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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2012 (Dec 17 - Dec 23)

Dalthien

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With all respect, it's more a your assumption. Honestly what sony has done until now, in my opinion, it' s addressed to maximize the revenues of the ps3 selling than to increase the fiscal YOY; if they though to increase the ps3 selling just releasing a new model with the same price, well, it's completely crazy to think & they have some big problem in its management.
Well then what was supposed to increase PS3 sales YOY for Q3+Q4?

I'm using their own stated forecast, which was just reaffirmed 2 months ago. They knew they didn't have a price drop coming, and hardware sales had been declining YOY for the first half of the year. Why did they expect the sales pattern to reverse over the back half of the year if the new hardware model wasn't expected to play a role? That was the only significant change in the equation (because the software release schedule wasn't any better than the previous holiday season).
 

Striek

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With all respect, it's more a your assumption. Honestly what sony has done until now, in my opinion, it' s addressed to maximize the revenues of the ps3 selling than to increase the fiscal YOY; if they though to increase the ps3 selling with the same price just releasing the new model, well, it's completely crazy to think & they have some big problem in its management.
Its Sonys public forecast. To sell 9.7M PS3s+PS2s from Oct-Mar. Last year they did 9.9.


Maybe its his assumption that Sony expected the new PS3 model to do some work to keep interest up instead of [....], but its a reasonable assumption.
 

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I don't quite get the doomsay for Wii U here, isn't this particualr week normally a weak one for Nintendo and a comparatively strong one for Sony?
 

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1. One Piece: Pirate Warriors (Namco Bandai Games) - 806.578
2. Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) - 804.222
3. Yakuza 5 (Sega) - 521.856
4. Dragon's Dogma (Capcom) - 464.934
5. Tales of Xillia 2 (Namco Bandai Games) - 394.782
6. World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 (Konami) - 363.499
7. Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City (Capcom) - 326.873
8. Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition (Square Enix) - 287.846
9. 2nd Super Robot Wars OG (Namco Bandai Games) - 245.228
10. Armored Core V (From Software) - 217.802
Thank you very much!

So, the Wii U software sale isn't that bad...
 

omonimo

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Well then what was supposed to increase PS3 sales YOY for Q3+Q4?

I'm using their own stated forecast, which was just reaffirmed 2 months ago. They knew they didn't have a price drop coming, and hardware sales had been declining YOY for the first half of the year. Why did they expect the sales pattern to reverse over the back half of the year if the new hardware model wasn't expected to play a role? That was the only significant change in the equation (because the software release schedule wasn't any better than the previous holiday season).
How did you said, forecast not showed exactly that; sony is not in a good conditions to release pessimist forecast, looks how 'ambiguous' are their expectations. So, the better thing for them is to stay vague, are you surprise about that?
 

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Nintendo won't drop the price, we're gonna have to wait at least a year for that.
If they don't drop the price, the sales in the UK will be as bad as the Vita. No Gamers except Nintendo fans are buying Wii U consoles.
And I am sure in Japan its the same situation, despite Iwata's steady sales claim.
Retailers cannot afford to have slow selling stock occupying vital store shelf space.
 

Dalthien

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How did you said, forecast not showed exactly that; sony is not in a good conditions to release pessimist forecast, looks how 'ambiguous' are their expectations. So, the better thing for them is to stay vague, are you surprise about that?
It's not vague. The forecast is 16M. We know last year's numbers, and we know they've stopped PS2 production completely at this point. What are you failing to understand?
 

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Thank you very much!

So, the Wii U software sale isn't that bad...
If you go with this comparison yes, both NSMB U & Nintendo Land would chart in this top 10,but I'm not sure it would make sense, except to point the weak Sony's first party offer for Japan.
 

omonimo

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It's not vague. The forecast is 16M. We know last year's numbers, and we know they've stopped PS2 production completely at this point. What are you failing to understand?
They are talking of ps3+ps2, do you see it's not pretty clear what they want to predict? why they haven't released a clear ps3 prediction if they have stopped ps2 production?
 

shinra-bansho

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Why did they expect the sales pattern to reverse over the back half of the year if the new hardware model wasn't expected to play a role?
Presumably it was.

Just not in the territories in which its ASP didn't change or actually increaded (US, iirc).

The PS3 in the UK/Europe prior to the Super Slim was ~£199/€249. A PS3 (+game in UK) can now be bought for £149/€199. With even better deals during the Christmas period iirc from the PAL threads.
 

Sammy Samusu

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MH3U Wii U

16.773 > 14.494 (-13%)

LEGEND! Growing with the install base, I see you!


MH3U 3DS

24.846 > 24.171 (-2%)

PREACH! Plus many digital copies sold!
YAS
 

Dalthien

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They are talking of ps3+ps2, do you see it's not pretty clear what they want to predict?
It's pretty clear they started PS3+PS2 because it was blatantly obvious that they were trying to hide the Vita failure when they started combining PSV+PSP. So they then started combining both sets of systems to make it look like their new corporate policy so it wouldn't look like such a blatant obfuscation of the Vita performance.

But yeah, most of that 16M will be the PS3, because they've been shutting down the PS2 production facilities all year. And the PS3 sold 13.9M last year by itself. And the PS3 was down YOY the first 6 months of this year.

Add it all up, and we know that as of November they expected the PS3 to sell more (or at least equal) this year than last year, even though the PS3 was already behind last year's pace after 6 months.

The only significant new addition to the mix this holiday season was the new PS3 model - so unless you have another suggestion, it seems quite clear that Sony expected the new PS3 model to make the difference.
 

Dalthien

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. With even better deals during the Christmas period iirc from the PAL threads.
Yeah, but there are always some sweet deals in the holiday season. There were some pretty sweet deals on the PS3 (and all systems) here in North America last holiday season as well.

(Oops, double post)
 

Subaru

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If you go with this comparison yes, both NSMB U & Nintendo Land would chart in this top 10,but I'm not sure it would make sense, except to point the weak Sony's first party offer for Japan.
You're absolutely right. Still, we are comparing 3 weeks x a whole year and 700k vs 8500k
 

omonimo

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It's pretty clear they started PS3+PS2 because it was blatantly obvious that they were trying to hide the Vita failure when they started combining PSV+PSP. So they then started combining both sets of systems to make it look like their new corporate policy so it wouldn't look like such a blatant obfuscation of the Vita performance.

But yeah, most of that 16M will be the PS3, because they've been shutting down the PS2 production facilities all year. And the PS3 sold 13.9M last year by itself. And the PS3 was down YOY the first 6 months of this year.

Add it all up, and we know that they as of November they expected the PS3 to sell more (or at least equal) this year than last year, even though the PS3 was already behind last year's pace after 6 months.

The only significant new addition to the mix this holiday season was the new PS3 model - so unless you have another suggestion, it seems quite clear that Sony expected the new PS3 model to make the difference.
I don't want to repeat myself, you can read again my post below to understand what I think sony expected:
With all respect, it's more a your assumption. Honestly what sony has done until now, in my opinion, it' s addressed to maximize the revenues of the ps3 selling than to increase the fiscal YOY; if they though to increase the ps3 selling just releasing a new model with the same price, well, it's completely crazy to think & they have some big problem in its management. I think no one here would bet to a ps3 increasing in those conditions, I don't know in what world sony lives to think otherwise.
but it's my opinion, of course.
 

Dalthien

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I don't want to repeat myself, you can read again my post above to understand what I think sony expected.
As far as I can tell, you never did come out and say why you think Sony expects the PS3 to sell better in Q3+Q4 YOY if it's not because of the new model.

Why do you think they expected that?
 

omonimo

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As far as I can tell, you never did come out and say why you think Sony expects the PS3 to sell better in Q3+Q4 YOY if it's not because of the new model.

Why do you think they expected that?
Honestly I don't know. The only thing I can presume, they tried to release a more optimist forecast possible because they haven't too much choice.
 

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What can they do? Western pubs currently aren't giving a shit, I doubt they will want to price cut like 3ds again, and they are stuck with the hardware they have. They seem to be focussing on Japan so maybe they'll get software rolling there and be OK.
buy some financially weak companies maybe?
 

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I didn´t expect an increase. I´m just stating the fact that there has been a sharp decline compared to last year and that the new model wasn´t of any significant help.
I see, fair enough =) When you said "even with a new model", that "even" can easily be interpreted as more is expected, that is why i asked.


The Wii U is doing ok. It is following a normal pattern with holiday sales. If it stays flat or increases next week, that would be normal also.
Isnt next week the biggest selling week of the year?
 

mclem

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Nintendo actually did the first GameCube price cut in Europe before it had even released. That has to be some kind of record.
Well, Panasonic cut the price of the Jungle to free!

Unfortunately they also reduced the specs to nonexistent.
 

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How did this become about the PS3? Probably the least interesting numbers this month. I see nothing noteworthy in them. Old system sells less. Probably making Sony a bit more per system with the new design. That's the real reason for changing it.

And I don't want to give away too many spoilers, but next year it will sell less than this year.

Interesting numbers this month are WiiU, Vita and 3DS. And all for different reasons. Hope this weird PS3 tangent doesn't carry over to the New MC thread.
 

the androgyne

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Nintendo actually did the first GameCube price cut in Europe before it had even released. That has to be some kind of record.
They'd done that before as well, N64 was $250US almost until the eve of launch, falling to $199.
Look around nowadays and you can barely find any reference to the original launch price though!
 

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Yeah, Wii U is not to be expected to nosedive on 1st week 2013, still it is bound to drop in following weeks; even considering NSMU's legs, W101, Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, Wii U fit, Rayman and DQX cannot sustain sales at these levels for next 6 months.
Yep, it shall be interesting to see the upcoming sales :)
 

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Unless I missed some news (very possible). Tsutaya does not do game rental. And game rental in Japan is technically against the law. Or was it some special promotion?
Yes, which is the main reason why used games took off so early in Japan because they're basically an alternative to renting, with the high buy back prices that were established in reaction to the rental ban. But for DQX they made an exception, as urfe already said. You can also buy the game after some weeks of renting for a lower price than new, even if you add what you already paid for the rent.

Also, the offline mode can still be played even after returning the disc so I guess they're also trying to get more people to at least play the offline part. Maybe the original idea was that people who bought the game gave the offline part to their friends for free (there's a slime in a well telling players about what they're missing out on by not playing the online part, obviously meant as a sneaky way of promoting the full game).

Since this is a Media Create thread Wii U's price is right.
You must have missed this:

As for Wii U... The general level of excitement for the system is rather low. People DO want to play the new Mario and my students talk about that a lot. But that game alone is not enough. Or not enough at the price the system is selling for. If Nintendo does have some games they are holding back, they better reveal them soon before all momentum is gone. If they don't have any titles they are holding back, the problem is much deeper.
In other words, the Wii U price is inhibiting NSMBU's potential as a system seller.

What the poor machine desperately needs is software, software and more software.
Obviously. But it's been getting some pretty notable titles and very early at that. Mario and DQ can sell a console at the right price. Which they missed. Lesson not quite learned.

Of course, they should have made enough games instead. If that had been possible they wouldn't need NSMBU though. Asking for the impossible is not a viable solution. A lower price on the other hand would help and would pave the way for more software releases later.