanging out with the dreamcast right now, but even sega had tried shit like dropping the price and partnering with microsoft for some deals at this point.

 

[omonimo]

they were pretty aggressive with the gamecube.

launch: november 2001 ($199.99), september 2001 (24,800 yen)
first price drop: may 2002 ($149.99), may 2002 (19,800 yen) - 7 months after american launch, 9 months after japanese launch
second price drop: september 2003 ($99.99), september 2003 (14,000 yen) - 1 year, 10 months after american launch, 2 years after japanese launch

in japan they bundled the game boy player and a 251 block memory card with the system before it was two years old. in america, they bundled the zelda collection with the system when it was $99.99. before the system was three years old in america, they bundled metroid prime for $99.99.

they haven't really done anything quite so aggressive since then.

and christ, how depressing is it that we'll rarely see a company try anything like this again? the vita's hanging out with the dreamcast right now, but even sega had tried shit like dropping the price and partnering with microsoft for some deals at this point.

& looks how it's ended.

 

[Bruno MB]

Hey, how can I see TOP 10 PS3 games in 2012? (JP only)

1. One Piece: Pirate Warriors (Namco Bandai Games) - 806.578
2. Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) - 804.222
3. Yakuza 5 (Sega) - 521.856
4. Dragon's Dogma (Capcom) - 464.934
5. Tales of Xillia 2 (Namco Bandai Games) - 394.782
6. World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 (Konami) - 363.499
7. Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City (Capcom) - 326.873
8. Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition (Square Enix) - 287.846
9. 2nd Super Robot Wars OG (Namco Bandai Games) - 245.228
10. Armored Core V (From Software) - 217.802

 

[GCX]

they were pretty aggressive with the gamecube.

launch: november 2001 ($199.99), september 2001 (24,800 yen)
first price drop: may 2002 ($149.99), may 2002 (19,800 yen) - 7 months after american launch, 9 months after japanese launch
second price drop: september 2003 ($99.99), september 2003 (14,000 yen) - 1 year, 10 months after american launch, 2 years after japanese launch

in japan they bundled the game boy player and a 251 block memory card with the system before it was two years old. in america, they bundled the zelda collection with the system when it was $99.99. before the system was three years old in america, they bundled metroid prime for $99.99.

they haven't really done anything quite so aggressive since then.

and christ, how depressing is it that we'll rarely see a company try anything like this again? the vita's hanging out with the dreamcast right now, but even sega had tried shit like dropping the price and partnering with microsoft for some deals at this point.

Nintendo actually did the first GameCube price cut in Europe before it had even released. That has to be some kind of record.

 

[Dalthien]

? So they said expected ps3 goes down YOY, but after all for you, they expected ps3 will back in the line... the hell suppose to mean? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Could be is gone worst than expected but I don't think with a huge margin.

You might want to go back and read through their last quarterly earnings report. They mentioned that the gaming division sales were down YOY, and blamed some of it on PS3 hardware being down from the previous year. We also know that the PS3 sold 13.9M units last FY, and they are projecting 16M PS3+PS2 this year. PS2 sold 4.1M last year, and they've been closing different production plants for the PS2 all year, and we now know they have stopped all PS2 production worldwide. So at most, PS2 might sell 2M this year, which would leave their PS3 forecast at 13.9M (likely worst case scenario for PS3 based on their forecast) - which would be the same as last year.

Sales for PS3 (and all systems really, except 3DS) have been lower throughout the 1st half of the fiscal year - so the new PS3 slim model was expected to not only boost the system to replace the sales which were lost during the first half of the year, but to also stop the decline of the system throughout the 2nd half of the year.

As I said before, I don't blame Sony for this. It has been a shitty year across the board for MS/Sony/Nintendo, and they are all falling short of what they expected at the start of the year. I was just pointing out that yes, Sony did expect the new model to not only stop the YOY declines in Q3+Q4, but to also make up the losses from Q1+Q2. I would call that a significant expectation.

 

[War Peaceman]

Nintendo actually did the first GameCube price cut in Europe before it had even released. That has to be some kind of record.

Xbox did something similar, no? In the UK at least I recall them offering games as compensation or something. Just a random memory, really.

 

[omonimo]

You might want to go back and read through their last quarterly earnings report. They mentioned that the gaming division sales were down YOY, and blamed some of it on PS3 hardware being down from the previous year. We also know that the PS3 sold 13.9M units last FY, and they are projecting 16M PS3+PS2 this year. PS2 sold 4.1M last year, and they've been closing different production plants for the PS2 all year, and we now know they have stopped all PS2 production worldwide. So at most, PS2 might sell 2M this year, which would leave their PS3 forecast at 13.9M (likely worst case scenario for PS3 based on their forecast) - which would be the same as last year.

Sales for PS3 (and all systems really, except 3DS) have been lower throughout the 1st half of the fiscal year - so the new PS3 slim model was expected to not only boost the system to replace the sales which were lost during the first half of the year, but to also stop the decline of the system throughout the 2nd half of the year.

As I said before, I don't blame Sony for this. It has been a shitty year across the board for MS/Sony/Nintendo, and they are all falling short of what they expected at the start of the year. I was just pointing out that yes, Sony did expect the new model to not only stop the YOY declines in Q3+Q4, but to also make up the losses from Q1+Q2. I would call that a significant expectation.

With all respect, it's more a your assumption. Honestly what sony has done until now, in my opinion, it' s addressed to maximize the revenues of the ps3 selling than to increase the fiscal YOY; if they though to increase the ps3 selling just releasing a new model with the same price, well, it's completely crazy to think & they have some big problem in its management. I think no one here would bet to a ps3 increasing in those conditions, I don't know in what world sony lives to think otherwise.

 

[Yoshi]

Xbox did something similar, no? In the UK at least I recall them offering games as compensation or something. Just a random memory, really.

It was a relatively short time after release that they had to cut the price (which really was insane, especially considering the US price) and they ofered 3 or so exclusive Xbox games as a compensation for launch buyers.